User talk:Moriori/Archive 1

Twilight Imperium: Sardakk N'orr
Please do not delete my post. WIll be updating more, not incoherent nonsense.

yeokaiwei —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeokaiwei (talk • contribs) 06:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Wael Abbas
The Wael Abbas page was put again on wikipedia, so I was wondering why where you so pissed off that I was trying to put it on, in the first place. I merely was trying to help with my knowledge on wikipedia Abdowiki  —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

No
No, you cannot revoke your contributions to Wikipedia because you are in a bad mood. It was a misuse of your admin powers to delete the images you have contributed. I suggest you reverse these actions. 1 != 2 15:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to remind you of the WP:NPA policy, don't call people arseholes, even if you are angry. 1 != 2 15:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I second that - you have admin tools for actions to benefit the project, not to use them in disputes with other users. Including a personal attack in the deletion summary was completely out of line. Your images that were used in the mainspace have been reincluded in the relevant articles. I have raised this matter at the administrator's noticeboard for further input - see this thread. I encourage you to restore the rest yourself. It is expected that if you upload images that you do not own the copyright in and claim that they are PD that you will provide material for this to be verified - either by refering people to the source that makes the PD status of the image clear or by forwarding to OTRS-permissions an email from the copyright holder releasing the image under a GFDL compatible license. WjBscribe 15:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Moriori's contributions are thousands-fold times this silly dispute, the indiscretion in a deletion edit summary, the deletion itself, etc. Let's give him some space. El_C 17:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree about giving space until this user has a chance to respond. As to the other part, we don't work on a scoring system here where you can build up enough credit to do bad things. 1 != 2 17:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've started restoring the deletions. Please do not come back and continue your disruptive deletions. Friday (talk) 17:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC) (To be clear:) I do hope you come back, just please don't delete more things without a good reason. Friday (talk) 23:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for arbitration
A request for arbitration has been filed listing you as a party here. MastCell Talk 17:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please note that this abritration request has now been withdrawn - Al is o n  ❤ 15:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Wael abbas DRV
I don't know if you're likely to read this, but I've put the Wael abbas article up for DRV. Andjam (talk) 03:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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Eli Soriano's Awards
The following is a reproduction of my message to another editor

Hi, I would like to call your attention to the Awards and Recognitions section of the Eliseo_Soriano article. I was unable to source 99.9% of the award-giving-bodies. When I Google them on quotes like "Sons and Daughter of Charity" then add "Philippines" as a qualifier the only website that comes up is the one here in WP.

According to the official website of [Gawad Amerika] "Gawad Amerika is an independent award-giving body based in the USA that recognizes the achievements of Fil-Am people in the field of acting, singing, professional carrers, businesses and the Life Time achievements since 2001." This is the real Gawad Amerika award and Soriano's group, who seem to be creating temporary award giving bodies for the purpose of giving awards to Soriano (and also to a few others so that it will not be so obvious) seem to have undermined the existence of a real Gawad Amerika, who only gives awards to Fil-Am people, and created their own temporary Gawad Amerika.

I was happy to find the Gawad Amerika website because I thought that at last I found an award-giving body that really exists, but alas! it is a different Gawad Amerika.

I also noticed that an award received by their website is listed there. How is it that an award intended for their church's website became an award of Soriano? That award is for the webmaster.

There is so much anomaly in that list. Barangay level appreciations were included, as well as awards issued by an unnotable radio program. All of them should not belong to an encyclopedia.

Thanks! - Shannon Rose (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Jet stream
I answered your question in the talk page. I'm amazed no one answered you sooner. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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Michael Walker (jockey)
It looks like you're not active anymore, but if you return your ehlp on Michael Walker (jockey) would be appreciated. The article now uses un-encyclopedic "peacock" words and appears to be original research. The article needs to be more neutral and needs sources. I've also posted a request for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Missing
I know it's not a big deal, but three years ago this week, you were the one who first greeted me into Wikipedia. I wish you would come back. This is not a perfect project, by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be better with you in it. Unschool (talk) 04:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I miss you too. I hope your life is a happy one.- gadfium 06:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Add my name to the list of Wikipedians who would like to see you back... Grutness...wha?  08:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back.- gadfium 18:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Sixteen edits since I started this section. Well, it's good to know you're still alive. Un sch  ool  14:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Venom
Pedantic unimportant trivia. Actually the Venom's wing is swept (very mildly) compared with a Vampire - check plan view or photo if you don't believe. Albeit it the leading edge of a DC3 may be swept more... though I'm sure this has everything to do with centre of gravity and a heavier engine and nothing to do with speed gains, which came from the thinner wing - and comment was misleading in article until you amended it. :-) Winstonwolfe (talk) 08:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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Waikato
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Contact arbcom
You have failed to respond to my queries. You need to contact myself or arbom immediately.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 21:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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 * Ok, I found a way to save it.  MBisanz  talk 02:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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 * 1) Michael Walker (jockey) -

