User talk:Morenooso/Archive 8

Thanks...
I tell you, I'm in no mood to be editing this site right now. Spammers, kiddie-wiki, an AfD from a user who should know better...why do I put up with this? I actually have side jobs where I get paid to write.

I have a headache...sushi sounds great...no breakfast yet...wife in the Philippines for two weeks on a church mission...saw some in the deli section of Ralphs last night and thought of you. :) Whack duly noted. PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hot damn, you actually managed to make me smile. Sorry 'bout your cousin.  :))  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

She only left last night, so I'm pretty much OK. :) So...what the heck did you do?  Sounds like you could use a urologist.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Listen buddy, you think you're in pain? I injured my right rib six weeks ago and have been popping out kidney stones the last three week which have compounded the original injury. If you've ever passed a stone, it's like flaming death. moreno oso (talk) 16:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No; been lucky so far, but I know a few guys who've had the same good fun you're having. Drink lots of cranberry juice or whatever it is that's supposed to help with the things. Damn it, The Bear is needed 'round here! No fun without you! Gotta cut, but thoughts and prayers with you. Might do some sushi tonight. There's a Chinese buffet near where I work which has expanded their sushi selection. GREAT crunchy roll. A little wasabi and soy sauce and I'm in heaven...--PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'm in the VA Center to see the urologist about the stones. The guy is a great doc and has a fantastic sense of humor. He says, "Hey, I've notice that this year you've been giving us way too much business." (H1N1 scare from a lingering cold, bruised left rib in Feb; bruised right rib in June and now stones) I tell him, "Look doc, nothing personal and you know I like you but, if I never saw you again professionally, it wouldn't kill my feelings. In fact, I'd make that personally too if it meant I never had stones." I guess the way I put it had him literally fall off his stool and he start laughing really hard. The funny or sad thing is that four years ago when I developed this problem, I ran into an old military buddy who has been passing stones for almost 25 years. Ouch! moreno oso (talk) 16:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been doing the cranberry juice drinking pretty seriously. I had been doing it religiously since I found out three years ago that it smoothes the stones. I cut back this year as money has been tight. Well, in the past month, I must have killed about 20 one quart jugs. Kid you not: I took them in yesterday to the recycle center and got $2.50 for my effort. moreno oso (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been doing the cranberry juice drinking pretty seriously. I had been doing it religiously since I found out three years ago that it smoothes the stones. I cut back this year as money has been tight. Well, in the past month, I must have killed about 20 one quart jugs. Kid you not: I took them in yesterday to the recycle center and got $2.50 for my effort. moreno oso (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again
Thanks again for the revert.  E lockid  ( Talk ) 17:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. moreno oso (talk) 17:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: User:ElSonoma
Re your message: As you can see, I deleted the article again and protected it from recreation until January 13, 2011 (one day after the supposed release of the videos). There's nothing much more I can do. Paid editing isn't against policy and he hasn't done anything since you gave him your last warning. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Does sound right as he has a COI but what the hey. moreno oso (talk) 21:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Although there is no Wikipedia policy against paid editing, there is a policy against advertising, which this user explicitly said was his purpose (in this edit, now deleted, and in this one). I have warned the editor about advertising. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:55, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah and waving a red cape in front of a bull is not on the books either but can lead to horns in someone's thighs. This smacks of a COI and should be dealt with in same manner as if he was the Sonoma kid himself. moreno oso (talk) 12:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know...
I hate coming off as some sort of "divo," but damn it, four years, a personal promise of assistance from the guy who runs this playpen and still that retarded little asshat finds a way to log on and gripe about these little kiddie movies that no one else on the planet gives a rat's ass about. I just need a break is all. Keep up the good work with the Ocean Spray. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You may not have noticed it but I've been having a bad day too. I had to walk away four times to get my head straight. moreno oso (talk) 00:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

about my username
hello i am twwrdotcom and i have recieved a message saying that i am referring to a website. in this case i am not its just something for fun mesaage me back asap thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by TWWRdotCOM (talk • contribs) 02:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Revision deletion
Regarding this edit which you asked whether was eligible for redaction: it is a borderline case, but I interpret it as not eligible for redaction. The criterion in question is "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material that has little/no encyclopedic or project value and/or violates our Biographies of living people policy. This includes slurs, smears, and grossly offensive material of little or no encyclopedic value, but not mere factual statements, and not 'ordinary' incivility, personal attacks or conduct accusations." Maybe I'm desensitized by the amount of vandalism I clean up, but that's in the ordinary vandalism column. Now, if it had called out a particular individual, it might have warranted redaction; as it is, quickly reverting it is all that I think is necessary. —C.Fred (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Spanish culture, talking about this subject is grossly insulting, vulgar and not tolerated. moreno oso (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about, it's pretty gross in American culture too. moreno oso (talk) 13:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk
You've reverted the discussion on Mad magazine's "peak" four times now. I've expressed the view that the material is relevant, so you are in violation of the 3R rule. The discussion is relevant to the material on the page. Why? If the original poster's comment was to stand, the section could be removed. I've justified its inclusion. It seems rather odd that I have to justify the inclusion of comments on the discussion page on THIS page for material which justifies the inclusion of material on THAT page!

Obviously, you have a different opinion on whether the material is discussing improvements to the page. I am a long-time editor here, and I believe the material should stay. You've not estbalished the material is non-relevant, therefore the material should stay. Canada Jack (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. I am following Wikipedia policy and my reverts have been all in good faith. In fact, I granted you that courtesy when I established the WP:NOTAFORUM tag. I could have reverted immediatedly but decided it could wait until my next visit. However, you chose to ignore the tag and continued random conversation. And, while we are both long time editors, I will point to you to that I have three time as many edits. BTW, you are approaching 3RR on the article which is why I visited your talkpage. Please don't try to revert or turn the conversatiion. moreno oso (talk) 19:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

And I recognize that your actions, though misguided in my view, are in good faith. As I said, we have a difference of opinion. There is no "fact" established that the discussion in question must go, your claims notwithstanding. Your opinion is it should go, mine is it can stay. Therefore the default should be to retain the material in this sort of good-faith difference of opinion we are having. The discussion is relevant to improving the page as if the poster's remarks were to stand, the quote should be removed. As, the poster suggests, though true, the quote is trivially true. I suggest the opposite, the quote is non-trivially true, citing my own experience. The quote therefore deserves to stay.

