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James Aubrey Tregidgo
Early Life Correction James did not attend Windsor School. This school opened in the mid 1980s when he would have been in his late 30s. He did attend Windsor Boys School in Hamm which closed in 1983. I was there from 1961 - 1965. He was there in my final year when I was in the Upper Sixth.

John McLaren Hillsborough 1961-1965 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.164.216 (talk) 20:47, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, John McLaren Hillsborough 92.6.164.216, so corrected. Moonraker (talk) 05:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

It still has incorrect link to another Windsor Boys School in UK. WBS HAMM BAOR (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

North African hedgehog reference
I fixed an incomplete reference you added on 17 August 2015. Could you please verify that it is correct? --bender235 (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Perfect, ! I have added links to the two authors. Moonraker (talk) 13:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Newspaperarchive.com
You may wish to consider applying for Newspaperarchive.com. I found a lot of information about Clyde A. Lynch which I am unsure if you already obtained since many of your references were offline. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, good idea. Moonraker (talk) 03:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Happy Easter or whatever you celebrate
or: the resurrection of loving-kindness --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

We have two days in Germany, as you probably know, and loving-kindness is a good feature any day. Interesting article history, btw ;) - I discovered the piece when the composer was TFA, and of all his titles, that one attracted me most. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

... and today, similarly for a different composer, Credo, or this is the day from Psalm 118. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Clyde A. Lynch
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DYK nomination of Leal Douglas
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James Aubrey Tregidgo
James attended Windsor Boys School, Hamm, West Germany. The link is incorrect in that it relates to a different Windsor Boys School. I attended WBS Hamm from 1961 to 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WBS HAMM BAOR (talk • contribs) 20:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have corrected that. Moonraker (talk) 23:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:FAKE citation
I have found a passage at Princely states of Pakistan, apparently added by you some years ago, where the source says nothing resembling your content. I am removing it. If you have a better source please present it at the article's talk page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Very polite of you to let me know, . I do not have that book to hand, but I have added a correct citation. (Strictly speaking, it would be better for you to challenge the material by adding a tag first, before removing it some time later if no citation arrives.) Moonraker (talk) 09:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss it on the talk page first. I don't suppose I need to give you an WP:edit warring warning, do I? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am puzzled by this, . Are you an admin, and is the page in special protection or something of that kind? It is a good citation, and the tag was asking for one. Moonraker (talk) 09:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

