User talk:Moondyne/Archive 7

Maybe
Talk:Launceston Church Grammar School - issues arising from this and the checking of details around australia might be something... SatuSuro 12:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

ACP Archiving
Sorry man, there is a mis-understanding here. Correct i did "blank" the page, but i actually archived it to archive 2. to find it, go to artice information > peer-review > and then click on "archive 2 - here". Im working on what theyve done, im going to gradually use what theyve said - over the next 4 or so weeks to make the article better. I dont see what im doing wrong - no-one was adding to it in a long time. so i closed it. then i archived it in the peer-review section of the article information which seems plain logical and yea. Smbarnzy 03:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Correction, due to the new template that theyre rolling into the talk pages, it is now in article milestones, but if you check the history, you will see what i have done above, and that i havent done anything wrong. If i have, i dont know about it, so tell me what im doing wrong Smbarnzy 03:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Question on uploading pictures
I have a picture here of Percy Umfreville Henn (copyright expired) and it's on paper. I want to edit it a bit (e.g. slice off the caption and Library barcode) and then upload it to the Commons (if that's the right place). Can you tell me how I can do all this? I'm unsure how to edit it and scan it to the JPEG format. Thanks, Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 09:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Problem User
Hey, im at a loss as to what to do with a problem user: User:Thewinchester - he has remved the JSHAA and PSA templates from the Aquinas College page, which i reverted. He has now been on the JSHAA page and has removed a link to an article which is up for AfD entitled (List of Western Australian JSHAA Member Schools) and placed a link to the category for it, the article hadnt been deleted (nor is it currently deleted). SMBarnZy 12:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for stepping in, saved me alot of pain =P I would give you a bite of my CALIPPO if i knew you =) thanks again, you would have to be one of the best admins on wiki, thanks a million SMBarnZy 12:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

JSHAA Edits
I'm not going to take sides on the issue and play the usual game i've seen on WP. Simply put, it appears that Smbarnzy is making a patent misrepresentation of the actual edits. The issue in question is the removal of a redundant category Category JSHAA that has been adequately replaced and restructured for common sense. He has also demonstrating traits to the point of breaching WP:OWN, particularly by his own admission and diatribe [here. These changes have not been performed lightly, and were done so after being briefed at 2am on Sunday morning about serious issues going on with another young user. I have been working through the lists of changes made by this others and as a result making multiple clean-ups, *fD's where necessary, and other such appropriate changes in a manner consistent with stated WP policy, MOS, etc. I'm not going to disagree with your comments, i'm simply suggesting that you may not have taken all appropriate information into consideration when taking your position, something which commonly happens here on WP and I myself have been guilty of. I've got much better things to do than hold any grudges or shoot off in this space because it's about delivering quality well structured information. [[User:Thewinchester|thewinchester]] 12:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You have new messages
Is this your way of turning off the orange bar of death? Hesperian 01:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See? Told ya. Hesperian 01:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. So I guess when you moved your user page, you unintentionally moved the talk page too. Welcome to the austere user page brigade. Hesperian 01:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. your user page image is under assault at Commons. Hesperian 01:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hope I didn't overdo the copyedit. Gotta go, back tonight. Hesperian 06:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Boneablaze
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 * Done - apologies for delays :) Orderinchaos78 08:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * is it OK to put a short statement with my support? I'm thinking of something like "Orderinchaos78 has helped me a lot in my development as a Wikipedian, in particular with referencing and Wikiquette, and is very patient with newbies and participates in the Adopt A User program." DanielT5 08:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * eek :| I just got nominated for adminship, what do I do?? (I can see it now ... what articles are you proud of... "um, I fixed the Dean Geyer article"... :D DanielT5 08:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Daniel's RfA

