User talk:Mor2/archive1

Warning
Regarding your contributions to Operation Pillar of Cloud, this edit is not consistent with WP:NPOV. These edits ] areWP:OR, not supported by the cited sources. If you think something is wrong with the article, you need to find a WP:Reliable Source. Do not simply adapt the text based on your own personal opinion of the topic. the first two edits substantially undid the work of other editors so they represent multiple reverts of other users within a single 24 hour period thus in breach of the 1rr restriction on all articles related to the Israel/Palestine conflict. Dlv999 (talk) 14:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You were already in breach of 1rr on the article prior to your latest revert of Reliable sources and well sourced material. Aside from the violation of 1rr,  Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources for other wiklipedia articles (see WP:CIRCULAR. Deleting well sourced material citing another Wikipedia article as your justification is not consistent with our policies. I advice you to self revert. Dlv999 (talk) 16:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the sources, I made the edit before I was aware you answered on the topic here(I thought you'd answer me on mine). As for the other edit, you posted about on my page. First of all it is not cited (see the links provided) and second it is misleading, implying that gaza poor economic situation is a direct result of the blockade and about the hamas motives. Because while the blockade was a contributing factor, the reason for their poor situation was their dependency on Israel in all.(jobs, infrastructure etc) as for hamas motives it would take more than the couple o words in that paragraph to put it context. So I think that we should stick with the info in the lead of Gaza–Israel conflict + the previous operation. --Mor2 (talk) 17:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The cited source you deleted says: "The economic and humanitarian situation in the enclave has been precarious since Israel imposed an economic embargo after Hamas seized power in 2007, ending a power-sharing deal with the secular Fatah party of president Mahmud Abbas. Under its blockade, Israel controls all goods entering the Gaza Strip, except those smuggled through tunnels under the border with Egypt."
 * So the material you deleted was sourced, and accurately reflect the source material. You justified deleting the material by pointing to another wikipedia article. You were in breach of 1rr before you even made the edit, so you should not be reverting any edits, even if you had good reason, which you clearly didn't. Dlv999 (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You are right, it was hiding in the second source, I guess Ctrl+F failed me. Regardless, not everything which is cited is relevant. I think this information is not consistent with the WP:NPOV rule you mentioned. This is another conflict between the two, I see no reason to add anything beyond of the Gaza–Israel_conflict and the last conflict. Also I followed up on the 1rr rule you mentioned, considering that this is the first time I touched the economy part of this section(the part you reverted, we discussed, I consided and added citation and another guy helped to re-arrange), so the way I see it, I am well withing the "1rr rule". If you want to start a discussion about this, please feel free todo so. This is becoming to much like a second job. --Mor2 (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

You have repeatedly ignored warnings. You again deleted an RS and reliably sourced information in breach of 1rr. This is your final warning, the next time I am going to file a report asking for you to be sanctioned. Dlv999 (talk) 09:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I have rebuilt that section following the timeline in the references provided. The section was literally built upside down going from last to first. As for this specific event, using your own source, it is clearly stated "As the violence intensified, the death toll on both sides rose. Gaza medical officials said 18 Palestinians there had been killed since the offensive began, including an 8-month-old girl whose house was shelled Thursday afternoon, according to her grandfather.' which place her out of the 15th section! --Mor2 (talk) 09:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * NM, my mistake I thought that 15th was Wednesday. Still this source didn't fit the timeline in the section, since there was no Palestinian casualties before the IDF strike in the afternoon, so the event was misplaced. Also looking at the other 3 references, we have account of 7 dead and 2 children. 1 dead and 18 dead. So the girl is already accounted, in the 2 children part. So how do you want to proceed leave it as is, change to "2 children, one of them a little girl" or you have a source with different numbers? --Mor2 (talk) 09:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, please stop with that 1rr badgering. I haven't reverted anyone edits or gone on any edit wars. I am trying to improve the article and use the talk page for the rest. If you encounter a mistake I made, simply point it out, as you can see here and your page, I have addressed them.--Mor2 (talk) 09:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You deleted reliably sourced information added by another editor. That is a revert. You have been given fair warning, so I will not "badger you" again. The next time I will simply file a report. Dlv999 (talk) 09:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I am happy to work together toward improving the article and your pointers are very wellcome. I am just annoyed by this 1rr thing, you kept waving, that as a new guys I do not understand. I have been following the article and talk page in the last couple days and I have not "reverted" anything in that section. Unless by reverting you mean editing anything at all, in which case yes like many others I have been "reverting". I suspect that the lack of comment on the section as whole (not just one edit out ~10) you realized that it is up to standard and include all the information from 15th. --Mor2 (talk) 12:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

one of your recent edits on the pillar of defense article
Hi Mor2 - in this edit you restored a sentence fragment I had recently removed from the article. There are several problems with this. It's a sentence fragment, it's written in a non-neutral manner, and the 'source' you added is not at all a sufficient source. I'm not going to revert your edit for now, but would ask you to do so - or at least to rewrite it in a neutral way and add an appropriate source. Since you're new here, you may benefit from reading over WP:NPOV and WP:NOR (especially WP:SYNTH) to get a better idea of how we approach writing content, as well as our policy about what we consider to be reliable sources. Thanks, Kevin Gorman (talk) 07:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Kevin Gorman (talk) 07:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sepsis II (talk • contribs) 15:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

The Map
I'd like to inform you that on the talk page of Operation Pillar of Defense, I added a topic regarding a new map from Reuters that I found. You should consider the map's details and possibly consider editing the current map on the article.--24.246.112.51 (talk) 16:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012
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