User talk:Moonraker/Archive 2

DYK for Thomas Dacre, 4th Baron Dacre
Materialscientist (talk) 14:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

United Kingdom of Great Britain versus Kingdom of Great Britain
Hi there. I've tried to edit the article in a way I hope is acceptable to you - are you happy with the version as it now stands? I will post the text of the Scottish Act of Union if I can find it as it clearlu uses the phrase 'United Kingdom' and it was written contemporaneously. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 16:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Fishiehelper2, this note suggests you can't find an online text. See here the text of the Scottish Act of Union, which does indeed refer repeatedly to a "United Kingdom of Great Britain" and a "United Kingdom", but that didn't make either the name of the country, as the Acts provide clearly for the name to be "Great Britain", and as a matter of fact the new entity did not call itself "United Kingdom". The same Act also says "...that all Papists and persons marrying Papists, shall be excluded from and forever incapable to inherit possess or enjoy the Imperial Crown of Great Britain". No one could rely on that as good evidence that the Crown was to be called (or ever was called) "the Imperial Crown of Great Britain", which it wasn't. As John Adams wrote in 1774, "This language 'the imperial crown of Great Britain,' is not the style of the common law but of court sycophants..."
 * It will be helpful for all of these matters to be explained objectively at Wikipedia, but where I become very uneasy is when users here begin to fight to change the name of a historical reality retrospectively. It may seem innocent, but it is almost invariably motivated by political purposes. Names are critically important. Indeed, Walt Whitman said on geography that "Names are Magic". Moonraker2 (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Humphrey Dacre, 1st Baron Dacre
Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 02:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Edmundson
Thanks from the DYK project and me Victuallers (talk) 09:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pippa Middleton


The article Pippa Middleton has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No evidence of notability

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 * Thanks for the information, I have disagreed. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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 * CorenSearchBot's copyvio tag is nonsense and I have removed it. Moonraker2 (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Christopher Villiers, 1st Earl of Anglesey
Dravecky (talk) 17:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Harry Arthur Saintsbury
The DYK project (nominate) 06:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Loaded terms
"The word 'defamatory', is not a 'loaded term', it has a precise meaning which I understand rather well. I might respectfully point out that where some of us live defamation is a criminal offence, which should make it rather hard to justify. I see no one has replied to what I said about a double standard. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)"