 * A joke? DanielT5 has helped me immensley (just a little less of what I'd want from an admin). In no way am I playing a game! I'm really 'trying to turn my life around', if you know what I mean. I think I was rather disruptive before, but now I'm trying to 'contribute positively'. Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 08:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Moondyne, would you suggest that I just edit modestly without doing maintenance tasks (e.g. just creating and expanding articles such as Percy Henn)? I am really trying to do this thing right! I won't do maintenance until I've taken an article to FA or maybe GA. Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 09:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest some policies? I'll print them out and highlight key points (as I've done with Article development and What is a good article?). Moondyne, I'm really serious about what I've done over the past couple of days. It's positive, and it's a contribution! I'd appreciate it if you could rate Percy Henn as a member of WP:WA. Thank you, Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 09:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. See you later. Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 09:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Rebecca 09:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 'I' replied on my talk page btw :) DanielT5 12:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it's got nothing to do with me really... He and I seem to have resolved our difficulties. I think you guys will sort him out and get him on the right track (eventually) :) DanielT5 13:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah, never
Usepage question Answered SatuSuro 02:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC) A1 - yeah hope the naivete is only that SatuSuro 07:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Did i do the right thing with geraldton - please let me know, ta SatuSuro 09:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Point Taken
Msg to Hesp and Moondyne: You guys are prob right - 3 arguments in 4 months isnt crash hot. I have taken your advice on board about the 3 things Moondyne. Im going to stop being so passionate, i think thats where i get into trouble? Thanks for the notification SMBarnZy 07:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas
Blanked page? Sorry, please clarify what you mean, as I haven't blanked a page for about a year. I didn't log off from Wikipedia once at school - but their IP has been blocked - so that shouldn't be a worry. Seriously, I don't get it.Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 10:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you are talking about. AFAIK I haven't accused you of blanking. &mdash;Moondyne 11:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I may have misread my user talk page - it's missing there now. Sorry about that. Auroranorth (WikiDesk) 11:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Bother
I was going along nicely completing transfers from Dryandra to Banksia. Hoped to finish the remaining 15 done tonight, but got only seven done before other imperatives crowded in. I should have made the blocks 25 hours, with the extra hour symbolically representing the hour of good article editing time I've lost in dealing with it. :-( Hesperian 12:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Voting
You forgot to vote! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Peel county
Links to ontario! SatuSuro 03:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Victoria Avenue, Perth
I was wondering if it would be encylopedic for me to create an article on Victoria Avenue in Perth? I thought it might make a good wikilink in the Aquinas College article, which could also have a little bit of information on CBC Perth in there? what are your thoughts? SMBarnZy 05:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible New articles
I was looking at making some articles on the following subjects, i was just wondering whether you thought they would meet criteria for an article. SMBarnZy 06:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Western Australian Gold Rush
 * Point Heathcote
 * Clune Park - here
 * Ok, ill start work on Point Heathcote on Sunday probs, and then try to expand the Riverton article to inlude Clune park for a wikilink from the AC article, many thanks SMBarnZy 07:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

"Inappropriate" Links
Are you the Moondyne who left me a note telling me to stop adding "inappropriate" links to Wiki? The moderator, Dirk Beetstra, said it's okay to add links to the text, especially when they are relevant to the subject. The links I have added were not spam, were not aimed at increasing search engine ratings, are not commercial and are completely relevant to the subject of the article. What's wrong with them? I'm not trying to have a fight with you, but I need to know about all this. Beetstra said it's ok to put links in the text, so what's the problem? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neilrobertpaton (talk • contribs) 08:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

counties
Thanks for the nomination! Id never even heard of these till I stumbled across an old map at the National Library and it really interested me since then --Astrokey 44 08:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Point Heathcote
I dont know where to take this stub from its current position, information is hard to find. Any ideas? SMBarnZy 15:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I can tell you it was named after George Heathcote, midshipman on board the HMS Success under Captain (later Admiral Sir) James Stirling, and a member of the Swan River expedition of 1827. He gets a passing mention at Peter Belches. Hesperian 04:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

New articles
What do you think of these ideas:
 * Mount Henry Road
 * Old Aquinians Hockey Club (was speedied for c-right vio) SMBarnZy 14:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have a separate article on Aquinas College Perth Alumni due to the list becoming quite large? Where is the point at which there are too many alumni for the main article? SMBarnZy 14:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

City of South Perth
Ive made a template here - User:Smbarnzy/Sandbox for schools in the City of South Perth, do you think it is notable? i was planning to make articles on the ~10 schools that dont have articles in that template. SMBarnZy 02:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks alot for all the advice, im going to try to avoid asking you about creating articles ever again (lets hope i can), im gonna study these guidelines over the next week etc and try to work it out, i guess my work will be the examples. thanks for the tips and hints, owe you loads. SMBarnZy 08:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Images and lists
Hi Moondyne,

Two unrelated questions on slightly related topics;
 * 1) Can I get some advice on stripping the copyright off Image:Archbishop Riley.jpg? I didnt notice it when I uploaded the image to commons. Thanks. - Fred (talk)
 * 2) Can a list be a "non-article? I had assumed that article and talk space were separate, er ... spaces (pages?). It is a useful page, but I am concerned about the recents changes and fail to see the improvements. Perhaps I seeing this wrong. Regards - Fred (talk) 12:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)  That is as I thought. I will wait and see what happens with it. Ta. Regards. - Fred (talk) 13:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The editor may have paused for thought, I raised a few questions on the talk page. You answered the question I asked there. Thanks. - Fred (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ta. Its ok quality. Regards, - Fred (talk) 08:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter
(thanks for the cleanup - hey you had the links...) The thing is that Murray was his link at ecu (another old mate ex aunty) maybe i need to do something on murray - he is a vital piecce of wa radio historytmixed up with the writers scene...SatuSuro 14:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it was Peter Holland abc man. Also I thought his wife was more the writer than him - as i thought they co-edited things together... just my hunch SatuSuro 14:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologies i could see at that late hour you were wanting facts and nothing but the facts man. SatuSuro 22:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ken Spillman about to go on - would appreciate a once over SatuSuro 00:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The doustian stubb -ness (as opposed to start)- was on the assumption that there wasnt either a photo or anything about him by somebody else in the art - feel the same about ken - only once either a pd photo or a review of him or his works would i venture that road, am i wrong? SatuSuro 00:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In the chaos of monday morning -i missed your message - my apologies - yes i think i have a year of birth for both - as for full names or date of birth - another matter - maybe. SatuSuro 05:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