Duncan Garner
Hi Moriori, I've left a reply on my talk page. XLerate (talk) 01:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Edward Cephas John Stevens
Thanks for the nice tidy up job on this page. Much appreciated. If you are interested in that topic area, I write about historic politicians quite regularly. If you wish, I'll bring it to your attention when they're ready for publication. Please reply on my talk page if you want to reply.  Schwede 66  06:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Have just finished (expanding) another article. William Montgomery (New Zealand) - feel free to have a look if you have a moment.  Schwede 66  04:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Stewart Island
Hi there. The previous editor on the Stewart Island article seems to have been correct (as far as my understanding goes) in that there is no commercial forestry or farming on the Island, but I haven't been able to find a handy reference that spells it out in so many words. I've put a "citation needed" on the statement the previous editor disagreed with. Just advising you of this so that you know it's not your actual edit I had a problem with. Cheers. Daveosaurus (talk) 08:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, no probs. Moriori (talk) 09:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits in Extretion
Can you inform me as to why you think the words used are a better choice than poop which is in fact common language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.125.253 (talk) 03:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Where you say common language you mean commonly used, but so is crap. Colloquialisms both, considered by many to be profanity. Feces it is. Moriori (talk) 03:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My parents would have beat my ass if I came home saying "excrement"; 1, they would have thought that I thought I was better than them, and 2..it sounds dirty. Like how "cock" (the proper term) sounds more vulgar than "wang" (a common word).  I went to college. --68.226.125.253 (talk) 03:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia can be hilarious at times. Thanks for your contribution. Moriori (talk) 03:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Naughty Randi the big hoax hoaxing hoaxer. Hoax.
Thanks for removing the listing for Randi in Possible hoaxes at List of hoaxes. I was worrying the listing, but found it difficult to discern whether it was a claim he was a paranormal fantasist or merely a reference. You've settled the matter.MartinSFSA (talk) 07:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Auckland Meetup 5 on 9 May 2010
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Matthew Laborteaux vs. Patrick Labyorteaux
I don't know the reason behind it, but Patrick Labyorteaux spells his name differently than the rest of the family. Linking Patrick Laborteaux gives a dead link, while Patrick Labyorteaux is valid. I know Patrick is adopted, but I doubt that is the reason. 67.170.59.75 (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Had you given an explanatory edit summary, which you didn't, I wouldn't have thought it unusual that you changed the surname spelling to Labyorteaux in an article about Laborteaux. Moriori (talk) 10:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Te Mahanga (Moehanga)
They are the same person (I'll add the alternative). The timeline of his visit to London as per Anne Salmond's "Between Worlds" (1997), which is both a more thorough and scholarly work than Te Ara, is as follows.


 * 1) 20 September 1805: The Ferret arrives in the Bay of Islands. Te Mahanga boards some time after.
 * 2) 31 January 1806: The Ferret arrives off Saint Helena.
 * 3) 27 April 1806: The Ferret arrives at Gravesend.
 * 4) 13 June 1806: The Ferret leaves London for the return to Port Jackson.
 * 5) 17 February 1807: The Ferret arrives at Port Jackson.
 * 6) c. March 1807: The Ferret returns Te Mahanga to the Bay of Islands.

