User talk:Moondyne/Archive 9

Busy
Sorry for not announcing my short break. I'm easing back in now but will probably be scaling back my Wikipedia time quite a bit in the short term. &mdash;Moondyne 13:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice work
Hey, nice work kicking The West Australian back into touch. Thewinchester (talk) 09:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

High?
Tom price (locality) in my ubd country road map is claimed to be the highest locality in wa at 747 metres - i need a reality check as the info box currently says half of that - maybe the ubd persons are using the actual mount tom price height and not the real town height - watch think? (and it looked like the miami servers were down 2 hours!) SatuSuro 13:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * gah thats very helpful - i was all at sea as to whether any of the geosciences stuff actually help with altitudes and you give an answer like that...sigh :) SatuSuro 13:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Its getting weirder - three altitudes for tom price locality - btw do you think thats a valid geo-list - localities in wa by altitude :-)  ??? SatuSuro 13:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah - sorting the rats from the quokkas - damned multiple variant heights from various sources is a headache... later...SatuSuro 14:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

tagging cricket articles
I have to make a little change to the bot before I can tag articles again. It shouldn't take very long, but I'm not sure when I'll get to it. Then, I have a couple of other projects that have been waiting. I will add Cricket to my to do list though, and let you know when it's done. Ingrid 15:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Recent block
I saw that block on that IP address earlier (possibly Tony Senatore), was not sure if it was the user in question but thought seeing that there was a possible issue regarding copyright on The Angels article, thought I better highlight it for discussion. Have a look at the recent edits that IP address did to the Angels article and see what you think --Mikecraig 03:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He has popped up on the IP address page with a reply to your block. What is a bit silly with all this is that if he had a supposed issue with the article in regards to content and where it may have come from/copyright..etc, why not raise it earlier on and not now when he is being blocked both user and IP address. Anyway..--Mikecraig 05:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Image tagging
Good question. Chances are it accidentally got hit with a big deletionist fly swat when I CSD'd a bucketload of bad fair use images which got loaded into school articles around the place, lifted straight from Henrietta. Thewinchester (talk) 11:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Australian Music WikiProject
Thanks for the info regarding this, have not had much involvement with projects apart from adding and editing articles which are part of various projects. Also I see that Tony Senatore is back in action. --Mikecraig 06:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up on the project page, will check it out today --Mikecraig 22:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Rusty201
It's OK. The fair use crackdown is hard, and I guess we all have to stay as calm as possible, or we'll end up losing good people in frustration. Cheers mate, Riana ⁂  13:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Category question
I just created the category Australian heavy metal music. Is that acceptable and if so did I do it right? BrianFG 01:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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Harvey family and Neil Harvey
Hello Moondyne. As promised (sort of), I have now upgraded these two pages with the mentioned trivia.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...did you know.....that dual Brownlow Medallist Robert Harvey is a the grand-nephew of 1950s Australian batting great Neil Harvey? `

Oz muz proj
Has it a tag yet (ie for arts and cats?) ? SatuSuro 13:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Australian music articles by quality statistics
Did you create this by hand? I don't think it's accurate, but it looks a lot nicer than a red link until the bot completes its' run. :) -- Longhair\talk 10:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * FWIW, the bot just updated the stats. :) -- Longhair\talk 11:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessing Australian Music WikiProject
Hi, about the wikiproject tag in the article talk pages, which articles are suitable for adding it? Does it include songs by Australian artists, TV/radio music programs (eg. Spicks and Specks, Australian Idol, It Takes Two)? What is the main guideline for using the project tag? I want to help out. RaNdOm26 11:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * moved to WP:AUSMUS for discussion &mdash;Moondyne 11:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