PH 1944 no other names so far, JD not yet SatuSuro 05:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox
Bugger. That was a last minute post before logging off. I'm not entirely sure I still have the data in excel format. Might have to start again. :-( Hesperian 00:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good on ya mate. How did you do that? I suppose it's something simple like days since Jan 1 1970 or something? Hesperian 01:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good - didnt they number them or name them from quite some time ago? SatuSuro 01:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Aren't you clever! I didn't know about that translation tool. I've been doing it with formulae:
 * ="| "&A1&" || "&B1&" || "&C1
 * Hesperian 01:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll do it manually. There's plenty still to be done. For some reason the EMA database lists Alby under "South-Western: Cyclone" as if it is unnamed; I'm going to have to check each entry manually to see if a name is given. Hesperian 01:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas College, Perth
I don't know what the situation is with this article. The following comment is included in the recent history on the discussion page:

01:11, 11 March 2007 Thewinchester (Talk | contribs) (←Undid revision 114090181 by Phoenix2 (talk) No community consensus on awarding GA, no discussion link to GA discussion)

As far as I could establish the edits to promote the article to GA status were made by the article's authors and not by the assessor. The article is also missing the usual good article box with a link to the version of the article which was assessed. It is part of two different Wiki Projects (schools and Australia) and will presumably have to be assessed separately by both projects. Perhaps you should take the matter up with user Thewinchester as it is was his/her comments which led me to believe that the article had not followed the due process. The article is also listed on the Wikiprojects schools page as a good article nominee and it is included in the current list of "collaborations of the week" which is surely unnecessary if it is a good article. Dahliarose 09:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It does look as though the promotion to Good Article status is legitimate after all. The authors' self-promoting tactics seem to have caused the confusion. Only about a week ago the article was assessed as B within the school project but the authors tried to change it to an A, which is why I was suspicious in the first place. Assessments within projects are done separately but I don't know what the procedure is for good articles. I've posted a message on Thewinchester's talk page asking for clarification. In the meantime the authors have now reverted to the GA status. Dahliarose 12:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I realised which two editors were involved and I know that Thewinchester wasn't one of them. He told me that he'd spent most of the weekend clearing up their messes. I shall keep an eye on them on the schools page. At least now I am forewarned! Dahliarose 09:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK
moved to User talk:Astrokey44 &mdash;Moondyne 00:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

bikeshed
Thought you might enjoy this: http://xarg.net/blog/one-entry?entry_id=20005. Hesperian 23:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * or the local version Color of the bikeshed though its been encyclopediasized Gnangarra 00:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Reading those made my day thank you everybody! SatuSuro 01:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Its so close to reality its scary. &mdash;Moondyne 02:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Duck rock
That will cost you a gmail :0 SatuSuro 07:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * for starters the marine maps on this page - might have it - will do a more thorough check when i am back :)  http://www.rottnestisland.com/en/useful+information/maps.htm  SatuSuro 07:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Never - i need maginfying glas technique for cd covers... and Im older than you... :) SatuSuro 09:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Improvementization
That would be one of the areas for improvement. They are left over from an early draft. I will get on to that. Or were you offering? - Fred (talk) 08:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Smile