If I was engaged in a debate on when Mad peaked, you'd be justified in removing the material. But though mentioned in passing, the discussion is not, per se, on when the peak happened, it is on whether a quote regarding the peak is trivial or non-trivial.

As for the bigger issue here, the issue here is not who has more edits - a rather amazingly pompous remark to make - the issue is whether one editor can assume the right to remove material from a discussion page when another editor maintains the material is relevant to the article in question. In other words, unlike adding contentious material to a main page which has not been arrived through via consensus, you are declaring the discussion I am having as outside the bounds of a discussion page and removing it with NO discussion.

I've been in far more contentious debates on discussion pages, some of which should properly be removed as per the guidelines you cite. And much discussion has been removed as it strays into debate on the topic in question rather than on ways to improve the page, the primary function of the discussion page.

In the case of a main page, when there is good faith disagreement over inclusion of material, the material should be debated on the discussion page. However, as long as an experienced editor agrees material on a DISCUSSION page should remain unless it is so clearly outside the bounds of the article in question, the default should be to leave the material there.

So, in good faith, I will remove the material in question if you can convince me that it falls outside the bounds I describe above. Canada Jack (talk) 21:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Two words (but they will come at the end because you're wrong). You're the pompous editor who brought up he's been around here a long time. If you don't get the notaforum discussion then you're really missing it.
 * Now for the two words: buzz off.


 * Woh, OK! The talk page of an article is there to improve the said article. What morenooso is trying to say is, the original talk page contributor's question was a matter of opinion, and not aimed at improving the article. Your response, too, was a matter of counter-opinion. Anything thereafter is quite lame in my opinion, so... let's just drop it. – B.hotep •talk• 21:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Cedar Lake (California)‎
Thanks for up-classing this article. I suspect it's actually C-class, but since one of the criteria for start-class is that the article not "be in any danger of being speedily deleted" I was waiting for the AfD to close. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 20:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Back at you as you did a real nice job in providing references for the article and saving it. I was doing a Deletion sort review of WP:CAL when I came across its listing. I looked over the article, visited the refs and knew it was higher than Stub class. However, there are issues as you point out with the primary being the AfD. If you look at the WikiProject_California/Assessment, which is just about the same for all the other wikiprojects, it states for the C rating:


 * The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains a lot of irrelevant material. The article should have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant issues or require substantial cleanup.

I rate almost every article's talkpage I visit if there is a need for a change either up or down. When I rate C, here is from that quote that I really use:


 * The article is substantial, but is still missing important content. The article may still have significant issues or require substantial cleanup [which prevents it from being rated B - this is unstated but my rationale].

With the article being at the AfD, it would look or be unwise "to pump it up" to the full C rating which I too feel it qualifies for. Normally in a C classed article, I like seeing about 20 reliably sourced citations and pictures if available. Unless I come across an article that is obviously a B class (because another WP has rated it so or it is well written and meets that class, I rate no higher than C and ask my WP to review it to bring it to a higher class level. moreno oso (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughtful reply. --Stepheng3 (talk) 20:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * One thing that strikes me about this is the inconsistency in disambiguating the titles of all the Cedar Lakes. Some have "Cedar Lake, STATENAME", while others have "Cedar Lake (STATENAME)" – I think you'll find on en.wikipedia, at least, the former is preferable (I noticed on nl.wikipedia that the latter is the norm). Anyway, Stepheng3, I think you did a good job. If the many and various sources can be fleshed out, I don't see why it can't become a 5x expansion DYK, but that will take a lot of fast (but accurate) work. Good luck. :) – B.hotep •talk• 20:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay Bubba, rub it in (you're right as usual). In fact, there are at least two other Cedar Lakes I know in California. The 5x would require about 4700b or about double its present size (it was about 923b when it was nominated for the AfD). The expansion began yesterday on the 27th which means Stepheng3 or any other editor that wishes to assist him has four more days to 5x it. moreno oso (talk) 21:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I just left a note for Stepheng3 on his talkpage about going for the gusto aka a 5x DYK expansion. moreno oso (talk) 21:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if there are four Cedar Lake, California in total, they can all be incorporated into the same article, with the most notable as the main focus and the others as "Other Cedar Lakes in California". It will all add up. However, don't forget, Stepheng3 may not be a seasoned pro at DYK like you are, so let's not force him to run a marathon before he can pass the baton, eh? :D – B.hotep •talk• 21:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * - So, what are you trying to tell this "dumb" bear? Metaphors? Allegories? I'm more into fairy tales ala the gal who slept in my bed. ;)
 * There are 15 Cedar Lakes listed in its disambig with one only one in California. moreno oso (talk) 21:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can have their own article, but the ones in California (that you mentioned) could reside in the same name space... just as long as someone moves the other misplaced ones to the correct name (before my non-existent OCD kicks in!). Californians are supposed to be quite laid back, aren't they? I think I could pass as one. Could you pass as an uptight English city gent? ;) – B.hotep •talk• 21:28, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bubba, I'm a bear who thinks he's human. Bears are usually laid back. moreno oso (talk) 21:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Tbh, he looks like he's thinking "food?, fight? fun conversation?... or f**k?!" – B.hotep •talk• 21:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If "this" bear is thinking anything, it's:


 * 1) My ex has cost me big time.
 * 2) Food as in honey or miel is always a player.
 * 3) Fighting is for fools.
 * 4) Fun conversation for when you know you're not going to get um, err, ah her number. Yeah, that's the ticket!
 * 5) F**k - please see number one and number four in this list. moreno oso (talk) 21:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It actually does look like he's, literally, having a shit in the woods. :D – B.hotep •talk• 21:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Having a shit? It's more like leaving one. moreno oso (talk) 03:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All joking aside Bubba, I think you may be missing an important distinction. "Cedar Lake, California" would be an article about a (hypothetical) settlement in California.  "Cedar Lake (California)" is clearly an article about a lake.  See Naming conventions (geographic names) for a starting point.
 * Despite having little or no interest in DYK, I'm actually a seasoned editor with over 50K edits. California landforms happen to be one of my areas of interest, so this AfD offered a challenge that was right up my alley.--Stepheng3 (talk) 22:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I used to have no interest in DYK until Mr Bearbrown knocked on my door, but I'm glad he did. Whichever is correct, my point stands that some of the disambiguations are wrong... and in spite of the keeper of this talk page's assertions to the contrary, I don't know everything! – B.hotep •talk• 22:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Knocked down your door? Did I huff and puff too? I think you got your animials mixed up here. Although, now that I think about it, I've slept with with two cougars. moreno oso (talk) 03:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Lost choo-choo
La Chiquibaby, Laura Flores, Charytin, and Marjorie de Sousa. moreno oso (talk) 21:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Then, there's Shakira singing the Waka, Waka song. She looks sexier in other ones but this one kills me! moreno oso (talk) 05:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Cedar Lake (California)
I want to thank you very much. What a wonderful job. I feel so bad, after yelling "HELP". This was my last edit to Cedar Lake. Four hrs. after that edit I was in the hospital getting prepared for an emergency appendectomy. I was just released from the hospital yesterday afternoon. All went well and I am fine. But I still have praise for you and everyone that participated in the AfD. My wife set up my laptop when I got settled in and my browser opens to the last page it was on when shut down. It was Cedar Lake. After I signed in I had a message waiting for me at my talk page, so I went there first, when I came back to cedar lake the first thing I noticed it wasn't flagged for deletion :). What a wonderful "Editors to the Rescue" collaboration. Again Thank You Very Much. Mlpearc   powwow  15:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much and sorry to hear about your hospital stay. I know alot about how it feels to be in waiting rooms as I've been visiting the VA way too much lately. Still, I had a very small role in saving this article. Steveng3 really deserves the credit. I'd like to think my iVote made a difference but even my ego is not that big. moreno oso (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, for your comment at Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. I agree with you that WP:GNG and WP:CORP are both satisfied, due to the WP:RS secondary source coverage. I posted to WP:RSN seeking some additional feedback regarding the odd attempts to characterize The New York Times at the AFD as a "local" rather than a "regional" source. Hopefully that will get some outside feedback from previously uninvolved editors. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (Not asking you to comment at the WP:RSN thread, just wanted to get some clarity regarding the source, The New York Times.) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 17:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Revision deletion
Could you look at this DIFF and see if the outing or release of personal information qualifies for revision deletion? TIA moreno oso (talk) 19:59, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops, looks like Tnxman307 took care of the repeat vandal. BTW, where have I seen that green template message thingie with the "Frankly my dear" type message? moreno oso (talk) 20:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it was certainly something that warranted a revdel, and perhaps even an oversight (From the looks of it that IP belongs to a long term vandal). As for my pagenotice - i actually copied the one Moonriddengirl uses and altered a little to suit my needs. Perhaps you saw hers? Excirial suddenly sees the pagenotice on this page and smiles Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I got mine from HJMitchell and it looks the same. moreno oso (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Wikipedia is all about sharing :). Take a good look at my own userpage, and then look at the pages where File:Computer Icon.png is used - you will see quite some similarities. As you can see quite a few people copied my entire userpage or the navbar on top of it. There are actually more of them then listed there, since people often swap the images with others they like. I guess that is the same way for the green template - I copied Moonriddengirl's, and someone else copied my adaption later on. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that i mention that - Remember this? Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops (Forgot that). moreno oso (talk) 20:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wes2k8
Please see: Sockpuppet investigations/Wes2k8. moreno oso (talk) 21:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Response
I didn't realize that I had broken any rules. I lived in California at the time the controversy was going on, and what I posted was considered common knowlege at the time. I realize it was many years ago, but I remember it very well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.31.102 (talk) 04:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Stale spills
But thank you for the nom even though it's gone stale. I confess I'm a little baffled by DYK; some perfectly trivial articles I've written have been nominated and passed, and once in a while when I write something I think is fairly significant it just gets completely ignored. Is it because most of the people there are too young to have even heard of it? The impact of that spill on national policy was, and is, enormous. Oh well. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ye of little faith. It still has several days to go. I think that editors might be burnt out on the Gulf spill. I am sure it will get picked up. moreno oso (talk) 03:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh -- I had no idea that's how it worked -- I thought the "older nominations" heading was the event horizon. Antandrus (talk) 03:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have the DYK project talkpage on Watch along with several of the more prominent editors who work the noms. It's not until it drops off the older nom list that it becomes stale or unpicked up. Several of these editors are great at going back and reviewing older noms. And if when an older nom gets approved, that means that it goes into the holding list until it hits the prep area. If you like, you can always suggest another ALT hook. Sometimes seeing a nom getting a new hook helps especially when it gets to the older state. I would have to believe that these editors have the page on Watch too and see when one gets tweaked. You could always suggest a different pic too. moreno oso (talk) 03:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I missed your post there under the nom. I have drifting in and out of conscientious due to a long jury "sit in the holding pen" and "listen to all our dumb announcements" day. Thank God I got released. . . Your post may have helped as it drew an editor's attention and more are certain to see that. moreno oso (talk) 03:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, as you probably know from DYK noms, the better reviewers will contact me via my talkpage if there is a problem, i.e., verifying hooks, citations, etc. However, some will just leave a comment on that project talkpage. Whenever I see a rash of postings on the page I go there to take a look at what the changes are. Most take place about one hour prior to the next change-over/post to the mainpage. 1.5 hours for that roughly to make the 1 am Chicago post time. Six hours later for the next round. moreno oso (talk) 03:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw man, I turn my back one minute to look at two possible reverts and you go "live" on the project page. Oh well, still looks like "no harm, no foul." moreno oso (talk) 03:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Ben Rector
You tagged Ben Rector for speedy deletion, and I deleted it. The deletion has now been questioned. I have looked back at the article, and my feeling is that the subject is probably not notable, but borderline for speedy deletion, so I have given it the benefit of the doubt and restored it to allow it to be improved. I certainly would not oppose a PROD or AfD if you wish to pursue either of those. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Second Time nomination for Deletion.
I am 'contesting' the deletion yet again here. Could you give for advise on what sort of information I could add to prevent deletion. Its hard to understand the wiki pages, I'm usually sort of guessing why articles get nominated for deletion. It was a pleasant surprise to see your comment on the charting. I hope the notation on the Billboard Hot 100 is enough to let the Wiki stay, there is also a notation of another song(which i'm not familiar with) on a less known chart that i did not add...Its mentioned in this article, should I add it? Please answer at the discussion page Thank you for your help in forward--Intouchwithbertj (talk) 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The only advice I have for you is prepare for the article to be deleted. moreno oso (talk) 23:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Leonidartgallery
Please see Sockpuppet investigations/Leonidartgallery. moreno oso (talk) 05:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: User_talk:Vituzzu
Please pay more attention at page's history: comments in Italian were not mine, I gave an answer in Engligh, anyway my removal of your comment was clearly a mistake, I'm sorry. Finally just a suggestion (I'm quite experienced in the matter ;) ): don't use standard template notice when you're not dealing with vandalisms it may give a bad impression. Have a nice day! --Vituzzu (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You did erase an iVote - so, pay more attention the next time. moreno oso (talk) 13:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the reason I've already apologized for ;) --Vituzzu (talk) 14:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Earth to Morenooso - What's your problem?
I really don't know what your problem is, morenoose, but if you can't stand the rather mild heat in the kitchen, then do us a favour, leave. I don't need to be condescended to, insulted and then threatened for what amounts to a simple difference of opinion. I strongly suggest you carefully re-read our previous exchanges before you embarrass yourself. Because you are now being extremely silly. Canada Jack (talk) 03:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no problem except with you continuing to press the NPA on the talkpage.