OZ lit
Can you remember seeing a userbox for oz lit participants somewhere> Seems to have gone awol - would you be able to make one? SatuSuro 12:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your work there as well - too many projects such a short life :) SatuSuro 14:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)  Nah - who cares - just another userbox in the wall (as in brick and...) SatuSuro 15:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Stems
Am having a slight problem with another user BigrTex who considers that the fair use images of the various Stems anthology albums are "decorative" and therefore not allowed - do you know whether this is correct? If not how can I get him to stop removing them Dan arndt 00:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice - am not as familar with all the editorial aspects on Wikipedia and appreciate your expert advice & assistance - am just an average user who is into Australian music Dan arndt 01:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Will start tagging some of my articles - just another thing on my "to do" list Dan arndt 01:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Issue
Could not be bothered - what an incredible waste of time and energy. SatuSuro 04:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Beware the list cullers
Your suggn to dan - thats what we went through with the ES troublemakers trying to get rid of lists some months back - we got rid of the list (dan took it to a sub page) when they said try a category instead. Poor dan will wonder what we are all up to. Unless its clearly very diff from what was deleted (it hads heaps of red links) SatuSuro 06:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * gawd I think youd find it easier in his contribs hist - mines getting too big and it was... i cannot even remembe the name or the time .. typical me... you will have to make it as good as you have started with refs and links and fancy bells and whistles and commentary SatuSuro 07:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok I would suggest at least three other columns - something life refs/links, style/known haunts, and something else - and be v careful about putting heaps of intro text- would be prepared to help out - but very verystretched at moment SatuSuro 07:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Very strongly against such a list with red links - part of wot got the es frenzy up - clear not ambig links to groups/bands fine - red links squawks! (ie not) SatuSuro 07:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Am impressed with the list - will try and populate it the best I can - as I stated previously was using the list more as a reminder list of what bands still had yet to have articles (another thing on my 'to do list') - I like it - hopefully it won't be deleted this time Dan arndt 00:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for changing the list - happy to have it hosted on my talk page Dan arndt 04:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

COI?
I'm afraid the COIBot is gonna have your guts for garters for this edit. It declares me a perpetrator of evil COI deeds every time I edit Esperance, Western Australia, Esperance Plains or Esperance mallee, merely because "Esperance" and "Hesperian" both contain "esper". Hesperian 07:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks! But i know the rules
i gonna tell you the same way i told other. DO NOT LEAVE ME MESSAGES. THEY WILL BE DELETED OR INNORED. i upload Image:394589.jpg. as a album cover. do not worry about how it was upload and do not snoop in my business. Soccermeko

Reporting Your Blockage
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Aurora
Aurora has an unblock request. I've said my piece but can't formally handle the request because I was the blocker. Gnangarra probably can't either, since he blocked the latest sock. Perhaps you'd like to do the honours. Hesperian 05:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Different conversation

 * Will let you know what I think of that off-wiki :|. The recent edits to Jim Bacon and Bob Hawke is concerning me - the editing to the articles seemed too quick for a newbie - which suggests sock territory - would appreciate you opinion of the matter, cheers SatuSuro 06:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Somewhat disturbing to see the message above taken out of context, misinterpreted and copied onto another talk page. I should have put a separator in. sigh SatuSuro 14:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:The Angels page
Looking at the latest post on Talk:The_Angels_%28Australian_band%29...seems like Tony is back? --Mikecraig 23:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Mike Craig information is wrong or is base on real facts on band.

John Breswter left the band in February 1986 not 1985, it in Live Line

Like I saided if you wrong information on this its your problem

My last comment me attack THE ANGELS, I am gbig Angels going back to 1976, and I know what I saying

Are you going above me and listen to Mike Craig?

I find your login is complex and not easy to follow
 * Nice work on the Angels category..never thought to start one! --Mikecraig 06:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hopefully it does. Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow 17:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice work
Nice work on the Liberation article...good start. --Mikecraig 03:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Was just thinking, is it better to put that list of artists in two columns or does that make it harder or look weird? --Mikecraig 05:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Doggerel
Ah, our foul-mouthed Cambodian friend! They've taken a break recently, but as far as I know they took a couple month break back in February and March. Perhaps they will come back in August. Natalie 06:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No break, I'm afraid -- &mdash;Moondyne 14:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sigh. They did disappear for a few weeks, at least. Natalie 06:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Impartial input
Administrators%27_noticeboard. I would appreciate it if some well considered input from an uninvolved party could be included here. The troll on question has pushed my patience to the point where I simply can no longer assume good faith towards him due to his continued disruption, point and pov pushing, and baseless attempts to claim that personal attacks and threats of violence have been made against him by his constant twisting of words. Thewinchester (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the effort, and regrettably as I expected (despite hoping otherwise) it wasn't going to amount to much with the user in question. I've already written off the issue as a lost cause and the AN/I was the end of the matter AFAIK. As you would have seen he persists in pursuing his own viewpoint without rhyme or reason. Not a week can go by without getting stuck dealing with another user who love grandstanding and using the place for the purpose of a battleground, instead or just writing decent articles without editorial issues, or have I just become too simple in my own age? Thewinchester (talk) 04:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