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TT cricket
Do you have a reference for your name change? Guettarda 13:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, we are called Trinidadians or Tobagonians (depending on where your from). "Trinidadian and Tobagonian" is rarely used - it's clunky. Trinidad and Tobago is often used in an adjectival or semi-adjectival form - "Trinidad and Tobago Cricket team", "Trinidad and Tobago cricketer" is the form I have almost always come across. Guettarda 13:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Worth it?
What's your take on this? Maybe my AGF tank is running low, but I think it needs to be challenged. Hesperian 12:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC) You both have an unhelpful email about it SatuSuro 12:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * from me too Gnangarra 13:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Aurora
Word. I was actually curious about that anyway, in general. As for Aurora, I tried to help the kid, really. I just don't get it. Whatever. IvoShandor 12:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Schools Portal
My explanation for it, was that it hadnt been changed in months (the portal), so i decided to take it upon myself (being bold) and decided that it needed a change. I added a GA to the portal, aswell as an image which i felt was good (similar to the previous Scotch one they had). I did actually notice that Harro5 is the person who looks after it, and at the time of the change, i checked his contributions log, and he hasnt been active since like January 20 (approx) 07, and as the maintainer, that is a long time, and the article is meant to be changed every month, so i thought why not add one of the newest GA's on schools to the portal to show it off to the community, it may not have been by the book, but i felt that it was the right thing to do in the interests of the community and the schools portal. SMBarnZy 13:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You are prob right, shuda done it yesterday, oh well. I actually didnt think he would be back. How do people actually become like the monitor of things like the schools portal? coz i want to monitor the schools portal (or something like that) SMBarnZy 13:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No 64 Tram
I'm sure that this same tram was sold to the Mandurah Holiday Park where I stayed the weekend in this very same tram, sharing it with a truck load of mozzies to boot! petedavo 13:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Aurora
Hey, i was wondering whats happening with Aurora - is he permanently blocked or whats going on there? SMBarnZy 07:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Aussies?
From your references to Perth, I gather you're an Aussie. Correct? I come from Sin City (Sydney). Neilrobertpaton 09:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neilrobertpaton (talk • contribs) 09:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Auroranorth
Hi

I've found that you were the one who blocked Auroranorth - can you inform me on this? I go to school with aurora and he won't give! Seriously, I thought keeping secrets was year 7 stuff. And what's this with 'What was that? 2'??? And that long text on the blocking policy? I don't get it. For now, I'm relaying messages from Wiki to Aurora and vice-versa. I created an account here to sort of take over from Auroranorth as Wikipedia's resident GGS student - we need one! Anyway, is there some sort of secret that I don't know about? He's a sensitive fellow, Moh.

Seventy ... dot ... 13:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And this?
Is this image fair game? Gossypium australe - Fred 15:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think this was my concern.

This image is a faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art and thus not copyrightable in itself in the U.S. as per Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.; the same is also true in many other countries, including Germany. The original two-dimensional work shown in this image is free content because: Now added to stub. Gossypium australe Cheers, Fred 15:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ta. I found a cropping tool and can start 'harvesting' PD to commons. Fred 23:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

World Cup
Are you across last night's results? - Bangladesh beat India and Ireland beat Pakistan! Pakistan can no longer make the next round. Good for world cricket, and makes the cup interesting. Come on Holland! (Not). Hesperian 04:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No mate. I reckon I've got a bit of everything in me - Aussie, English, Irish, Scottish, Chinese, Nyoongar - yup, I'm a real mongrel. But I'm not aware of any Dutch.
 * That link points to a page that I would guess says "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name" in Dutch... but I guess you already knew that.
 * Hesperian 04:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, back on your head. this would probably make a better piece of evidence. Hesperian 04:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Email (kind of a call for help :|) Orderinchaos78 08:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Laughing my head off
Because Auroranorth is back with a new sockpuppet. You'll know it by the elaborate manufactured stream of consciousness writing in the edit summaries and user space edits, that takes every possible opportunity to show us all the mental processes of a newby discovering Wikipedia for the first time. I especially liked the "are bullet points * like in Word?" soliloquy just prior to using the markup for the first time. Hesperian 11:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Now confirmed and blocked. When Auroranorth tried to log into his BigMacintosh sockpuppet this morning, he discovered that his dynamic IP had switched back to an auto-blocked one. He signed his own confession with an unblock-auto tag. :-) Hesperian 00:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The question arises
Should archived talk pages have that clean look for too long? Nah, never SatuSuro 02:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Answering a question and answer re catholic officials from a few months ago now - It would appear that I have a hard copy of The Official Directory of the Catholic Chrch in Australia 2006-2007 - I was dissapointed about its lack of historical dimension - close to 640 pages and a v good index - apparently all the same might all be on www.catholicdirectory.com.au - havent compared the two yet - SatuSuro 02:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Funny that - I was going to mention that to you - but thought nah. Having the hard copy - I dont know the advantage of that versus the online variety... SatuSuro 03:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * btw looks best for your todo :) SatuSuro 03:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh if youve already seen it - I realise its not really comprehesnive on second looks. This will inspire a cleanup of the old list of features of rot article hanging around... SatuSuro 03:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hahah looks like some sockpuppets turning up to the adelaide meeting :) SatuSuro 03:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