Meh...
Feeling a little better, but I'm still thinking of extending this wikibreak somewhat. Thought I'd do a bit of whack-a-vandal, but I'm not terribly enthusiastic about it. I was deeply saddened to learn of the retirement of User:AnmaFinotera over wikistalking. I know she was talking about this twerp right here. Add to that the continued block evasions by the usual suspects and the renewed effort to destroy this site by ED and 4chan and, well, it's enough to make me stand back and reevaluate what I do here. I want to write, but I'm out of stuff to write about. Tell you what, though: It ws nice to walk away, get a change of scenery and tossoff the cares of the world for a few days. Anything I choose to do on this site is merely self-abuse after the fact. :) Hanging tough in the meantime. Trout-whacked, I remain, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've noted what you've said. Seems like several editors I know feel like the tendentious editing vandals/stalkers are getting the upper hand. Still, there is much to be said for the "whack-a-mole" technique you describe. I've had some of my repeat vandals show up lately and think I've surprised them as I have not been as active lately due to other commitments. moreno oso (talk) 22:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just as a random observation -- having been here a long time (going on seven years, and hey -- Hi PMDrive!! I used to do a lot of vandal-whacking three, four, five years ago) -- I no longer have to clean my watchlist of vandalism every morning when I first look.  A few years ago it seemed like there were always three or four uncaught vandalisms that made it to my watchlist -- i.e. lasting from one to eight hours -- which I'd have to fix, and now I think I only fix about one a week.  I wish I'd kept some stats.  I remember in 2006 doing a little statistical sample at different times of day, determining that one out of eleven edits on recent changes by anons was straight-up vandalism (leaving out the gray areas, like POV).  Is it still that way?  Honestly I don't see as much but then I don't use the tools like Huggle.  What concerns me more is it seems, and this is once again subjective, that there are less good editors adding stuff, and the opposition (like "Wikipedia Review") is growing more organized, persuasive to the naive, and vicious.  Antandrus  (talk) 02:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a long Watchlist and usually spend about 20 minutes each morning going over the more "notable" ones. Like some other admin and regular vandal fighter talkpages I have on Watch, I've noticed in the last two months a considerable rise in sockpuppets making attacks. In some cases it's sickening and another admin took a wikibreak as well because he's been slugging it out with some nasty vandals. Then, another admin who I really admire for opening a deletion review after another rookie admin restored an AfD deleted piece kind of hinted in an edit summary that he too is losing the grip. moreno oso (talk) 02:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, I really agree with your last statement about the opposition becoming more organized, persuasive to the native (and even routine) and definitely vicious. moreno oso (talk) 02:34, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL, there's a probable sock on my talk page right now. Not sure enough to open a case; I'd honestly like to help the guy but my spidey-sense says there's something not quite right about it. -- Even though I don't see as much schoolboy vandalism making it past recent change patrol as I used to in, say, 2006, the level of nastiness is much greater; there are people who study you and try to find the way to truly hurt you.  That is, after all, the most certain way to get good editors to leave; many fine writers do not have thick skins.  All the people fighting vandals, trolls, and banned users are doing a fine and noble service, and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. Antandrus  (talk) 02:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean about "studying you" but that works both ways or as Gloria Estefan sings, Cuts Both Ways. I was on the Recent changes page and saw a sock I knew. Looks he'll be taken to the wash again. moreno oso (talk) 02:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Coolness -- it's all yours now. Let's see if we can make it a DYK. Antandrus (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Was there any doubt? moreno oso (talk) 02:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Add to that series the same article in the user monobook settings, would have been interesting if any of that was read as actual script language & executed :0) Skier Dude  ( talk  04:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There was something embedded in the articles? moreno oso (talk) 04:50, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He created the article with .css on the end, and in the "Username/xxx.css" format, which is where the script language (such as twinkle, etc.) can be stored. The .js is more the norm (see User:Morenooso/vector.js, which will have a note or link to your .css, if it exists. I've put in a sockpuppet notice for both of the uploaders for those articles... let me know if you see anymore like that, or you can add him to Sockpuppet investigations/Mliverman.  Skier Dude  ( talk  05:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. moreno oso (talk) 05:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