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maybe ah?
Greetings from 423, Number Mister 319 I presume? SatuSuro 01:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Sincerest apologies - - hopefully that might explain if examined carefully SatuSuro 03:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Speaking as 650 here... Orderinchaos 05:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 2981 here --Mikecraig 05:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * These numbers just make me sad. Such wasted lives.  Sigh.  [[Image:Sad-tpvgames.gif]] &mdash;Moondyne 05:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh well, I was gonna waste it somehow anyway. Hesperian 05:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Yet another photo question
Is this photo of S. K. Gurunathan in the public domain ? If yes, is it legal to crop the image and remove the worker from the picture. Tintin 16:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Tintin 11:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

He's back
User talk:192.102.239.195 - looks like Tony is back making statements. Can he be warned about "attacking" me as per his latest post? Thanks --Mikecraig 05:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the post, and blocked and protected for three hours. This is all any of us can do because he is editing from an NLA terminal. Hesperian 05:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. &mdash;Moondyne 07:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know via email. --Mikecraig 04:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

PBXII
Cripes man - its a disease - all the characters buried at Imogiri need much more apart from dates - thats definitely a full bottle of red on a very unrushed afternoon the story of that mob and their offspring :|  SatuSuro 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not going to even divulge my watch list number here - put it this way - my indonesian edits rarely get revisited by others (even less the west coast tas ones) so they show up like dogs SatuSuro 14:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

grmail if youre still on SatuSuro 14:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

City of York
Strange correction and claim added by an anon there. Tempted to reverted, but decided to leave it to you. Hesperian 04:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

WAMi
I don't have a problem renaming this page to West Australian music industry awards - as the article's creator. I was actually thinking about creating a page for the West Australian music industry and separate pages for WAM 'Song of the Year' etc. Only issue is that there is a huge number of other articles that I have linked to this article & I don't really feel like going back and doing all those changes Dan arndt 09:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

List of oz crim locations of the 19th c
I currently support Ben Cousins and his criminal activities. I blocked users writing on this on Ben Cousin's Website because I support drug use.

I am currently challenging the rather odd list apparently originally created by you some 2 years ago - with the increasingly dubious title List of australian penal colonies, dubious in that it now has red links and they seem to be places not colonies. The list as it is of locations and specific institutions - rather than colonies. As there is now also a category the issues is do we really need the list? - would not it be better served by convictivism article - or perhaps it needs moving to a more specific title of list of australian convict era penitentiaries - if it is to remain - please feel free to do likewise on any of my created items from 2 years ago - I am indeed sure I created more mindbending paradoxes than that one :| cheers SatuSuro 12:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Youre being too generous - why not give it an intro and move it to a more appropriate title - and link it up? SatuSuro 13:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Still reckon the specific locations/penitentaries are what is needed in the title of the list - and even another separate bit of info for the times that the colonies were specific penal colonies (dont know the dates myself) SatuSuro 13:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I was suggesting both - with words in the titles that identify the colonial era/colonies/convict era specifically - ie before states and australia and all that SatuSuro 13:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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50 DYKs !!!

 * Yay for dykcountitis....My GAcountitis needs to be quenched though....a little polish job for Neil Harvey and I'll be into double figures! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Heheh you cant archive that quickly enough to hide it - we saw it! well done! SatuSuro 13:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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Obsessive/compulsive tendencies
''Have you ever considered this? ;)&mdash;Moondyne 01:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ... says the man with 50 DYKs. :-D Hesperian 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 235 Banksia articles. Hmmm. &mdash;Moondyne'' 02:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, 235 is nowhere near enough. I mean, jeez, we still don't have an article on Banksia dallaneyi subsp. dallaneyi var. mellicula. Thanks for the prompt - I'll get right on it. Hesperian 02:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hurrumph - and you havent even got to the hakeas yet - :| SatuSuro 08:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

See if he notices. Huh? Was that for my benefit? Hesperian 15:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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What?
You cant delete an article in 20 minutes. You have to give it a day so other editors and sources can be taken into consideration...Why are you so hasty? --ProfMozart 09:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

ok then undeleted and ill do it right now. and i will apologize for being lazy and not putting everything in. Seriously not a hoax. --ProfMozart 10:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