sprotected
Sorry for the misunderstanding regarding the sprotected tag, I thought (don't know how!) the distinction between protected and sprotected was on the type of user allowed to apply them with protected being reserved for admins. I now realise the mistake and understand the process, thanks for your patience. --Deon Steyn 10:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Salter Point Campus
Thanks for the info and advice. Might try to avoid new pages (daughter) to Aquinas all together from now - prob smart move. Im waaaayy too like Aquinian :) many thanks SMBarnZy 11:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
hey thank you :) I really do appreciate that. Don't know if you know but I'm doing research for all the WA elections, I've got a lever arch file and am photocopying anything I can find at the uni and the Battye. I do want to get the wheatbelt stuff up first though, the only problem is going to be photographs... I don't own a camera and I can only really get photos of one of the towns :/ DanielT5 14:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi could you give me some tips on being a "Link Spam Fighter" here on Wikipedia? As it seems all external links are bad and we should just link to DMOZ is that correct? Omegacommand 21:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Butting in
User talk:Hesperian/Sandbox Hesperian 05:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Do as you will with it. I've gotta go. Hesperian 06:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Ducking in
Thanks got it SatuSuro 06:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Image
Hi there! I notice that you deleted on grounds that it existed on commons. However, doesn't exist. Or is it somewhere else?  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  08:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Australia/To-do/Australian Dictionary of Biography
Hi Moondyne, thanks for your edits to this project page. I see however you have updated some of the stats to 100% complete even though some of the articles are still in stub status and/or don't have a Dictionary of Australia Biography reference. My understanding is that a person's article is "complete" and therefore counted if it was rated "good", meaning that the text from D.A.B. was included as well as a reference to it; do you agree?. (This appears to have been the case with previous edits made to the project page before I got involved.) — Diverman 05:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again, I saw your recent edits to the project page, where you added links to the A.D.B. (http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/adbonline.htm which is not public domain) for redlinks. Ummm, that should have really been to the D.A.B (the public domain one). e.g. for Herbert Basedow, it should be http://www.gutenberg.net.au/dictbiog/0-dict-biogBa.html#basedow1 The project page says This list is taken from the public domain Dictionary of Australian Biography, courtesy of Project Gutenberg Australia.   It's confusing because the the full name of the project ends with Australian Dictionary of Biography and the shortcut is WP:ADB (because otherwise it would conflict with WP:DAB, the disambiguation project. – Diverman 11:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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Huh?
Did you notice that Sleeping With Ghosts copied Smbarnzy's entire talk archive? I've dropped a message at Smbarnzy's talk page over it.

And now we have The Bitter End on the scene too.

Something doesn't smell right. I have a theory but....

Hesperian 10:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, we could just have an entire bunch of mad keen Aquinians who get straight to work from their first edit on a particularly narrow set of articles. Orderinchaos78 16:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

What tne hell is wrong with you?
Look what I said was perfectly valid, if its trolling prove it before removing posts! Why was it racist? 123.255.55.221 05:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I never used the word racist, you did. Nevertheless, if this is not a racist comment I don't know what is.  &mdash;Moondyne 05:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, someone comented with "removed racist remark" and you just said its trolling, how exactly is it trolling, esp considering with the news coming out now i might actually be right?? 123.255.54.203 15:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * User:123.255.54.203/.55.221 The talk page of articles are for the improvement of the article not for speculation. Additionally the language you use in the speculation was racist, your wording appeared to written such that it would draw editors into an arguement which is trolling. I'm actaully suprised that your comments were tollerated to point that you were not blocked from editing. Gnangarra 15:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Gnangarra
It would appear from the above item that you and he are mates. Then you will understand that BlackJack and I are friends and colleagues (in the real world as well as on here) and that I am defending his position just as you are defending that of your friend.

The consensus in the original discussion about the Australian season articles was clearly that the articles should be removed and left as red links on the relevant template until such time (without limit) as someone could add meaningful information to them. This was the point made by Stephen Turner and it encapsulated the consensus of that discussion.

BlackJack agreed with Stephen and decided on returning to the site that he would add the extra information needed to provide meaningful information to the readers. Acting in good faith as always. Your friend on being told that the articels had been recreated performed a knee-jerk reaction and deleted them before giving Jack a chance to explain what he was doing and without informing the cricket project who should have had the final decision about whether Jack has complied with their consensus. It is clear to anyone with any intelligence at all, looking at the articles restored by ALoan, that Jack has complied with the consensus of the previous discussion, especially as he says the articles about the later seasons contain much more information (e.g., more matches, English tours).

I think it is you who has talked about Jack's integrity and credibility on the cricket project page. I think someone who has introduced as much new material as he has, has almost singlehandedly redefined two Wikiprojects as he has, all the time encouraging other editors to contribute, does not need to defend his integrity or his credibility. I don't know what sort of contributions you have made but I doubt if either you or your pal can claim to have done as much for the site as Jack.

On the other hand, your pal has defied the consensus reached in that discussion. Someone acted in good faith to improve those articles and he has attempted to suppress them without informing the cricket project. As I said on his page, he is out of order and should be brought to account.

Unless of course he has the decency and courtesy to restore the articles and ask the cricket project to review them. If he does that and makes a suitable apology to the cricket project, I will withdraw my comments.