sockpuppets and other curious Wiki words
Haven't heard from you yet and your hour is about up. No retorts and definitely no apologies. Did my story "wash" yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncleflo (talk • contribs) 06:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't give apologoies; ergo, you best look elsewhere. moreno oso (talk) 11:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I just keep turning up. :)
Still haven't tried the 7-11 sushi, but it's on my short list of things to do. :) Gonna grab a bite to eat.  Thanks for the kind thoughts.  Really.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still on the am pm torta kick. I'm trying to think of a reason to sneak and get some. Of course, I'd have to stop at the 7 Eleven down the street because it has an ATM that doesn't charge my FCU debit card. Could be sushi and tortas in my future as I have some stuff that needs dry cleaning. moreno oso (talk) 18:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to you, I've noticed each and every billboard advertising the tortas at am-pm. :) Thanks for pointing out that howdy from my old buddy Ant!  I don't speak a lot of Spanish, but that old "El Chavo" sitcom used to crack me up.  Nothing sexy about it, unfortunately...--PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sssh. I just awoke from a combat hibernation and am eating a torta. moreno oso (talk) 21:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Just a note
AfD, please. There are enough sources to prevent me from deleting it under CSD.  — fetch ·  comms   02:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already done. moreno oso (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Michael Gilchrist
Michael Gilchrist was much less notable (see Gilchrist AfD) than Anthony Davis, but when the article was up for deletion it was kept with a consensous. There is national coverage for Davis including ESPN, the Chicago Sun-Times, and Rivals.com Ice (talk) 03:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you don't understand Notability_(sports) and WP:OTHERSTUFF, then you're lost. moreno oso (talk) 03:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand it fine. Ice (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Nudity in music videos question
My unsourced content on the page "Nudity in Music videos" is official information, it says so on the BPA article.

What I am going to ask is, does it need a citation or website to prove it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slatz-123 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Since I am in the middle of editting another article, my response will be brief and to the point. Yes. In order of priorites:


 * 1) See the tag at the top of Nudity in music videos which should be your first clue that this article needs reliable sourced citations.
 * 2) Wikipedia is editted on the basis of WP:V. The addition you made did not have any citations to back it and the video (to the best of my knowledge) does not have an article here. It is the responsibility of the contributing editor to provide a citation that can be looked at immediatedly (if need be) for verification. Most editors like me will look at a citation right away to see if the edit should be included and meets WP:NPOV.
 * 3) Your track record editting this article is not good. You were cited by me on August 4th and then by another editor that same day. I remembered that.


 * If you are going to be good contributing editor here on Wikipedia, you need to review the Welcome message on your talkpage, the links provided in it and the links to the warnings you have been given. moreno oso (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at AN
You closed Articles for deletion/Gallery of triband flags, but apparently never did anything to follow up on the close. Your close is being discussed at Administrators' noticeboard. Fences &amp;  Windows  13:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Ha, ha. :)
He couldn't find a horse, so he used a trout instead. Not quite as forceful, but nearly as effective. Still open for that cerveza? Could use one long about now even though it's only 8 in the morning...--PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bar's always open somewhere in some part of the world. Do trout bleed when the body is cut off and the head is left in the bed? moreno oso (talk) 15:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do it yourself
Or delete the entire article, it has no references whatsoever. I'm not adding a single word, just fixing structure.Againme (talk) 15:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, you added material. And, any information added to be the article can be challenged and removed. moreno oso (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not add anything. Chucha is been in the article since 2004, check it out. --Againme (talk) 15:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And it's been removed because it was recently expanded upon. Please see the maintenance tags regarding this article. moreno oso (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! Why do you "advice" my to read the No Personal Attacks policy? --Againme (talk) 15:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Your edit summary called me a zealot. moreno oso (talk) 15:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, my edit summary advised you NOT to be a zealot because Wikipedia prohibits that, as you are advising me not to do other stuff that Wikipedia also prohibits. --Againme (talk) 15:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And that can be considered a NPA. moreno oso (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, that can be considered No Personal Attack. I'm glad we agree on this. --Againme (talk) 15:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Look
I'm going to reference chucha now, ok? That way you do not have to revert my edits once the 24 hour time has passed by. Is that OK with you? But the rest of the article is also unreferenced. --Againme (talk) 15:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The 3RR applies to you you. moreno oso (talk) 15:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * To me me? Yeah, I know, it applies to anyone. It is referenced now --Againme (talk) 15:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you continue to make threats in my Talk Page. I'm not personally attacking anyone. Please see Harassment. Have a nice one. --Againme (talk) 15:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have not harassed you. I tried informally to advise you concerning Wikipedia's policies. You have chosen not to follow them. moreno oso (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I do follow Wikipedia policies. I have chosen not to follow your opinions. --Againme (talk) 16:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And, no opinions have been offered. moreno oso (talk) 16:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you wrote too much to claim not to have given an opinion on this matter. Also, a big sign of "This is the final warning" in my Talk Page doesn't sound like "informally advising", it sounds more like Terminator, right? --Againme (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Once you chose to ignore the informal advice I gave you, I issued you the standarized template for not adding reliable citations. You chose to revert blindly which is why you were issued the 3RR warning. You were advised in an edit summary not to comment on editors with your edit summary (WP:NPA) but yet chose to shout in capital letters you were adding a ref and continued the attack. Hence, the final warning. moreno oso (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Itatí Cantoral
Hi Morenooso,

Happening upon Itatí Cantoral, of whom I know nothing, I thought the article fractured and confused. I was about to go to bed but a little challenge always keeps me up and running. Starting with the odd tweak, I couldn't help myself getting into a major. I noticed that you put a clean-up tag on the article in April and added comment on Talk:Itatí Cantoral. Through courtesy to you, I'd like you to look at what I've done. I've added the reasons for my edit in the Talk Page. Best wishes,

Acabashi (talk) 02:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Manny Machado
Hi if Manny Machado becomes a notable topic, eg he actually plays at the major league level, then the deleted articles can be restored, even without a WP:DRV. This would be a case of the circumstances changeing enough to render the WP:AFD out of date. I have deleted it as there seems to be no evidence yet that he has played at the top level. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahem, that was one of the points I raised on the deleted talkpage. moreno oso (talk) 12:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Katie Couric
At least be consistent with your excuses. You have been claiming, repeatedly, that the undue issue is because of a single source with 40 words in it. Now there are seven, with many more words. The fact that you are a part of a group of editors who are fans of Couric does not justify your game. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You seem to have me mixed up with some one else. Also, I've been on the article awhile and addressed the issue before your arrival as a named user. And, if you persist in making accusations, which can be viewed as a WP:NPA, there can be an appropriate notice board in your future. moreno oso (talk) 19:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Just a suggestion
You could hide your categories on your workspaces, such as User:Morenooso/Josefa Cotillo workspace and User:Morenooso/Roberto Cantoral ws. Cheers, Star Garnet (talk) 02:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Manny Machado
Hello. I can't seem to find where this was deleted before. An 18yo shortstop for the Oreoles? That would be notable, but 18 sounds young. Thanks, Dloh  cierekim  16:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been WP:CSD deleted twice because he fails WP:MLB/N. Because of your wikilink, it appears he has been recreated. moreno oso (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Recreation of a previous WP:CSD
This article has been recreated for the third time. The subject was deleted at Articles for deletion/Manny Machado. It was then recreated the other night and deleted by CSD:G4 (recreation of a previous AFD). The subject still fails WP:MLB/N as he has not played at the major league level. The deletion log reads:


 * 03:48, August 17, 2010 Graeme Bartlett (talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Manny Machado" ‎ (G8: Talk page of a deleted page)
 * 03:22, June 13, 2010 Phantomsteve (talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Manny Machado" ‎ (Articles for deletion/Manny Machado) moreno oso (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't know why the deletions did not show up in the history. Had to look at the talk to find the AFD. Dloh  cierekim  16:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Think I'll userfy so the creator will have it if de does become notable. Dloh  cierekim  16:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, I thought this had been settled with the editor who recreated it on the recreation talkpage. The subject becomes notable by call up to the major leagues. IMHO just a call up is not notability but that's the way WP:MLB/N reads. moreno oso (talk) 16:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The most recent deleter is OK with userfication. Educate me though. MLB/N (never heard of it before) says he is notable on call up? Oi weh. This gets complicated, doesn't it? Thanks. Dloh  cierekim  16:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look at criteria #2 of WP:MLB/N, it states:


 * Have appeared in at least one game in any one of the following active major leagues: Major League Baseball, Nippon Professional Baseball, Korea Baseball Organization, Chinese Professional Baseball League or any other top-level national league (active or defunct).
 * Criterias #6 and #7 were bitterly fought over (as was #2). #6 and #7 state:


 * Minor league players, managers, coaches, executives, and umpires are not assumed to be inherently notable.
 * Some minor league players receive some coverage from reliable sources, but not enough to satisfy the notability criteria for an independent article. In these cases, it may be appropriate to write a short, stub-length bio as a section within the article on the franchise's minor league players (for example, Minnesota Twins minor league players). Please note that such mini-bios should cite reliable sources and conform with Wikipedia policies such as WP:BLP.
 * Number 7 was the most bitter compromise because some editors felt that minor league players will receive enough coverage from sports writers to meet WP:GNG which is the higher guideline. In essence, I agree. If we don't have specific guidelines for marginally notable subjects, they can sneak in by other WP:reliable sources and get GNG certified. And yes, I will admit that Machado is very close and probably because of his top ten ranking probably deserves to have an article at call up but there are way too many "one hit" singer-type baseball and soccer players here on Wikipedia IMHO. But, the axe can be gored on the other side too. Here one userfied article in my workspace: User:Morenooso/Andrew Giallombardo. I guess WP:OTHERSTUFF does apply. moreno oso (talk) 16:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eugene Michael Hyman
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Roberto Cantoral
The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Babičky
Hi. A user placed a big tag on article trying to delete it. Can you expand it?Starzynka (talk) 13:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No worry. My holiday is over now. But I will try to make articles over the weekend.Starzynka (talk) 20:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have any refs or URLs, pass them on and I'll expand the article. I'll take a look over the weekend when I have more time. moreno oso (talk) 23:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Hope all is well. Looks like you've got another two DYKs in the bank. Antandrus (talk) 03:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, they're all due to you. It's been a long week which was capped by hopefully the end of a cellphone return/new buy. I *hate* being without a cell. How's our other friend doing? moreno oso (talk) 03:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Who, me? :) You've been missing all the fun I've been having here and across multiple websites with that simpleton I blocked and almost quit over, namely "BoxWear" and his bottomless sock drawer.  That brainless, drooling, semi-literate, microencephalic idiot has been creating attack accounts at various wikis I was stupid enough to identify myself as "PMDrive1061" on.  I've blocked all of his known IPs and he's taken to using proxies.  Guess I ticked him off when I blocked the IPs of his favorite haunts.  Aww, poor widdle fellow.  This has been going on for two weeks all because I blocked the doofus from editing a wiki.  Somebody needs to call the WAAAAA-mbulance because some widdle fellow has been having a two-week-long temper tantrum!  Other than that, I'm just groovy.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Mr Brownbear, didn't realise we'd been out of the loop near enough the same amount of time. Good to see you around again. PMDrive, if I can help some time, let me know. I know the outline of the situation from reading extensively about it in the last few hours, so just tip the nod. :) – B.hotep •talk• 22:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Bubba. :)  I could use all the help I can get at this point.  If you or any other user has global rights on Meta, Wikia or other sites, please keep an eye out for him. He'll be the one insulting me with usernames like "Pmdrivesux" and other, nastier variants which I won't dignify here.  This is an adult acting like a spoiled, petulant little child and all he can do is to lash out, again, all over enforcing a block.  Tell me why I wanted to be an admin here; I keep forgetting...--PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you guys keep it down to a dull roar? I'm just getting back from my favorite all-you-can-eat buffet. My friends pretty much had to roll me out of there. I *hate* when they have baked chicken and meatloaf. I think the poor waitress couldn't believe the stack of chicken bones I left. Then, there were the three helpings of cake with ice cream. If this bear had been smart, I'd moved into the condo caves half a mile away from the buffet cave. moreno oso (talk) 22:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I've seen an admin I know with some global rights. I'll have to hover my mouse over some admin names til I see the right admin. moreno oso (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ain't buffets fun? Thanks for the help.  The dizzy doofus e-mail bombed me; I just forwarded the info to the provider and I've dropped my e-mail contact for the time being.  PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I suffer afterwards. I may take a combat hibernation here in about ten minutes. You may want to check out Alison and Túrelio. Don't tell Alison I think she's cute. moreno oso (talk) 23:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Not to worry. I won't tell her. :) You're right, though.  :))  PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to remember if I said something stupid to my ex like I thought she looked like an anchor on the local TV station. She always thought I looked at other ladies. I may peek but I don't poach even though I've been known to poach a picnic basket or two. moreno oso (talk) 23:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter where you work up your appetite, just so you eat at home. -- Oh, and you're right.  She is cute.  You're not the first to notice. :) Antandrus  (talk) 23:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop you guys. Now, I need a cold shower. moreno oso (talk) 23:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, those other users have admin rights elsewhere. moreno oso (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI, I tried a new Chinese buffet today. I swear, all these places swap recipes among themselves. The fact it was a buffet made me think of you, so I thought I'd drop you a line. Rawr! :) PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * One of my favorite dives for quick food is in Chinatown in Los Angeles ... it's so damn good. They speak a little English but not much.  It's one of those places with the rows of roasted ducks hanging in the window.  -- Crap, I'm hungry again and I just had dinner. Antandrus  (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I know of the place. Been a long time since I've been there. moreno oso (talk) 02:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I apologize
I am not trying to make trouble. I was merely trying to note the addition of Aaron Carroll to The Incidental Economist. I thought I might then create an Aaron Carroll page and link the Colbert Report appearance to it. I am not trying to get into an edit war. Can you please advise as to how I should proceed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.46.219 (talk) 04:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