ARBIPA sanctions reminder
Kautilya3 (talk) 10:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , please clarify, are you an admin, and what exactly are you objecting to? Moonraker (talk) 15:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please note that this is an alert, not an objection. I have already given you the ARBIPA sanctions alert in 2018, but you might have forgotten it. The alert says that you will be held accountable for following all the relevant Wikipedia policies. WP:NOR is at issue in your recent edits and debates. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * On your other question, I am not an admin. But I can invite an admin, if you want, to reinforce what I just said. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As you are not an admin,, you have a very high and mighty way of carrying on. The vague way you put that makes things even odder, what on earth is meant “WP:NOR is at issue in your recent edits and debates”? Do you have some particular complaint, or are you winging it? Moonraker (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , can you help? It appears I am unable to explain to this user that he cannot add WP:OR to articles. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , you are able to “explain” that, although there is no need, but I am asking you about your statement, and you are not replying. When you say “WP:NOR is at issue in your recent edits and debates”, what exactly are you referring to? Which edits? Which debates? Moonraker (talk) 16:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This edit and this debate, and your repeated attempts to ignore the differences between the sources and your content. And also your attempts to brush off the differences that are pointed out, such as "the word “precipitating” is not there,... but that is what happened" or "it is still pivotal to the course of events". What you are trying to do is to invert the WP:ONUS: instead of showing that your content is supported, you are expecting others to show that it is not supported. That is WP:Disruptive editing. If you continue this way, I am afraid I will have no choice but to ask for sanctions. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see . So you have given a diff for *one* edit, which was putting back text you removed which has been in the article (which, as it happens, I created) without any challenge for more than six years; and also providing a new citation for it. And you have linked *one* debate, with complaints which anyone can look at in their context. I do not agree with your points. And you have not replied to the key questions there. Please do feel free to “ask for sanctions”, but I struggle to see you getting very far. Moonraker (talk) 17:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Hi Moonraker. I wouldn't make too much about getting an ARB sanctions reminder. They are merely for informational purposes and pretty much everyone who edits on India/Pakistan pages gets them once every year. (No comment on the content dispute.) --regentspark (comment) 17:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . A general sanctions reminder to everyone is no problem, it’s what comes with it. Actually, it would be helpful if you could take a look at the thread being complained about and say something. When two people are not agreeing, another voice is usually needed to come up with a way forward. Moonraker (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll pass on that. I don't have access to a physical library (for obvious reasons) and am not keen to opine based on searches inside a google book. But, this should be fairly straightforward anyway. Kautilya3 is questioning the source so all that is needed are a few exact quotes from the book that support the various statements in the disputed text. --regentspark (comment) 01:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of George Robinson (bookseller)
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Template:Did you know nominations/George Robinson (bookseller)
Hi, I promoted your hook to Prep 6. I just don't understand why you're giving the equivalent in 2019 pounds, as opposed to saying "equivalent to this-and-this amount today". I'm not sure how to adjust the conversion template. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don’t understand your point. The equivalent value isn’t cited, the only authority it has comes from trusting the template, which for some unknown reason produces a figure for 2019. If you don’t want that ending, you can of course just delete it. Moonraker (talk) 21:38, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But that would ruin the hook. How can we write "today" instead of "2019"? Yoninah (talk) 21:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I see, if you want to keep it but update it then the United Kingdom inflation rate 2019/2020 is 1.5 per cent, you could just multiply the £57,867 by 1.015, which gives “equivalent to £58,735 today”. Moonraker (talk) 21:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yoninah (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have changed what the article says and added a new note to cover it. Moonraker (talk) 22:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! Thanks again, Yoninah (talk) 22:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for a god one, drinking to hopeful stats. I had the image slot yesterday, and it worked ;) - Couldn't believe he had no article in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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Nomination of Reigate St Mary's School for deletion
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Olga Yurievskaya
Moonraker, there's something odd in the Titles and styles section: the second of the three entries has a date range that ends in 1959, decades after she died. I would suspect that the ending date would be the date of her marriage to Pushkin, but there might be something else going on here, or overlapping time frames, so if you could adjust this, that would be great, especially since the DYK nomination has just been promoted to prep. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, well spotted ! I have corrected it. I recognize the date that was there, it is when her sister died, just carelessness on my part. Moonraker (talk) 22:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Olga Yurievskaya
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DYK for Leicester House, Westminster
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ISI
ClemRutter, the section headed "Inspection" is about the latest ISI report. Ofsted doesn’t inspect prep schools, but it monitors the work of the ISI, which works under a Department for Education license. You may think the "School day" section reads like promotional material? It is cited from the school web site and a non-school source and is only there as useful information. As it happens, I have no connection with the school. Moonraker (talk) 00:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Could you raise the issue at Template talk:Infobox school as there is no way at present to link to the ISI report- or indeed GIAS at the moment. --ClemRutter (talk) 10:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no way to integrate ISI reports into Infobox school because ISI make it particularly opaque to get access. Th report referenced in the article is not even hosted on the ISI website, but on a non-affiliated website. There is nothing to validate it's authenticity or accuracy. ISI and Ofsted are not equivalent. ISI schedules its inspections a year at a time. Ofsted announces its inspections with a max 4-days notice. Ofsted is a government agency. ISI is a company owned by its directors. Fob.schools (talk) 12:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , forgive me if I don’t raise it there, I don’t see a big advantage in a link from an info box. I agree with that the ISI is quite grudging about putting its reports online. I do think if a report is linked from the school’s page at isi.net, we can rely on it being authentic, but for me the reports are just sources. Moonraker (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your welcome message, Moonraker! How thoughtful :) FrenchAmbassador (talk) 16:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Geology of Wiltshire
Thanks for your message re: Geology of Wiltshire. I have now moved out of Somerset (onto Gloucestershire/Wilts border). I may be able to get to it at some point but I'm taking some holiday at present.&mdash; Rod talk 08:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I might try to make a start,, but unlikely to get far. Moonraker (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for John Whitworth (musician)
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DYK for Reigate St Mary's School
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DYK for Lewis Lochée
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... with thanks for a steady flow of interesting people! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hainer Hill
I have a translation challenge for you, again, the lines on the grave stone of Hainer Hill. I tried, but am sure you can improve, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, I have tweaked it a little, Gerda. The main point is that in English light on stage is always called lighting, because it is subtle and contrived, and Hill was drawing our attention to that. Moonraker (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Did you know that I had to consult the first drawer of program books to look the old works up? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * A first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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A good one, and made the stats. - music today, - enchanting, said a critic about the Mendelssohn that I heard on 3 October, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore as she played for us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