Note that I do not ask him to apologise to or even communicate with BlackJack because I do not think Jack should have reacted as he did, althoigh I fully understand his frustration and I agree with him that Wikipedia needs to completely overhaul its administration structure and prevent abuses of admin power such as we have seen in this case.

If that isn't good enough for the two of you then it is you have problems with credibility and integrity. --GeorgeWilliams 06:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Since WikiProject Cricket doesnt WP:OWN these articles, consensus had already been reached at Articles for deletion/1850-51 Australian cricket season there is no reason to discuss anything with them. Instead you resorted to personal attacks on the project page, my talk page and imply them here. I have nothing to apologise for, I have no further reason to continue any discussions while I'm being referred to as some kind of Orwellian Little Hitler by yourself on the porject talk page. Gnangarra 07:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Quote by Moondyne: Gnangarra deleted the articles per community consensus and in his closing comment said "please contact me to have any erroneously listed articles restored". Yes he did close the deletion of the articles following the original discussion as per consensus and he did say the words at the end of your quote.
 * But, there were no erroneously listed articles. It has been established that the articles should have been deleted as they were then.  But the actual consensus was that the redlinks should remain on the template pending development of the articles to an acceptable level.  The "new" articles were therefore re-created, not restored, and so they should have been treated in the same way as any other new articles. They should have been left to the cricket project to decide if they are acceptable.  Indeed, the cricket project appears to have formed a new consensus that the information provided should be restored but that some of the articles should be combined. No one is saying the information should be deleted.
 * I still contend that Gnangarra was out of order in summarily deleting these articles without asking the author in advance about his intentions and without informing the cricket project of the situation and registering his concern with them. You can hide behind as many of these ludicrous red tape procedures as you like but it still comes down to common courtesy and you have shown a total lack of that by performing what amounts to a knee jerk reaction. You should restore the articles and allow the cricket project to merge them as they evidently wish to. --GeorgeWilliams 20:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Peace and quiet
I have had three or four days now of blissful peace and quiet. There have been a few distractions, but I only have myself to blame for them. I have actually had a chance to work on some articles! If this continues I may well be sane again by the end of the weekend ;-) As far as I'm concerned, our decision to take a hard line has been utterly vindicated. Hesperian 12:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

New Username
Hey, this is Smbarnzy here! this is just a quick message to inform you of my change of username, i have decided (due to unforseen circumstances) to change accounts rather than usurp. All the best Twenty Years 06:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Enjoy your break
Enjoy your break, Gnangarra 06:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Enjoy
Have a nice break. IvoShandor 06:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Brian Booth
I removed some some of the specifics of hockey in the 1956 Olympics because it seems that he did not play in any match. The official report at http://www.aafla.org/6oic/OfficialReports/1956/OR1956.pdf has the lineups for all the matches and he doesn't appear in any of them (it is a 33 MB file). He also doesn't appear in the list of 14 given in David Wallechinsky's Complete Book of the Summer Olmpics (I checked the 1996 edition). Tintin 13:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Cricket in Australia
Hi. Cricket in Australia is the new Australian collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 13:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd appreciate any hints, oh cricket supremo moondyne - all ive done so far is the see also list and some real book refs (gee the cricket project looks book challenged) and oz tagged a lot of oz categories that dont have themSatuSuro 05:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Jack Iverson
Hello Moondyne. The pictures at his cricinfo profile were taken pre 1955 in AUstralia so they should be PD, but cricinfo has tagged themselves as owning it. Is it possible that they have purchsed the rights to it? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't matter providing they are pre 55 as the changes to copyright laws weren't retrospective. but cricinfo can charge for for providing higher quality/resolution, Gnangarra 03:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You will need to show the source and the specific PD licensing according to Australian legislation, I'll dig it up if you want Gnangarra 03:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, once something is in the public domain, we all own the rights to it. I don't recall cricinfo paying me any money to give up my non-exclusive right to use the image.
 * Seriously, there is a serious and ongoing problem with libraries, archives, etc, placing false copyright tags on images. I approached the State Library of Western Australia about this a couple of years ago, and they agreed that their copyright tags were generally false, but declined to change their practices. Your best bet is to treat every such claim with utter scorn.
 * Hesperian 03:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What they said! &mdash;Moondyne 04:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sro and battye specifically behave like most institutions on this - denial in the hope that they can raise some revenue via an unchallenged process - it needs a court case (probably to federal level) for them to consider changes - and whats the bet the state govt would pass legislation to sustain their rights - as if we are really in a boom - staffing levels, government interest in growth or development - and expertise in these institutions show the reverse...SatuSuro 05:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This cuts to the heart of copyright. I don't think the state government would have the jurisdiction. Besides, if we tried to force them to stop telling copyright porky-pies, they might react by taking down all their online images, which would be a lose-lose. Hesperian 05:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I reckon that the revenue they raise from sale of images would be minuscule. I think it's just laziness to fix their software with a tinge of arrogance and ignorance thrown in.  &mdash;Moondyne 05:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fortunately once its becomes PD it cant be withdrawn, shhh conspiritiously checks the room  I seam to recall the Bradman museum has been successful to some extent in retaining copyrights. . its even worse with the battye as that collection is from freely given images in the first place.  Gnangarra 05:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I knew about Bradman's name having some copyright protection, but images is a new one on me. Are you sure? &mdash;Moondyne 05:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you mean trademark protection? Hesperian 05:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * vaguely Remember reading on here(will dig) about this early on, something to do with a news image from the late 40's being used. Was also some off wiki commentary around the same time(not associated with here), thats what really dragged me into the murky underworld of image copyrights. Any how I'll do some digging under the cover of darkness tonight. One a different thought what are doing here anyway moondyne, thought you were sitting under a shady tree on the road to toodyay wait for a horse Gnangarra 05:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If I had my druthers I'd be in cave near Margaret R. &mdash;Moondyne 05:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, well I guess I can upload that picture of his bowling action for DYK then. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * yep, Gnangarra
 * The Battye Library has my Great Grandfathers photo collection on-line as well and also they are claiming such copyright, which was specifically against the intent of the donation. These pictures are for all that are interested in WA History and WA Sporting History to enjoy. You won't find anything like them elsewhere. [JL Burley Photo Collection] petedavo 07:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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An image question
Can you please comment at User_talk:Astrokey44 re Image:Trumper victor batting aus cricket.JPG Tintin 11:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Tintin 14:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