New review feature
Hi, There is this new "review" feature that helps protect pages, I am not sure how to apply for it for Blessed Virgin Mary. Do you know? There are just too many semi-vandal edits, none of which has added substance, and it is best to semi-protect or even better, get the permanent needs review feature on that page. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 06:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Morenooso/Fish Smarty


A tag has been placed on User:Morenooso/Fish Smarty, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of User:Morenooso/Fish Smarty and leave a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mean as custard (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed the tag. People are allowed to work on articles in their user space.  A touch of good faith may be useful here; perhaps Mr. brown bear simply hasn't gotten around to working on it yet, after moving it from mainspace.  We do this often with articles someone may believe to be salvageable, which I'm guessing is the case here.  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Morenooso's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk  • 21:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Enslaving students :)
A couple of years ago, I had two classes of advanced English students in Toluca, Mexico write articles for WP. Im going to do this again, this time with my Business English class, with an eye on having them write a B class (minimum) article as their final project. The last time I did this, I was a relative newbie on WP, and I went around willy nilly looking for folks to help out the class as mentors, especially in wiki-tasks like wikifying, categorizing, etc. as I have limited time to teach wiki skills. I would, of course, teach the academic English skills and citation. Might you be interested in helping out and/or spreading the word that I need mentors for my students? I'll have them look for mentors themselves (gotta remember to find the newbie pages), but any head start would be great due to the semester calendar.Thelmadatter (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but my time is very limited on Wikipedia these days. My days are occupied by charities I am working with for the next week solid. You might want to go the Help desk and see if they can help you identify editors who are willing to adopt other editors. I am not in that position or stage of my Wikipedia career. moreno oso (talk) 04:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

correction to entry "Eparchy of Parma"
Hi Moreno Oso:

I am writing in regards to your comments about my correction to information on the entry "Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Parma."

Indeed Bishop Andrew Pataki was never an auxiliary bishop of Parma, but rather was first created a bishop as the auxiliary of Passaic as I put and have restored. The link, verifying this fact is already linked to the text, and is found at http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bpataki.html

Thanks for your attention to these matters, and I hope you can see my point regarding the information I am attempting to correct.

Best, Munib kyiv (talk) 22:51, 9 September 2010


 * OK, regarding the edits on Emil John Mihalik. However the citation reads "during his tenure" not "during his priesthood". Perhaps then, tenure should be used, especially since ordinary "priests" do not ordain other priests. What do you think?
 * The article cited in the Toledo Blade also says "ordained 23 men to the priesthood". It does not say "conferred 23 priests" which is what I attempted to reconcile. I do not see where the word "conferred" comes from. Munib kyiv (talk) 04:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article was written before he became a bishop. Ergo, he erected parishes with the support of his eparch and he cannot ordain priests - bishops do. Priests can erect parishes and do that as well as recruit other priests. I carefully researched his article and it was looked over by three senior editors prior to being created. Then, it was looked at again by the DYK editors. I don't appreciate you coming to my talkpage and splitting hairs. I'd advise you once again to be careful in editting direct citations. moreno oso (talk) 05:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Not an attack
It was a constructive criticism of saying what was in fact the constructive / positive effort rather than negative, reducing/reductionist effort. Completely neutral and friendly and by no stretch an attack; it takes a peculiar sensitivity originating not from the output on my part to construe from the sensibilities held in what I said to amount to an attack or ad hominem slight; it was posited without bias and I stand behind the spirit of the, perfectly healthy and loving, suggestion that it carries. 67.171.248.22 (talk) 04:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You run with that. moreno oso (talk) 04:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me...
I'm sorry for the disruptive posting, i'm new to the project and still learning. My hope is to be of help and not a problem. Gbarreto1972 (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I did't realize you undid some of the edition, I understand now about the disruptive posting comment. However the information in those paragraphs is extracted from the two paper books mentioned on the article, therefore will not be easy to find online. Gbarreto1972 (talk) 05:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

tags on The Dagons page
Hello, Thanks for your feedback regarding The Dagons article. This is the first article I've written, so please bear with me as I try to navigate the Wikipedia labyrinth... So, your tags say that the article needs additional references for verification, and that the notability of the subject is in question. I'm puzzled, because I put in 24 references in my article. They are reliable newspaper and magazine sources and most of the links are still active, so they are easy to check up on for anyone who is interested. Is there something else I should be doing? Rizmagnusson (talk) 18:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look at all "24" of your refs, five come from allmusic dot com which is not exactly a heavyweight reliable source. The billboard seems be just a description of an album. If you look at WP:GNG, it talks about notability in terms of reliable third party sources that deal directly in describing the subject. Casual mentions, album descriptions and powderful pieces begin to fill the bill of Bombardment which is a bad thing in terms of your article. You may wish to review WP:FIRST, WP:N and WP:CITE. moreno oso (talk) 00:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Morenooso

