User talk:Morgan martin

December 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. ''As you know I already reversed a couple of your edits. Generally speaking single purpose accounts that just serve to promote a particular product - in this case the work of Edward Colver - are frowned on at Wikipedia, as they usually indicate a conflict of interest. It may well be that Colver deserves some recognition for his contributions for popular culture, but heavy-handed adding of links willy-nilly is just likely to get reversed once an admin spots it. You'd be better of researching a full article on Colver, with references, and posting that. One normally does this in one's sandbox till it's up to scratch. As and if that passes the notable test it will be natural that it will link with the other articles and vice versa. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:10, 26 December 2010 (UTC)'' Wwwhatsup

License tagging for File:Edward-Colvers-Flip-Shot.jpg
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I warned you :) It's well worth reading the links given above, what it boils down to is that you have to make sure, as much as is humanly possible, that all and any facts and claims are well referenced to secondary sources, and avoid flowery adjectives. Keep going & I will do my best, as an impartial editor, to ensure you come up with a decent and acceptable article. Find my comments here. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Replaceable fair use File:Edward-Colvers-Flip-Shot.jpg
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 * As you will see above. I am trying to assist this editor, who is new to Wikipedia. I have added a dispute tag to the image, based on its use within the article as the best known example of the article subject's style. As such it is, without doubt, irreplaceable. Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

thanks again Wwwhatsup, I thought this was just a rough draft, I had no idea the whole world was watching my every move here...in your case, I'm so glad you are. I think once you start uploading images to the commons, you are in the spotlight I guess. Again, this is ONLY a rough draft, I have not asked anyone to review this yet for a reason. (I've only just begun this article and I'm not ready for a review yet). I was hoping to add a few more images here...can you help me get the other image tagged correctly? I already owe you one. thanks again for your valuable assistance and encouragement. Morgan Martin 23:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The fact is, nearly every new editor comes to Wikipedia the same way you have, first attempting to fix some aspect of personal expertise, and then having to go though the rite of passage of comprehending exactly what making a free encyclopedia entails, as worked out through the experiences of 1000's of contributors over time. The need for, as mentioned by others above, neutral point of view and verifiability are major stumbling blocks, but necessary for creating encyclopedic quality content - a very different animal to promotional copy. Also vital is the full understanding that - for content to be truly "free" as in "freedom" - you have cross all your t's and dot your i's when it comes to copyright. The whole point of wikipedia is that not only is it free to access but it also free to copy and share. The potential penalties for a pattern of encouraging wholesale copyright infringement are serious, hence the vigilance.


 * Given that, as I point out here, you are on dubious ground with the portrait pic, as it's pretty evident that you absolutely DO NOT have permission of of the author, and the fact that you claim that you do is not helping your credibility as an editor. Your best bet here is to correct it to read truthfully (unknown) author, delete the licence and put an OTRS pending tag, mentioning that you are making every effort to contact the author for permission, and do that. Very likely the author, when found, will be happy to give it. In the meantime, if it gets deleted.. well, you can just add it when you get that sorted. As a rule, unless one is using definitely "free" images it's a good idea to leave them til last, as you are learning the hard way. It's also true of the lo-res watermarked version of the 'flip' image - it could well be that Mr. Colver is himself quite prepared to release that under the cc-by-sa licence that Wikipedia requires, you could approach him as described at OTRS. Problems solved. In the meantime you may have to be philosophical if other editors come to the consensus that it doesn't pass fair use criteria. Don't worry about the pix for now, though, work on the story.


 * As to the article, what you should really be looking for is good authoritative refs. Try searching on "Edward Culver" and "punk" on Google News - there's a couple of LA Times exhibit mentions - you'll have to work around the PPV to get the meat - but that'll be enough for notability should anyone challenge. Then try and build a chronological narrative from the refs. Start with publications and exhibits.


 * A particular note. Refrain from using "peacock" style language, just the facts. If you find such a term, e.g. "famous", in something like the LA Times you can well write something like "well known" with a direct ref, otherwise avoid.. It's obvious you haven't quite grasped this approach from the reference to "top" producers on your user page. It's a vital component of Wikipedia style.


 * You could take a look at Glen E. Friedman - it's by no means a perfect article, but it's further down the road. Take a look at the talk page and see the path it has taken, could save some grief..   Wwwhatsup (talk) 01:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Morgan martin


A tag has been placed on User:Morgan martin, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional because Edward Colver was featured prominently and centrally in the Sony pictures film "American Hardcore" as well as the book by the same name and has been featured in the LA Times at least four times and a long list of magazines some of which are documented in the external links. He has been called "the most important photographer" of the movement by Director Steven Blush. Do a search in Wikipedia or in google and you'll see he has been discussed and referenced rather extensively. I think the editor who has flagged this is far from objective himself and is seeking to obstruct our progress with this meaningful and significant article. In the beginning perhaps he was right, but since then I have removed adjectives and adopted a far more neutral tone as requested. The other editors have been far more supportive and encouraging to me as a first time author here. This article is a work in progress and by any reasonable standards I should be permitted to develop this further and to completion if I am able. I have no doubt that this article will be approved ultimately based on the facts and nothing more.

Morgan Martin 20:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at WP:UP - your user page is supposed to be about you in the context of your activities on Wikipedia. It is not a place for "Look at me and how successful I am".--ukexpat (talk) 13:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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