User talk:Morganix79

Speedy deletion nomination of Flyfishers' Club
A tag has been placed on Flyfishers' Club requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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re Flyfishers' Club
Hi Morganix79 - As noted in the log entry, there were two main reasons for the deletion of the article Flyfishers' Club. The first was that it was unambiguous promotion of the subject. Sentences such as "Here, we have one of the most remarkable fishing libraries anywhere..." and "The Club has a fine selection of reasonably priced wines and diverse and imaginative menus." are, in my opinion, indicators of the promotional nature of this article (the use of "we" is concerning as it creates a perceived conflict of interest.)

The second reason for the deletion was that the article did not indicate the importance of its subject. For example, what would be very helpful would be if the Club had been written about in reliable sources such as newspapers or books (published independently of the club). As Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and a tertiary source, we really need others to write about something first, before we 'report' it. We have some guidelines for establishing the notability of organisations and companies on this page.

The final concern I would have is that article looked like it might have been a copy of a previously published work - from some material published by the Club, possibly? If this were the case, it would be a copyright violation, even if the Wikipedia editor were associated with the club. There are two ways to avoid this: use the copyrighted work as a basis, but write the Wikipedia article from scratch; or give Wikipedia official permission to use the copyrighted material, with the understanding that anyone may edit, remove, add or re-use the material as they see fit. (There is more information about this process at this page).

That all being said (and sorry for using so many words to say it!), the subject does sound interesting, and if it has been written about elsewhere, it certainly would be good to have a Wikipedia article about it. So far, I have found passing mentions of the Flyfishers' Club in The Times, The Daily Telegraph and The Independent; I haven't found any substantial articles, but unfortunately I am not an expert in the field, so there could well be sources I have missed - or offline sources to which I do not have access. There is no problem in creating an article on the Flyfishers' Club which adheres to our policies and guidelines. You could have a look at some of our featured articles such as The Scout Association of Hong Kong or Jesus College Boat Club (Oxford) to get an idea of the structure of an article and the way they are generally written. If you would like you can create a draft in your own userspace (eg. User:Morganix79/Flyfishers' Club to work on before moving it to the main encyclopedia. You can also get your article reviewed by experienced editors at Requests for feedback or the Help Desk. If there is anything I can help you with, please let me know. Best wishes, -- Kateshortforbob talk  14:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd be happy to have a look at the article. I'll also try to get together a list of the newspaper mentions etc. I found yesterday, which might be helpful as supplementary references. -- Kateshortforbob talk  10:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Morganix79 - I'm pleased that the article is back in the main space - it looks good to me! I have added some more information and some references if you would like to have a look. I think there is still some more information I came across that can be added. We have an article on G E M Skues The Way of a Trout with the Fly, and I noticed that you mentioned in the original article that he dedicated this book to the club, which I think would be a good addition to the article. Would you know if this is mentioned in one of the books in the references section of the article?


 * I was also thinking it might be nice to nominate the article for the Did You know? section on the Wikipedia home page. That section gives interesting, referenced facts from our newest articles. Flyfishers' Club isn't quite long enough yet, but a couple more good sentences should get it there. There are several more days before the article becomes ineligible (articles must be 5 days or younger) so there's time to add a bit more. -- Kateshortforbob talk  14:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I've nominated Flyfishers' Club, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Kateshortforbob talk 11:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)  Thanks,  Kateshortforbob talk  11:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)