Regarding All Music Guide, I am wondering why this is not a reliable source? I'm planning on writing more music articles in the future, so this sort of thing is good to know. I was under the opposite impression -- I thought it was "the" source that set the standard. On another subject: you're citing five out of 24 references as being "not heavyweight," which still leaves plenty of other references in my article. I could find more references, but I wonder if that is really the issue here, since I already do have so many. I have looked at WP:GNG very thoroughly and linked to reliable third party sources that deal directly in describing the subject. Can you please tell me specifically what part of the article is "powderful?" One last question: Regarding the Billboard link being a description of an album by this band ... isn't that the kind of thing I'm supposed to link to in articles? -- factual sort of descriptions? Rizmagnusson (talk) 22:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to mention in my letter that I talked to an administrator about this and his response was that he would think there is adequate number of references -- "I would think myself there is an entirely adequate number of references. What I suggest you do is, look in the article history to see who added the maintenance templates, and leave a message on his talk page to ask why he thinks they are not enough, and what extra he thinks would be necessary to put notability beyond doubt. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)"

That reminds me to ask you: What extra do you think would be necessary to put notability beyond doubt? Rizmagnusson (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * JohnCD is a pretty good admin. However, he might have looked at sheer numbers and perhaps did not an indepth analysis as I did. Tell you what: I will revisit the article in two days and really tell you what I think about it. moreno oso (talk) 05:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2
Because you participated in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Some Person/The Real Secret Page and Secret Barnstar, you may be interested in Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2. Cunard (talk) 06:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mesa Oil Field
Calmer  Waters  18:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

inre Articles for deletion/Uptown (film)
Notability is always difficult for smaller independent films, as guideline seems written to address only big-budget blockbusters. However, one is allowed to consider that the smaller independent films might only be reviewed by critics specializing in such. Toward that end, I have been spending some time improving the style, tone, and sourcing for Uptown (film). As it was only recently released on DVD, I think we might reasonably expect more coverage in the next few weeks. And though I fully expect the nominator to adamantly disagree, I ask that you visit the improved article to see if it might at least now be worth sending to incubation. Thank you,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Still haven't tried the sushi...
Doggone it, I wish there were more 7-Eleven stores around here. On the other hand, I've gotten two free meals in as many days. One Mexican, one barbecue. Both wonderful. I thought I'd share my gastronomic adventures seeing as how I haven't said hi to the bear in awhile. Happy Friday! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Troll needing spanked.
Hi Morenooso. While investigating a chronic wiki vandalizer ( Cw6165 ) I noticed you'd posted a "final warning" on his/her talk page back in August. Well the little jerk didn't learn and is at it again. I just reverted some vandalism on the Brandon Phillips wiki entry by Cw6165. Figured I'd let you know so you can take appropriate action to block them from editing, or get in contact with someone who has that sort of power. I'm just a basic member with no "powers". Take care! Sector001 (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Pro-beam corporate logo.jpg
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Fish Smarty article, references added
Hi, I am writing you in regards with Fish Smarty article that was published approximately 6 months ago, article which was discarded and forwarded under your wiki account. Briefly, the article was missing references, references that now exist on internet.

I will add the notes on the article, below as reference: 1. Created June 11. 2. No references on June 24 and WP:WEB not firmly established although that could be debated. 3. Article CSD'ed on June 24. CSD tag appeared to be improperly removed without an edit summary or substantial improvement. 4. Edits stop after User:Flylotski's edits. 5. No CSD tag present. 6. Article deleted. 7. Article userfied upon my request on 29 June. moreno oso (talk) 16:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Morenooso, Should I add my comment here or on your main Talk page? Basically, I wanted to ask you what are the next steps for us to recover the article? As stated before the site and its content is currently under review by several independent publishers.

Cheers, Flylotski —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flylotski (talk • contribs) 18:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC) - I'm not sure what you mean by "under review"? Please post on my talkpage. moreno oso (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Nowadays, I am coming back to you in regards with the Fish Smarty article. Last time the article was removed from wikipages due the pour references about the website. Therefore now i am writing you again with 2 strong references for the Fish Smarty article. 1. http://www.cemaienou.ro/Articole/Tech/36/Fish-Smarty---sau-o-educatie-altfel - romanian website about new trends on the market in multiple domains (technology, lifestyle, trends, culture) 2. http://smartwoman.hotnews.ro/educatia-prin-explorare-joc-si-invatare-arata-i-copilului-tau-un-alt-fel-de-internet.html#more-13973 - romanian website about parents lifestyle. Please let me know if those 2 references are sufficient for republication. AndrewHilton (talk) 14:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC) AndrewHilton

What happened to you?!
Merry Navidad and Feliz Año Nuevo, wherever you are... SamEV (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

vandalism
Hi, Morenooso. I have in my notes that you once offered to help with any vandalism problems. I just fixed (for the third time in the past few weeks) the name of the Sporting News, i.e., Matt Leinart, whom I just saw on your user page is an alumnus of your alma mater. I don't know if it's the same user/vandal who is doing this, but I see (from the article's history) that Leinart's name has been changed to Tim Tebow (along with the college being changed to Florida) on three separate occasions since Dec. 14. Should I ask that this page be semi-protected? If so, how should I go about doing that? If you suggest, I will go to the appropriate Wiki page for learning how to do so. Thank you for any help you can offer. Eagle4000 (talk) 18:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

interview request
Hello, My name is Natalia Ioana Olaru and I am a final year master student in the Corporate Communication programme at the Aarhus School of Business in Denmark. I am currently working on my final paper on the topic of user motivation to create content on collaborative media websites, the focus being Wikipedia. As a sample I chose the English and Danish portals. I would like to invite you for an online interview on the topic of what motivates you, to participate in editing and creating articles for this platform. I plan on doing the actual interviews in the period between 1st and the 15th of May via Skype, MSN or Yahoo Messenger. I am, however, open to other channels of communication too. Please let me know if you would like to participate in this interview and the preferred channel.

Thank you, Natalia Olaru Email: natalia.ioana.olaru@gmail.com MulgaEscu (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Trouted
You have been trouted for: What is unique about the "trout" link? Ty for taking the time to read this. Also I apologize now for any errors in my post's submission. 209.34.31.39 (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of PinCode: 583217 && July 2010
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The above msg was added in my talk page, i have removed the pincode 583217 from the article itself.I was trying to provide some extra information about that place. Since i have provided lat longs, i think pincode is not required. So could you please let me know if things are fine now. If yes, can you please remove the above msg from my talk page.

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