First, may I ask, where do you get the authority to block me? Secondly, why wont you undelete it so I can do what is necassary for the article. Third what makes you think your "opinon" alone is valid enough to erase this piece of history. --ProfMozart 12:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont understand why you cannot answer my questions? I also cant understand why you cannot undelete the original page for an hour, and let me show you that its not rubbish. Why cant you lose the attitude, like you know everything, and let me get on my way. You act like you have authority here when you dont. please do the right thing. --ProfMozart 13:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

What is your problem with the article? you havent said anything, except rubbish? whats rubbish about it? can you please act semi-adult about this, because it just looks like you have a personal issue with the article. --ProfMozart 13:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Sword Boys
Hi, I appreciate the hand on Sword Boys. I have restored the trafficking details, as that can be copiously sourced. Let me know if you think more is mandatory.

Thanks for the feedback re Crime in Western Australia; I'll continue researching with the intent on adding information there. John Vandenberg 15:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Neil Harvey pics
Hi Moondyne. Do you know where the pic of Neil Harvey's straight drive came from? Tintin is worried it might not have been taken on Australian soil. Also, I switched the portrait to a very youthful...which was very obviously from before he set foot on foreign soil in 1948...Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Link
Hi Moondyne, I found the link on wikiproject edit counters and its exactly the same as the query API, just a fancy interface on top. I figured many web browsers wouldn't have XML parsers and would die on the query API, so it would be better to link to a fancy interface than a raw output that not everyone could use. I love the GTools site anyway, lots of cool stuff to play around with. Somehow they haven't linked the edit counter from the front page... --121.45.214.135 13:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There must be other edit counters using the Query API, just this one seems to be the quickest, and it has the option of linking directly to a specific user's edit count. Interesting to see if it becomes popular, it might have to be moved to toolserver if it does. --121.45.220.17 04:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Edits
Thanks. I'll endeavour to remember that. I don't do it on purpose. A lot of times I just edit and press "save", sometimes by mistake.BrianFG 05:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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 * Source now added. &mdash;Moondyne 15:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Nah
Most of them are category talk pages - about one or two hits every 24 hours on average - over 11 now and no problems at all - cheers SatuSuro 03:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * mind you too many user talk pages - must remember to remove them the next project that i get rid of those horrible red discussion tags from (brrr) - oh and your australian cricket cats have been snatched for the oz project as well - you probably noticed :| - so many damned projects with about zilch tags for them - SatuSuro 03:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK talk page notice
Howdy! in response to your note on my talk page, when I updated DYK I just went along with the credits on the update page itself. I apologise if there'd been a mistake in the crediting. I can give you the notice now, if you want :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) &bull; 23:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Footie teams
A huge number of oz afl teams - regional etc - have sports=yes. and not afl=yes in their tags. Is there any reaonable explanation apart from the later startup time of the afl project cf with the oz sports project ? SatuSuro 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC) OK ta - gmail later on the issue SatuSuro 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

ha - check the edit history very carefully - the article and the conversation- the joke is on all of us with this one http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACentral_West_Australian_Football_League&diff=142626994&oldid=142623259 sigh SatuSuro 08:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Oh well I have a vast project wide cleanup, you just have one small edit war to cope with :|  SatuSuro 08:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Central West is the team - and the new south wales buggers insist on the rest of the name - the article is nsw - but it can read west oz - I tried a hyphen - but some helpful person pointed out the issue and i welcomed the revert and now you capture it for far western nsw! im off for a rest immediately SatuSuro 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a very very good example of why literalist titles of some articles should never be used without the careful thinking through a sufficient title, disambig page or some form qualifier - I think the reverter actually should- in all politeness now put (NSW) after the title! As for the afl tag and the number of regional leagues who use afl as part of their names - bah humbug SatuSuro 09:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