Yes, it is. Both you and Nina need to temper your remarks when referring to other editors. It is unproductive and does you no credit. Tom Reedy (talk) 21:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Complete double standard. Your own obsessive use of personal attacks does you no credit. Moonraker2 (talk) 08:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Moonraker2. I'm not sure how much time you have spent in the corners of Wikipedia that deal with procedures and disputes. I made my "loaded terms" comment here to alert those involved that there is a strict prohibition on using language that might be interpreted as legal intimidation. I have spent quite a long time perusing noticeboards and so on, and I am just trying to avoid trouble in the SAQ area. Any kind of legalistic language can have an intimidating effect on other editors, and such language usually leads to a block. I realize that you are continuing the discussion in an effort to support another editor, and as I said, that is commendable. However, I have a good understanding of the policy issues and I assure you that editors must not make claims of defamation, and editors must not repeat claims that an editor is performing personal attacks without providing evidence. Please read Perceived legal threats for information about "defamation", and What is considered to be a personal attack? to see that personal attacks include Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Please take my message as a suggestion about how comments need to be made. I have no reason to post this other than to provide information to a fellow editor. If you would like to reply, please do so here (there is no need to alert me on my talk page). Johnuniq (talk) 09:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * If there is "a strict prohibition on using language that might be interpreted as legal intimidation", that can hardly apply to someone who would have no ability to pursue such litigation, not being the object of the remarks complained of. You seem quite untroubled by the actual defamation itself, which is beyond doubt. There should equally be a strict prohibition on using defamatory language against other users, and I have no doubt there is. You should focus any grievances on the offenders and not on those who object to the use of such extreme personal abuse. Moonraker2 (talk) 09:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, but you will notice that I have not got excited about the issue—I am not claiming any major problem has occurred. I just wanted to alert you to the fact that whatever our personal opinions, there is a strong prohibition against using certain lines of argument. Likewise, if you notice me say something inappropriate about the SAQ or anything else, please tell me so I will know to avoid similar problems in the future. The policies about editor interaction are WP:CIVIL (be collaborative), WP:NPA (even a single attack is prohibited), and WP:HARASS (a pattern of attacks is totally unacceptable). Finally, WP:NLT is an absolute prohibition against any form of language that might lead to legal intimidation of other editors. Whereas we might have opinions about what one editor should say about another editor, those opinions should not cause anyone to break these four firm policies.
 * Regarding the issue: I am not sure your "extreme personal abuse" is an accurate summation of the situation. I certainly do not want to be involved in anything like that, and if I were to notice it, I would feel obliged to raise the matter somewhere. If editor X takes some action, it is acceptable for other editors to comment negatively on the action. It may turn out that X's action was correct, and those editors who commented negatively were wrong. Nevertheless, good-faith and civil comments, particularly those supported by evidence, are fine. If X repeats their actions without establishing any kind of consensus for their merits, it is perfectly acceptable to describe the situation as "disruptive". We should not say that X is disruptive: it is the pattern of repeated against-consensus behavior that is claimed to be disruptive.
 * To support a claim of "extreme personal abuse", you would need to provide several examples of exactly what is meant (or one example of outrageous abuse which I'm sure has not occurred). We do not have to resolve our differences—I'm just trying to explain my understanding of the appropriate procedures. In particular, certain expressions are strongly discouraged, if not prohibited (legal intimidation in particular, but also claims of wrong doing without accompanying evidence).
 * As you are clearly concerned about the issue, I would be happy to continue discussing what abuse you consider has occurred. If you want, feel free to email me. Johnuniq (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Jardine Paterson
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bengal Chamber of Commerce and Industry
The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Papal conclave, 1740
The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Please be cautious about the attribution of such statements. Given that the conclaves are secret, a quote attributed to him in a dictionary (a tertiary source), does not have very great credibility, particularly as that dictionary does not state the source it drew upon for that quote. 216.239.89.116 (talk) 14:29, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You may prefer the Catholic Encyclopedia? Moonraker2 (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James Cecil, 4th Earl of Salisbury
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration
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Thanks, and if you are aware of any other parties who might be usefully added, please note them. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy 10th Anniversary of Wikipedia!
 Happy 10th anniversary of Wikipedia! Hey Bzuk  (contribs) has bought you a whisky! Sharing a whisky is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a whisky, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Enjoy!

Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. Bzuk (talk) 15:33, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: your comment on User:Bishonen/Further RfAR statement
Please refrain from commenting directly on other parties' statements (especially in userspace), as you have done on User:Bishonen/Further RfAR statement. If you have a response to a statement, you can add it to your statement on the request itself. ( X! ·  talk )  · @187  · 03:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * We seem to have cross-posted. I shall copy the exchange to the request page, if you prefer the material there. My own comments would be out of context if copied without yours. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Disruption
(edit conflict) So how about these comments, do they help your context any? How dare you come to my userspace with your name-calling? What the hell were you doing in my statement? Aren't you an established editor? Do you really not know any better? Kindly peruse the instructions on the Arbitration/Requests/Case page (they come up in edit mode) and apply them to the whole of my statement, as it's part of the Case Request. Remove your bloody interference immediately. Bishonen | talk 03:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC).