16 October memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Beautiful Main page today, don't miss the pic by a blocked user (of a 2013 play critical of refugee politics), nor a related video, interviews mostly German, but music and scene. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joseph Clark (painter)
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DYK for Joseph Benwell Clark
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DYK for Exeter Cathedral School
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Nomination of Ben Mitchell (rugby union) for deletion
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DYK for Franz Goedecker
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thank you for another good one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

AfD etiquette
Per your comment here, it is a discussion, but per WP:AFDEQ and WP:DISCUSSAFD: comments (for keep or delete) should be backed with evidence and should not be personal attacks. So in a way, yes, it is a court. We, the jury, evaluate the evidence against notability guidelines and a closer comes to a verdict. It is not a vote. Comments without evidence, and especially those that only use WP:ATA statements, will likely not be considered a valid argument by an experienced closer. In other words, a "vote" that has evidence is weighted more heavily than a "vote" that does not (and even more so if the comment does not address the subject at all, such as the comment I linked where your "keep" vote was that the nominator was acting in bad faith). Perhaps giving a good read over at Articles for deletion could be of some benefit? Just because a page is nominated for deletion does not mean nominators can't make mistakes and a good dive into the sources can be beneficial to the article and the project in general. The nominator in this case has already acknowledged they should not have done that many at the same time, so no need to beat a dead horse there. Yosemiter (talk) 05:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You are the one beating a dead horse,, not to mention making a personal attack. An AfD is not a court, and if you say it is then I do not see anyone agreeing with you. The word you want here may be “reasoning”, and I would certainly agree that is far better than making noise. But your using the word evidence to suggest some ultra-formal process cuts no ice with me. Moonraker (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * From Articles for deletion: Remember that while AfD may look like a voting process, it does not operate like one. Justification and evidence for a response carries far more weight than the response itself. Those are not my words. I am just trying to help you since you seem unfamiliar with the AfD process based on your oppose statements instead of the normal keep. If more editors are involved in finding good sources during AfD discussions, then Wikipedia would be better overall. Yosemiter (talk) 06:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , some Wikipedia users clearly spend a lot of their time in AfD discussions, and I agree I am not one of those. This time around, I was drawn in because the nominator was wanting to delete an article I had created, as well as a huge number of others. When challenged, that particular AfD was speedily withdrawn. I stand by my criticisms. On “evidence”, in my humble opinion the word is the wrong one in the context, even if some guidance uses it. Moonraker (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Autumn
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Article Two
Thanks for that last fix! I should have compared the sentence in the article and the quote in the dissent more carefully, instead of just "oh this is the line" copy-paste-done. I appreciate you making it accurate. Schazjmd  (talk)  01:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Emma Watson
Hi. First of all, I think replacing "as a child" is wrong because the sentence emphasizes about the first (and most popular) role in whole HP series. WP:TABLOID saying "Routine news reporting of announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." and "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are." shows that every single relationship and partnership news is not notable. Also, as WP:BLP states, "Avoid gossip and feedback loops". For example, according to The Hollywood Reporter, Johnny Depp dated Keira Knightley, Ellen Barkin, Marion Cotillard, and Angelina Jolie, but none of them is mentioned anywhere even though all of these people are considered notable. So, not every information is enyclopedic, especially most of the sources are unreliable and the rest of the sources talk about it as "rumored romance". Take care. nyxærös 15:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Stephen Borthwick (schoolmaster)


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DYK for Robert Stanton (merchant)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Portraits of the English royal family


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 * Hello, Moonraker,
 * If you want Category:Portraits of the British Royal Family, the existing category, to be merged with Category:Portraits of the English royal family, you must propose the change at Categories for Discussion. CFD is the correct forum to propose category mergers, deletions or renames. Please do not empty out existing categories into newly created ones that duplicate content. Liz Read! Talk! 23:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don’t. The point is that the kings of England (or England and Wales) were not kings of Britain. There was no Britishness at that time except Welshness. Moonraker (talk) 16:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)