when the robots float cross the watch page
I think my thinking aloud on longhairs talk page i might take the football leagues/things separation to the various project talk pages - i think my mistake could also be a timely point to clarify some issues - watcha think? SatuSuro 14:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Another horrie
Is this one over-extending fair use of a club logo, I was looking the other Horrie Miller when I noticed a few links additional to those given in the rationale. I don't know how much latitude there is with this stuff. Sorry to dump it on you, my interest in sport does not extend beyond The Compleat Angler. Regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  21:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ta, I'm off for a bit, I will chase it about later. Watch out for two pickled goons, they may create articles about aircraft beacons or vineyards.
 * Have I asked for yr opinion on the viability of the 'batavia' yarn getting an article? Most of the details are in the (ship) article and that is strewn about the reef by the time the 'temporary micronation' was 'founded'. The rest of the gruesome tale is strewn about biographical articles; I was reminded when noting the early trnsltn of a Mr. Siebenhaar. The name is the tricky thing. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  13:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If I may interject, I think this is plenty notable enough to warrant an article.... I just hope we don't attract weirdos who want to make it out as fact. Hesperian 13:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As usual I have no idea what's been talked about here. Someone please give me some hints.  &mdash;Moondyne 13:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please do not inspect closely the current conversation (on wiki between) fred and self, it may be very dangerous for consumption without lengthy annotation and explanation.
 * However - (1) two pickled goons - gnang and self with small bit of wine tasting within cooee of baskerville hall (not hounds) this am - re a friend who now lives in Hobart.
 * (2) aircraft beacons - I remember the greenmount hill one - gnag has found a blackboy hill ref (we did get piccies this am) - i once laboured very long to find nothing at all australian archives about any of them
 * (3) vineyards of wa - nah - not yet - far too much promotional material available - havent found good third party overview sources yet
 * (4) batavia yarn - I'll have to check with my social secretary on that one - or perhaps google it - I am at a loss partly myself - however if fred and hesp agree its a goer...
 * As warned - conversation between self and fred requires extensive explanation so if you dont cotton on - have no fear - its all greek to others as well SatuSuro 13:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dutch one. A clue, these are some more: Anyway I have rough draft, but no name. If you were thinking indonesia, you are too far north. Regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  18:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) With justified derision, but flagrant use of the term fact, Hesp is noting the 'first settlement' notion I was facetiously alluding to; the aforementioned 'micronation' or fatal impact, that some wag has deemed as the first euro-settlement in Australia.
 * 2) It did not last long, but attempted to implement policies regarding order, foundation and governance.
 * 3) The population went into sharp decline after this!
 * 4) The former and more broadly recognised authority, reluctantly returned and re-established the previous policies.
 * 5) The number of the group declined a bit more.
 * 6) Others were left on the ... in 'Australia'. The rest continued to their original destination.
 * 7) It is the subject of fictional, nonfictional and speculative works, particuarly by authors in WA
 * 8) You and I have met an esteemed author of a (the) key work on the topic - here, editing.


 * In plain English, from rough memory: some time in the 1800s, someone wrote an entirely fictional work purporting to be the journal of an explorer in Western Australia. In addition to describing non-existent animals in great detail, this "explorer" claimed to have penetrated into our lush, fertile interior, and there discovered a vast Dutch civilisation in inland W.A. This was of course formed by survivors of the Batavia and perhaps other Dutch wrecks along our coast. At various times since then this work of fiction has been rediscovered and promoted as fact or at least worthy of further analysis. I believe Len Beadell is most recently guilty of this. A fairly large transcript of the original document can be found in Tim Flannery's The Explorers.
 * This was my original understanding of Fred's comment, and what I was responding to in the above. It now seems to me that Fred is talking about a lot more than just the "Dutch settlement" tall story. He is talking about providing proper detailed coverage of the Batavia wreck incident - the mutiny and murders, the long trip in search of help, the eventual rescue and punishment of the mutineers, etc - important stuff that is either not covered in Wikipedia, or is inadequately covered across a number of biographical articles.
 * Hesperian 06:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Correct:Hesperian is the winner of the au.pop-quiz. Bonus points for the other batavie settlement. As a prize, I will start the article ... if someone can provide a name. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  08:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

In the shed collection (moon and hesp will know what I am referring to)i think there is also a very obscure novel about (i think it was novel) about a community created in the kimberley that never really existed. However i think it is/was totally different century from the one you allude to here. There is another again of the fictitious lost civilisations under the darling scarp that is linked to long dead theosophists and the late author glaskin - but that is another again - so from my particular perspective - at least three imagined communities that never existed within the bounds of wa - there should never be a claim for just one. cheers SatuSuro 05:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Feel like complaining?
Here's the tool http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