 * You added this post at 03:34, not at 03:05. Why is an incorrect time stated? Moonraker2 (talk) 03:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No idea, but it must be a conspiracy! Bishonen | talk 04:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC).
 * Actually, I worked it out. You copied and pasted the whole thing from your user space, including the signature. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't take the sig along. But I got two edit conflicts when I tried to post here—one from X and one from you. Perhaps, getting impatient and careless, I copied the whole + sig one of those times, to paste into the top window. It's still odd, though, because the whole thing can't have taken half an hour. Speaking of odd, what's with your odd invention on the Arbitration/Requests/Case page? "I am copying this material here at the suggestion of Bishonen on my talk page." Where do you see that suggestion? User:X, the clerk, suggested it. Bishonen | talk 04:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC).
 * I thought you had said on this page above "If you have a response to a statement, you can add it to your statement on the request itself." But I see now the comment wasn't by you and will make a correction on the Arbitration/Requests/Case page. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Shakespeare authorship question opened
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare authorship question/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare authorship question/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, AGK  [&bull; ] 15:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gilbert Ledward
Materialscientist (talk) 18:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Help, please.
Can you help me sourcing and wikifying these articles? Bamber Gascoyne, Bamber Gascoyne (senior) (Was he really a First Lord of the Admiralty as the picture says? If so, then he should have the correspondent infobox.), Bamber Gascoyne (junior), Isaac Gascoyne and Chase Price. Thank you. Konakonian (talk) 18:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC) Should the article Margaret Percy (1447) be deleted? Should her husband, a Knight, have one instead? Konakonian (talk) 18:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Wiltshire Council
I reverted your edit, as the figures you changed were correct. A Conservative resigned and was replaced by another Conservative. Moonraker2 (talk) 17:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you got a reference for that? The wiltshire council website election results indicate 62 conservatives. Thanks--PhilMacD (talk) 16:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See Wiltshire local elections. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the invitation, I'll read about it. Moonraker2 (talk) 00:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds great! If you have any questions feel free to ask, Sadads (talk) 03:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Max Mosley
Hi. There has been an argument over the article on Max Mosley, son of the 6th Baronet Mosley, over something so simple as whether if we should include the name of his parents in law, or father in law, and information on his own children. They even claim he's not nobility. It's a false question, but some people, from outside lineages' issues, insists in not adding them. The discussion was brought up by User:4u1e on User talk:Konakonian, Talk:Max Mosley and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. I'd thank you that you'd join with your good judgement. Konakonian (talk) at 195.245.149.70 (talk) 17:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Prince Sozisa Dlamini
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 06:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Günther von Reibnitz
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Baron Latymer and Baron Latimer
you made a comment here that Baron Latymer and Baron Latimer are different please could you explain in more detail with reliable sources here so we can put this one to bed? -- PBS (talk) 10:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have replied there. Moonraker2 (talk) 10:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Since you have not been participating in the discussion and have taken it upon yourself to distinguish Baron Latimer and Baron Latymer as completely different please see: Baron Latymer and Baron Latimer. Thank you. -- Lady Meg (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Contact
I was hoping you might contact me by email. I wanted to give you some references. I'm at smatprt@aol.com Smatprt (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note, Smatprt. If it's just references, would it be possible for you to give them to me here? Moonraker2 (talk) 16:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Kildare Street club
I've only been inside it once. My interest was the architecture and design of the building, not the club - though actually even that's more my wife's speciality. She wrote briefly about it in one of our books. We have quite a bit of literature at home on Woodward and Deane and the O'Sheas. Paul B (talk) 12:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Lane (barrister)
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   06:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Benedict Nichols
Thank you for your new article Victuallers (talk) 12:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Il Guerrin Meschino
Do you have a quick citation for those early editions, which were a welcome addition. BL catalog? I changed editio princeps to Padua to suit your listing. Thanks.--Wetman (talk) 07:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I had a go at it. I have found a limited online text of Cursietti's edition here. Moonraker2 (talk) 10:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. I had no clue.--Wetman (talk) 03:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Old Fooians etc
Thank you for your message, but I am unfortunately past caring what happens to these categories. I am largely past caring what happens at CfD generally, to tell the truth! BencherliteTalk 11:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not really sure what I think. I drafted this: Weak support for rename to Category:People educated at X. This is the clearest method. It's a great shame to ditch the idiosyncratic and charming Old Wykehamist etc, but I do like a bit of internal consistency in my categories (eg, see Category:Deaths in sport for an awful mess). Makes them easier to work with. 'Alumni' for 'school pupils' is quite horrid and should be avoided at all costs. (Some hours later, I was disturbed to find this.) Thanks for notifying me, tho'. Ericoides (talk) 16:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kildare Street Club
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Daly's Club
Orlady (talk) 00:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Montague James Mathew
Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Hildyard
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare authorship question closed
An arbitration case regarding the Shakespeare authorship question has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
 * 1) Standard discretionary sanctions are enacted for all articles related to the Shakespeare authorship question;
 * 2) is banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year;
 * 3) NinaGreen is topic-banned indefinitely from editing any article relating (broadly construed) to the Shakespeare authorship question, William Shakespeare, or Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford;
 * 4) The Arbitration Committee endorses the community sanction imposed on . Thus, Smatprt remains topic-banned from editing articles relating to William Shakespeare, broadly construed, for one year from November 3, 2010.