lol, does this mean it should be deleted.. but we can upload it again in eight months time?! The other photo is nicer, but I guess will have to wait till next year --Astrokey 44 05:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * okay, ive tagged it as you suggested.--Astrokey 44 06:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Wandoo
Re: "this farce ends now", its about time; welcome back. :-)

There's nothing inherently wrong with multiple plant species having the same common name, e.g. Swamp Banksia. But in this case, I can find no evidence that E. zopherophloia is commonly named "Powder-barked Wandoo". The Australian plant common name database gives its common name as "Blackbutt Mallee". I suspect a copypaste error. I've made a correction.

List of Wandoos: E. accedens (Powder bark Wandoo), E. capillosa (Wheatbelt Wandoo), E. lanepoolei (Salmonbark Wandoo), E. livida (Mallee Wandoo), E. nigrifunda (Desert Wandoo), E. redunca (Wandoo), ''E. wandoo (Wandoo).

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Navarine
Sometimes has long breaks - I'd say go ahead and do it - as I am sure if its explained he would accept - seems a reasonable Hobartian from my experience so far... SatuSuro 12:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for that - that message above about the wandoos has me thinking I have seen a list at variance from that, cannot remember where though...SatuSuro 14:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

de Bernales
Good article! I did have a question on a trivial matter. I'm wondering if there is a connection between his first and second wife, Bessie Picken Berry and Helen Florence Berry? Regards, Fred 05:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not important. Another fine WA bio. I have to finish some, myself. Fred 07:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Council/Proposals
Hello Moondyne. There is currently a proposal for a Swimming WikiProject. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash;Moondyne 08:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Katherine_Mary_Clutterbuck / 100 Most Influential Western Australians
On April 9 User:RHaworth importance tagged this article and left a note "just a few words in the first paragraph to say why she is notable, please". I have attempted to do this, and ask you to have a visit when you have the time and advise me if it upto scratch to warrant being tagged off? Many thanks petedavo 14:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Air disaster hoax
You might like to check his other contributions too - there aren't many articles. Sorry can't hang around to help --Golden Wattle talk 03:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hesperian has speedied it.  I can't see anything else that's problematic. &mdash;Moondyne 03:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Try Destination Disaster (TV show) (AfD). &mdash;Moondyne 04:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Carmel School redirect
It may have been easier, but it is unlikely that the majority of people will mistake college for school, or forget to add high school. However, for the few that do, there is a link for others. This is my reasoning, but if you see a flaw please inform me, I won't kill you :) Heyhey Hey 03:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Putting that into perspective, I must say I agree with you Heyhey Hey 04:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Revis. Gen. Pl.
Thanks for that; one more stupido point for me. :-) Hesperian 12:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ta
Thanks for attending to this. Regards,--cj | talk 11:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if this is the way to communicate??
Hello, can you please view the NZL-32 article as I have added something to it. Not sure how to change the "Political office" box in the succession box of TEAM NZ boats. Anyone can help msg me because Im going to do a whole series of these for all the boats. thanks --Conner5553 06:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thats GREAT thank you --Conner5553 07:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey. The logo can be seen at http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/images/img_traitees/2004/08/1093434166_logo_red_black_news.jpg--Conner5553 10:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