&mdash;Moondyne 03:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Nah, if I feel like complaining, I just email Moondyne. Hesperian 03:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Same here SatuSuro 05:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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Nominal
It certainly made a big blue splash on my contrib listing when I moved it off my user page :0 There is a euphonic alternate as a redirect, this is based on the only other name I could find. It is also the only link, I would be happy to move over it. Many of the communities are well named, some of the others may be problematic, for example, is both bold and blue! ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  08:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Photos from Ellis Guitars
Hi, Very new to Wiki, I am actually Nerium Kristina ELLIS as in the ELLIS from ELLIS GUITARS. That's my website I'm uploading from! Is there a way to stop other Wiki dudes mistaking me for an imposter? NeriumKristina 21:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Query
With regard to my P-Plates. Can i create talk pages for articles? I wanna go thru all Western Australia related articles, and give them a class and importance rating. And obviously some articles wont have a talk page, so i will need to create them, is this ok? Twenty Years 10:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Can i move this page All Saints College Western Australia? to All Saints College, Perth?
 * Also, for future reference, do i have permission to start talk pages or not? Thanks Twenty Years 11:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * With regard to my assesment drive. What do i do with categories? how do i assess them? or are they a NA? Cheers. Twenty Years 10:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, but they enter the "unassessed category", how do i get them out of that category? Twenty Years 11:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Gawd all this above is enough to break out the hives - does anyone want an explanation? (having been there and done that with the template creators and all)
 * Btw - Oh the very odd thing is there is not a smidgeon ov material turning up on henrietta against the roots and blues festival - are there alternative names to the event at all? SatuSuro 15:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nah if there had been a piece of paper about it or whatever - it should have got into henriettas clutches - unless its in the legendary back room of unsorteds (like my shed)SatuSuro 16:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
- just what it needed - cheers SatuSuro 01:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

WALC
''I'm surprised Hesperian hasn't written an article on that yet. &mdash;Moondyne 01:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You are not. When was the last time I wrote anything about anything that wasn't at least obliquely related to plants? Hesperian 04:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that is the new quiz question, from the previous winner. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  04:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Isnt it lunch time for you guys yet - I am back at the firewood - hint - he has taken his name off the wp oz history participants list :| SatuSuro 04:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

N E R
I have replied to your comment on the talk page concerned. My comment includes; The rationale will help you better understand my thoughts on it all. Might be worth a read. Good luck with it all. Twenty Years 08:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My rationale for the tag
 * How the situation could be better handled next time
 * My final thoughts on the process we have gone through

Infoboxes
Hello. Could you please expand on what you meant about the problems with the infoboxes I use please as I do not really understand. Thanks. 02blythed 12:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Articles
Hello. The spelling of Bangledesh is just a typo and nothing more. 02blythed 11:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fix is underway.  &mdash;Moondyne 13:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Dear Moondyne. Would you mind entering into correspondence with me - off wiki? regards Fred ☻  15:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries, it can wait. I didn't notice the time, I reading three books at once. Regards,  Fred ☻  15:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, was at source. One moment.  Fred ☻  02:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The bush
what a misleading, minimalist article re australia that is - the article was such an edit war a year ago or so some bright spark made it planet wide - but the photos and the description are so minimal as to defy the imagination. SatuSuro 02:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Neil Harvey straight drive picture
Hi Moondyne. I found that pic in a VCA cricket history book marked as VCA archives. So we are safe. I am sure that was taken before 1955 since Harvey is (relatively) skinny in that picture.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

My rfa
Thanks Moondyne, I very much appreciate your support, comments, and monitoring there, and in keeping with the above theme, thanks for batting for me! --Melburnian 13:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Articles
thanks for the support (re:Not Enough Rope) - needs to be more people out there creating & improving articles not forever trying to delete them - we should be trying to encourage contributors and helping them out where possible not discouraging them as some users seem to take delight in doing. Dan arndt 02:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Dowerin Field Day
I'm a little surprised you did that. I would have thought, as the biggest ag show after the Perth Royal Show, which isn't really an ag show anymore, that it was individually notable. Henrietta suggests that it won the Sir David Brand Tourism Award in 1995. She also tells me that it was the subject of a 100 page (I kid you not) supplement in Countryman back in 1988.