For the Arbitration Committee, AGK  [&bull; ] 20:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Pippa Middleton for deletion
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Arslanbob
Thank you Moonraker. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 05:51, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Patrick Marriott
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of George James Bruere
Hello! Your submission of George James Bruere at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Donald Albury 11:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Octavius Wigram
Orlady (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George James Bruere
Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 02:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Guy Fawkes' Night nursery rhyme.
I noticed you and Parrot of Doom were trying to find a source for the Guy Fawkes nursery rhyme. I have a source for you. Iona and Peter Opie, "The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren" OUP, 1959. Page 282 in my paperback edition. And they cite "Juvenile Amusements" 1797, no 50, as well as other sources of the same period. Is this what you were looking for? I've sent the same message to Parrot of Doom. MidlandLinda (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Posthumous Hoby
NW ( Talk ) 00:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Threaded discussion on the WP:ARBSAQ page
Hello Moonraker2. See my update here. I removed the threaded discussion after talking with AGK, one of the clerks, since this is an Arbcom case page. If your concerns are not sufficiently addressed, feel free to copy the entire thread to SPI or to a noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 15:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For now, I am pursuing this at User talk:Versageek. Moonraker2 (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Claude Arnulphy
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Edward Stuart, Count Roehenstart
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Goðrmaðray
Any chance of a source for your edit to Hebrides? Cheers. Ben  Mac  Dui  09:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Leopold von Mildenstein
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DYK for Hezekiah Holland (minister)
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Xenoclea
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DYK for Henry Thomson (painter)
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Main verb
Hi there, just wondering if you could help us sort out a grammatical tickler over at Ben MacDui's talk page; I feel sure you'd know what is correct. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 10:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Pippa Middleton
Please review the discussion at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. You are welcome to contribute to that discussion, however the material in question must not be readded to the article without consensus. (And I'd say not at all - but you are welcome to debate that at the noticeboard.)--Scott Mac 08:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You add that again without consensus, I WILL block you.--Scott Mac 23:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I failed to read your previous note. If you could be less aggressive on my talk page, it would be appreciated. Moonraker2 (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

B. H. Liddell-Hart
Hi. Do you have a source for the family info you added to this article? Because it's of a personal nature, I reverted it pending a citation from a reliable source, so if you have one, please undo my reversion & add the cite. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Guy Fawkes Night
If like me you still think there needs to be more on current Guy Fawkes Night commemorations them please leave a message on Featured article candidates/Guy Fawkes Night/archive1. If you don't then comments to that affect would also be appreciated. -- PBS (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

AfD Middleton family started
Dear Moonraker! As you suggested, I have now started an AfD procedure for the article Middleton family. So, you are hereby welcome to contribute to that discussion and voting. See Articles for deletion/Middleton family (2nd nomination). Best regards, Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 11:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

RFC discussion of User:Philip Baird Shearer
A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of. You are invited to comment on the discussion at    :Requests for comment/Philip Baird Shearer. -- Parrot of Doom 10:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Moonraker, this matter has been open and discussed for over a month with all parties (who have cared to) making various comments, as you know; it seems to me it should be closed. I didn't know the procedure as to same. What are your thoughts? Kierzek (talk) 15:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, Kierzek. After PBS made a long response to the RfC, all seemed to go quiet there, and for me that was a healthy development. In principle, I agree with what you say, although I too don't know the best way to proceed, but my guess is that any attempt to close the RfC at the moment is likely to lead to battle lines being drawn up again. As PBS is mostly away from his station at the moment, I am supposing we are into a period of masterly inactivity. How do you feel about letting sleeping dogs lie for now? Moonraker (talk) 23:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Kierzek (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Moonrakers
Sorry for deleting your contibution. (I assume it was me.) I must have been caught in a double edit conflict somehow. Ian Spackman (talk) 11:01, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that, apology accepted. Moonraker2 (talk) 11:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