List
Looks great - I just had to put my bit on the talk - such things are so potentially 'selective'. It looks good - well done! SatuSuro 11:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC) What a relief only two (people on the list) were a long time family friends, and only one has our phone number - that will keep me from name dropping! :) SatuSuro 11:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Bing!
Replied your email. Gosh things have been quiet around here of late - I've had a nice little break from the social aspect of things and am ready for SatuSuro to start networking us back together again. ;-) Hesperian 12:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For crying out loud, I'm back one day and look what happens, my name in vain! SatuSuro 14:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Never in vain. We await your instructions... ;) &mdash;Moondyne 14:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK you got it - Bushranger - your chance to shine oh moondyne (rhyme?) - is the ACOTFF or whatever - ! SatuSuro 03:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Swimming
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PSA Page
I would like to thank you for the table that you put into the PSA article, it is a great addition, perfect. Im just enquiring as to if you know about another school association (like the PSA), to use as a guide, (GA or better) for writing the PSA article, currently i lack direction with the article. Many thanks Twenty Years 15:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the idea sounds great! Will get onto it soon. Many thanks regarding the table, and the help with regard to the other associations. Twenty Years 04:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleting Copyvio's
This - List of Facilities at Aquinas College, Perth is copied word-for-word from the Aquinas College Student Diary (could be from various year's - probs this years - they all say the same thing about the buildings) - the diary is copyrighted to the college. Im just enquiring as to how to go about like deleting it... Thanks Twenty Years 17:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Bessie
I put out a general call for assistance with with the Bessie biography. I have have not had a response yet. I know I can trust you to be brutally frank and that you are very experienced with biographies. Do you have some time to help untangle my mess? Regards, Fred 05:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I think your biogs are great, it was not intended as flattery. Thanks for the help and picking up that legislation issue, I will fix that up. Women were not permitted to sit on the bench and it required legislation to allow her to. Opponents to it did not stand a chance, I almost pity them. It is dificult to get across why she was so important, I might try and get another opinion from someone who has never heard of her. The Reflections book reminded me why I am so fascinated by her. I read it years ago and picked it up again recently; the sketch of an elderly Lady with skirt hiked up around her knees and wading out to confront bulldozers had been rattling around my subconcious. I hope I have done her the same justice she helped bring to so many.

As an aside, I once asked my Fascist(self-described) friend what he thought about women as heads of state, he said: A quick glance from his partner put an end to that conversation. :-) Best regards, Fred 11:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Prime Minister! I don't think they should have got the vote!

Dear Moondyne,

Thank you for being a member of WikiProject Swimming. For all of you that have helped in our first week, thank you so much. This has been a very hard week for us in the States, with the Virginia Tech event. This project has been a way for me to remove my mind from the terrible event. Thank you for helping out, and improving the project. Please keep the motivation going in the next few weeks, and try to recruit as many swimmers, divers, water dancers and polo players as you can. Be proud of your sport!

See you around the pool,

wpktsfs

Thank you ...
.. for getting embroiled in the Ranjit Fernando issue and for tracking down and sorting out that sock issue. Appreciate it :) - Alison ☺ 03:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

gigglymail
in a minute or so SatuSuro 13:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC) delayed by phone calls sorry SatuSuro 13:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah sorry, Gnangarra 14:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Perth Wikimeetup
Hello there. It was good to meet you and the other active Perth Wikipedians today. Do please keep me informed of any future meetups. :) - Mark 02:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Meetup
Cheers for that, always good to put names to faces (finally). Thewinchester (talk) 03:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

%
Very interesting :-) I'm on 8.21%, even though you've been here a year longer than me... you old bugger. Hesperian 04:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I was hoping you would ;-) Hesperian 04:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - make that 2 rounds :) SatuSuro 06:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Inasmuch as I have my doubts about the veracity of certain professions capacity to actually have any semblance of an understanding of reality beyond their own bank accounts, you hit it! :) SatuSuro 10:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I still cannot work out who paid for my breakfast...SatuSuro 10:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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meetups
I always forget to talk about the things that I am actually doing at the moment! Irealised the issues that come from the cat trawling and finding that bot is convincing me there are some cats that need checking the contents - and it looks good - might need to get advice further later down the track - thanks for looking SatuSuro 13:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo on WikiProject endorsements?
You mentioned in this edit that you overheard Jimbo talking about the WikiProject endorsement idea. I've not talked to Jimbo about my little initiative, at least not in any detail. Forgive my nosiness, but I'd be quite curious to know what he has been saying about it. Thanks, Kelly Martin (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007
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Postcodes
Sorry - my fault entirely - I accidentally moved it to the wrong page - I want it at "Postcodes in Australia", as that is the correct term in Australia, not "postal codes". JRG 07:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Email
You have some :) Orderinchaos 09:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)