This is not a challenge or a request to reconsider. I am quite satisfied that you are more highly qualified to judge of agricultural matters than I am. Just felt like seeing if I could purchase a $2 explanation for 2c.

Hesperian 06:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyfraud
I posted a copy of the abstract with attribution. Classic fair use. Hesperian 07:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Climate Map
Hi Moondyne. The base map I scanned in from an old tourist base map of the state that I had. I then drew the outline for the climatic refions myself and coloured them manually, and added the key and the title in powerpoint. I drew the blue line marking the summer and winter rainfall regimes and coloured this too, before saving it from powerpoint as a jpeg file. Surely this classifies as a non-copyright map. John D. Croft 08:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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Question
I was scowering old records when i stumbled across this, where you suggested that i make an articles on Perth Private School Fees. I am quite interested in it, but am curious as to how it would be done...i was thinking of possibly having a table with all of the schools including the following; name, established, enrolment, fees, scholarships offered (yes/no). What do you think? Twenty Years 03:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, ill develop it in the sandbox 5. Cheers. Twenty Years 07:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The table looks quite good, except it really makes the PSA look DAMN ELITE and Aquinas by comparison to the other schools DAMN POOR! Twenty Years 07:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just for your information its TC and CCGS - surprise to me too. Hale always seemed to be the most elite, by far. Twenty Years 13:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Canonical
Hi, I noticed this, I actually think the page name should be changed. Regards, Fred ☻  07:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Er, yes.  That is a good idea :P. Sorry, I was working on a few related articles when I started fixing it and reached that conclusion.  Your analysis of the previous work is correct, but a bit generous. Regards  Fred ☻  08:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to confess, I've been trolling my own talk page too. Regards, Fred ☻  12:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Mary Durack, something else on my list. You prompted me to plump it up a little when you made the link. Would you mind giving it a quick review one day, I want to give it another go. Do you think the family deserves a little page, it is pretty close to the threshold for notability. It does risk being a bit OR, maybe a dab page.  When you have some time. Cheers,   Fred ☻  10:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Kings, wrongly criticised and deserves an article... [sigh] ... as well. I think I will read it again. I had to demote Yagan a bit, based on the sources I used, he got a link in the reword though. Ta, I will have another look. Fred ☻  23 July 2007 (UTC)

Rhodes Scholarship
I thought that was just a list of Rhodes scholars? as such, any Rhodes scholar should be added to the list? OR is it only notable Rhodes scholars like Peter Durack (this appears to be the case)? Thanks alot.Twenty Years 14:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to take a quick look at my talk in Article Creation, i think one or two of those 6 are notable, and am just after your opinion....Cheers. Twenty Years 14:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

P-Block
I have made a suggestion on Aurors talk page regarding our Probationary blocks, and was just after the four (involved) WP:WA admins thoughts on it, i would ask you to leave your thoughts on this proposal in that part of the page please. Thank you for taking this into consideration, best wishes. Twenty Years 14:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Pollies with far too big superannuation payouts for their own good
I think that very messy article/list needs a magic box - your turn, or mine? SatuSuro 02:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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The Holidays
The Holidays Hey I added a few extra references to this article this time, and wrote on the discussion page the problem that I am having with finding online sources and references for the article. I was hoping the article could be left up for a couple of weeks so other users could contribute to it and hopefully help with making it more legitimate. is there any chance you can resubmit the article? --Sparkelman11 11:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability
Thanks for your comments on QStik Records notifiaction for deletion page - it does seem that I am being put through the wringer by User:Orderinchaos on a number of articles - whilst I don't have a problem with having to justify an article's notability (keeps me on my toes) his constant questioning is starting to drive me 'nuts'. Could you have a look at This Vital Chapter for me. Dan arndt 03:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Its hard not to have a sense of frustration at times - as I said I agree with the need to provide justification - its just when I provide what I feel is sufficient (certainly what has been sufficient in the past) to keep on being questioned when I am well aware of other articles without as much justification is frustrating Dan arndt 04:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Fenbury
Thanks alot. Ive written another one, on someone more notable, its in Sandbox5, the proposal is just awaiting the go ahead on my talk. Thanks alot. Twenty Years 14:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S> Thanks for the kick up the arse in relation to alumni articles. Much appreciated. Twenty Years 14:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Having major problems - it seems like something is just missing in here. If you can spot something, please tell me, am planning to go live with it 2morow, need time to sleep on it tonight. Cheers. Twenty Years 15:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think i nailed one on a politician/unionist/dude. Can i get ur opinion please, thanks alot. Twenty Years 09:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot for the copy edit. Love your work. Cheers. Twenty Years 13:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahh
Another fred i see - but dropped in usage. :) SatuSuro 02:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya can't have too many Freds. &mdash;Moondyne 02:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeedy so - regardless of gender, publication history, or access to obscure and occult arts (as in articles) that invite the oddest admirers and haunters i have had the pleasure to invite myself - enough to make the joannas of the world jealous (ok ok I have finished a skim read of the latest tarry sotter... yeah) - SatuSuro 02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Recognition of your help
Thanks yet again Moondyne for your help in my uploads to the WA pages. It is much appreciated having your firm, gentle yet critical eye over my shoulder. Great work. Warm regards, John D. Croft 02:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Good work
...with this--replacing a hoax with a well-written stub on something not only worth reading but real. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