John Tilley (Sir) Three marriages
Hi Moonraker2,

I don't want to re-edit your recent edit on Arthur August Tilley but would like to ask you to consider the following information and then amend your latest revision:

Sir John Tilley married Cecilia Frances Trollope on 4th February 1939, Bryanstone Square Marylebone (I have a copy of the entry of marriage). They had 4 children which I have been able to verify to this point: Frances Trollope Tilley b. 1840 (d. believed around 1850 but not verified). Cecilia Isabel Tilley b. 1840 d. 1850. Anna Jane Tilley b. Sep 1842 d. 1850. Arthur William Tilley b. 1845 d. 1850. Edith Diane Mary Tilley b. 1846 d. 1925. Cecilia Frances died 1849.

Sir John then married Mary Ann Partington in 1850. They had Arthur Augustus Tilley.

Sir John then married Susannah Anderson Mongomerie in 1861 and had William George Tilley b. 1863 (no further details known) and John Tilley (John Anthony Cecil Tilly) b. 1869 d. 1952.

I hope you don't mind me asking you to correct it, but just going back on and correcting what you have written seems kind of churlish and I wanted to explain to you why I believe your information is not correct. If you need me to send you copies of birth certificates, baptism registrations etc. let me know.

Best wishes JCTilley (talk) 21:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Tilley
Thank you Moonraker2. This is kind of scary because of the citations and verifiability. I can verify some of the details on John Anthony Cecil Tilley page through documents I hold (passport for example) but these are obviously not in the public domain. My understanding is, that I can not use this to verify what I have written. Am I correct?

I'm plodding through creating a page for Sir John Tilley Secretary of the General Post Office as no-one has written about him yet and having been married to Cecilia Trollope and having a distinguished career in the post office and being a close friend of Anthony Trollope I think the links are very interesting. I'm just very slow with getting the citations right. I'm sure I will have some more questions if that is OK with you. JCTilley (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for St Andrew's School, Pangbourne
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Tilley
Many Thanks Moonraker2 - going through the documents held and they will eventually be deposited in "open sources". —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCTilley (talk • contribs) 10:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Graham (of Levens)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Bedford
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sir John Crampton, 2nd Baronet
Hi. There was already an article on this person at John Fiennes Twisleton Crampton. Could you please merge the two. Regards, Tryde (talk) 13:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Have now done. Moonraker2 (talk) 05:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Number 2
Congratulations, that reads better. But I'm still the daddy! --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, old man. Yes, indeed, my promotion happened this morning. I was just thinking of letting you know. Many thanks for the congratulations. Moonraker (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: DYK nomination of Juliusz Karol Kunitzer
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Hi! Thanks for your comments on this; I've got it done, finally. It's here if you want to check it over. Regards, Xyl 54 (talk) 14:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

PS I posted this before, but I've no idea where it went, so I'm repeating it; if it turns up somewhere else, that's the reason. Cheers, Xyl 54 (talk) 14:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. You somehow posted this before at User_talk:Moonraker2. Moonraker (talk) 02:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So I did! I think what happened is that I followed the “to leave a new message…” bar at the top of your page instead of simply using the “new section” option, and didn’t pay enough attention to the screen when it came up. Still, ne’r mind, ayh! Xyl 54 (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * PS Congrats on the promotion, BTW! And sorry this reply is so late; I've not been about much recently. Xyl 54 (talk) 14:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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Kingdom of Great Britain
I've reverted your edit on the above. I don't know whether you saw it, but I've explained in talk why I had changed it. Basically it doesn't comply with the WP:MOS which says the article should open with the bolded title of the article. But also to assert without secondary sources (i.e. WP:Reliable sources) that "Great Britain" is correct and "Kingdom of Great Britain" is "less correct" is original research based on an interpretation of a primary source, the Acts of Union. I happen to think that interpretation is wrong. But that is irrelevant, it's still original research unless you can get secondary sources to support what you say. I can go into why I think your interpretation is wrong if you would like, but, as I say, that is irrelevant in the absence of secondary sources. DeCausa (talk) 08:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies, you did post on the Talk discussion. I missed it because you omitted the signature. I'll post the above there as well. DeCausa (talk) 08:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Kaiserliche Marine/ German Imperial Navy
Hello, Moonraker. I have reverted your move of the above article for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, the German term (much like Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe) are used extensively in English-language sources. I have read extensively on the German navy in the Imperial era, and rarely see the term translated (unlike Hochseeflotte and I Geschwader, etc., which usually are translated). Secondly, moves that are likely to be contentious should always be discussed first, even if it's just on the talk page (as opposed to through a formal requested move, for instance). If you would like to discuss the article title, I will be happy to do so with you, either here or on the article talk page. Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 00:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm watching your talk page, so you can reply here if you like.
 * From my own reading, "Imperial Navy", "Imperial German Navy", and "German Imperial Navy", are more prevalent than "Kaiserliche Marine", and I see that the "further reading" list in the article includes two English language titles, which both seem to confirm this view ("By Order of the Kaiser, Otto von Diedrichs and the Rise of the Imperial German Navy 1865-1902" and "'Luxury Fleet', The Imperial German Navy 1888-1918"). No doubt the best thing is to discuss it on the talk page. Moonraker (talk) 00:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine to me. Parsecboy (talk) 00:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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William Terriss
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 * Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No trouble. Moonraker (talk) 22:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