ABD is wonderful...
Of the six i have listed in my article creation section, would you be able to tell me which of them are notable, i find most of them borderline cases, and wish not to waste my time making an article on them. I think the two most notable are Durack and Burne, but i have little clue (i previously thought anything on ADB was notable =P). Cheers Twenty Years 15:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot brother Bear :)Twenty Years 15:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ive added some notes below each article, treated it like an AfD somewhat, thoughts? Twenty Years 08:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * major iceberg has just been hit! "Rene Lucien le Miere" an article WP:WA said i could create, was deleted by "Rebecca" - (admin i believe), i dont want to do stuff wrong, hence i am asking for your thoughts on the situation. I have written the article is sandbox 5. Cheers. Twenty Years 14:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It should be noted, i didnt actually create the article in mainspace, i went to paste it here, and it said..."article had been previously deleted" - just to clear that up. Twenty Years 14:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI (I did a restore/delete) the previous article just said he was a supreme court judge plus a stub and an unreferenced tag. Nothing there to salvage, no external info so just move it on over if Moondyne is happy with that. Gnangarra 15:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the deletion. Article was as described, "mass-created, cookie-cutter nanostubs with no useful content".  Its not enough to determine notability, you have to actually describe that in the article and conform to a reasonable level of content and referencing. &mdash;Moondyne 15:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am lost in the late night and the good cricket! this is a yes or no =P Twenty Years 16:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Kim Durack
Thats cool, but a way around this, is possibly this: If we create a page on the Durack family, couldnt info from the Kim Durack page be merged into that "Durack Family" article? There are countless Duracks (atleast 3 or 4 on ADB) and some ex-aquinians =P Thoughts? Twenty Years 16:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I must admit here, i have not a clue who makes up the Durack family, i am going to make a list in the bottom of Sandbox2 under Durack Family, and add the ones i know, if you can add any you know, thatd be much appreciated. Thanks alot. Twenty Years 16:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It best not be long. dont want it to be a case of TLDR :) Twenty Years 16:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

My compliments
Did it hit a nerve or was that something you had been working on elsewhere. either way its a good start. Gnangarra 08:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries I'll it as soon as the weather changes, sorry for hitting the nerve 8) Gnangarra 08:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The guy there today was fantastic, he's worth a followup visit just for a chat also he offered access to the jewish section when theres two people on. I was there until just after 1500. Gnangarra 14:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He opened up at about 1345 by 1400 i was taking photos down this area .... lol Gnangarra 14:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Age calculation template
Might I ask why this template uses commas between the year and date? I realize that that was the old way, but let's face it...if some is 114.32 years old, that's one number, not 114 years, 32/100ths days old. I find the comma to be a bit old-fashioned. In this modern-media world, who reads that slow?Ryoung122 04:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Maiden ODI Fifty
No that's no problem at all, i thought it was probably a bit arbitrary and pointless anyway and others had thought the same as well. Delete it unless someone can think of a better use of it Bizzmag 16:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Update - have tried editing to make it more appropriate. Bizzmag 20:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

One problem
With all the work thats gone into East Perth Cemeteries over the last few days, Karrakatta looks totally pathetic, once the rain breaks I'll go get picts of Karrakatta. Any I rated EPC as B think maybe it could go to WP:GA shortly as well. Gnangarra 01:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)