MP or politician
Hi Moonraker. I noticed you just renamed an article qualifier from "MP" to "politician" claiming naming convention. What is this naming convention and what is its rationale? MP is the most familiar term used for these people in the UK and has a long history of use. Since the 13th century many MPs have been landowners lawyers etc who just happened to get elected to parliament - not career politicians as that term implies. And MP means specifically a representative at the England|Britain|UK national level and distinguishes well from the USA which does not have MPs. References always invariably refer to these people as MPs. Furthermore it is tiresome and more error prone to have to type ten letters instead of two. Now funnily enough these are exactly the objections I have raised in the debates about renaming categories relating to English schools! The difference is that I can and do choose not to use categories - especially those starting "People...", whereas it is not so easy to avoid lengthy and inappropriate article names. As a matter of inconsistency I note that MP categories are labelled precisely that - ie "Category:UK MPs 1885-1886". If that lot get wind of this we will end up with "Category:Politicians of the United Kingdom parliament from 1885 to 1886" subsequently revised to "Category:Lawmakers in the parliament of the United Kingdom from 1885 to 1886". Regards Motmit (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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List of Old Cliftonians
Thanks for the note - membership of the OCS is virtually universal as the membership fee is included in the termly fee notes - so whilst theoretically someone could elect not to join, it is a lot of hassle - why do you think that many past and present members are not members of OCS? As an OC myself this is not my experience! That being said I have no particularly strong views on how its done aas long as the information is preserved.  Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere!  (Whisper...) 09:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Some suggestions for further detail:
 * Some sort of mention of the relationship between the colonists and Whitehall, incl. mention of the Board of Trade (in its various permutations).
 * On a related note, the Crown's attempts to bring (in particular) the American colonies under control:
 * the use of quo warranto and scire facias to void the old charters;
 * the attempted establishment of the Dominion of New England;
 * the replacement of chartered colonies with royal colonies.
 * On a sort-of related note, mercantilism and the Navigation Acts.
 * You note a couple of the West Indian islands as being settled from neighbouring islands, but I think this also applied to a number of others?
 * A mention of the Earl of Carlisle's proprietary grant in the Caribbean.
 * The establishment of representative assemblies.
 * The introduction of slavery into the American and West Indian colonies.
 * On a related note, the importance of cash crops such as tobacco and sugar, as well as timber and fisheries.
 * More specific mention of the religious factor in the founding/governance of Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Maryland, and Pennsylvania in particular.
 * No mention of Bantam as yet.
 * Calcutta wasn't established from scratch, but was the replacement for an inland settlement (whose name escapes me).
 * Also, your lists of English settlements, etc. for each region don't seem to be in any particular order? A chronological sequence seems the best approach to me, although what date should be chosen in some cases seems to be something left to a flip of a coin!
 * Hm. What was only going to be a small handful of notes got away from me!  Best wishes, Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 11:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC).

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