He should have his own article, but I have been too busy to get around to it. Cheers, (Talk Contribs) 22:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, Salmond trumps TeAra. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 22:32, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Wiki glitch
Wiki does do strange things to editing sometimes! Must be one of those internet/server things.... Cheers, (Talk Contribs) 01:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect that you accidentally edited the 25 April revision of the article. If you were viewing a diff of Schwede66's edit, then perhaps you clicked on the "edit" link on the left side of the page, rather than the right side. It's an easy mistake to make, although there is a pink banner on the edit page saying that you are editing an old version.- gadfium 02:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Signature
I just wanted to give you the heads up that you did not sign your AfD entry here --  RP459  Talk/Contributions 21:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ta. Fixed, eventually. Moriori (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * :) -- RP459  Talk/Contributions 21:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

RM Taylor
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't remove redlinks from articles about MPs that I've written. They are there because they will have their own articles written at some point, possibly by myself. You can look at the tasklist in my userspace if you are interested. Thanks.  Schwede 66  02:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Beats me how deliberately creating redlinks in an article is helpful. It indicates something isn't kosher, that maybe the link was done incorrectly, so someoene has to take the time to have a look to find out what the situation is. Why not leave the link until there is an actual article to link to? What disadvantage would there be in that? Moriori (talk) 02:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You either haven't read WP:REDLINK, or you disagree with what is written there. If it is the former, then I recommend you should. If it is the latter, then it needs to be stated that we don't edit WP according to our personal tastes and preferences, but we go with accepted standards as defined by the WP community. I take a lot of care to create only those redlinks that are in compliance with the policy, and if you come across articles that I have created, you don't have to worry about it being kosher or incorrect. I have either created the redlink myself, or I watchlist the article to see what others are doing with them and will deal with incorrect redlinks myself.  Schwede 66  18:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You either haven't read WP:IAR or WP:BOLD or you disagree with what is written there. I am one of those who think presentation of information is not far behind quality of content in importance. Some articles are visual abominations, with redlinks galore. The article you are talking about is barely past stub, yet it has 15 redlinks. Fifteen! It looks awful.  I repeat from above --  Why not leave the link until there is an actual article to link to? What disadvantage would there be in that? " Moriori (talk) 01:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Given that I'm an accommodating person, I've done something about the redlinks, and they are now down to five. Four of those are due to missing pages for parliamentary terms (and I won't get onto those in a hurry), but I will address the one redlinked by-election soon. I hope you appreciate the effort. The reason that I set the pages up with redlinks is quite simple - when I started working on 19th century Canterbury political history, there were about (all these numbers are wild guesses) 50 MPs, 25 ex mayors, and a few dozen by-elections without pages. In addition, there are several dozen entries for political representation missing on electorate pages (and we are talking just Canterbury here). I'm working my way through this and it became very apparent to me very early on that all the players are very inter-related. Hence, I'm setting everything up with links in place as I create it, and over time, the redlinks turn into blue links. To go back over all the previous pages that mention a person / election / etc would create much more work. There's been great progress already, you might just like to compare the Christchurch electorate page from February with its current version. Along the way, there are numerous redlinks, but they will disappear quickly. I hope this explains it for you and you can relax. And by the way, the article that in your words is "barely past stub" has since been assessed as C class.  Schwede 66  06:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * On just one of the dozens of pages you created/work on you were able to remove 10 of 15 redlinks. Kinda makes my point. Just to clarify, by stub I meant visually stubbish, the bit that readers see. Moriori (talk) 08:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

David Coburn
Hi. It appears that you deleted this article as "patent nonsense per G1". Unfortunately, this article was actually the subject of vandalism and should have simply been reverted back to its prior state. I'll restore the article and revert it accordingly. --After Midnight 0001 18:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for that. Moriori (talk) 08:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Alaskan Authors/Billy Bryan Brown
While researching Alaskan authors, I came across your deleation of Billy Bryan Brown. Since I just finished his book, my curiousity was aroused. I began researching the subject. Under a Yahoo search I found five pages listed of him. I have found his book available in Barnes and Nobel, Ingram and Amazon. Newspaper articles from the Tennessean newspaper (Nashville), Capital City Weekly (Juneau, Alaska), Anchorage Daily News (Anchorage, Alaska) and a television program titled Marooned on CBS+5 (Nashville). All of these confirmed that he is indeed an Alaskan author. My search only took me about three minutes. Please apease my curiousity as to why you deceided to delete him from Wikipedia. QuillbackQuillback (talk) 06:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Quillback. Billy Bryan Brown was deleted back in 2007 because it wasn't really suitable as a wiki article, not because of the subject. When it was created on October 10 the article's total content consisted of only five words, "Billy Bryan Brown born 1952". User:VAcharon put a tag on it saying it was a candidate for speedy deletion because it had no context, and I agreed, deleting it with the tag "nocontext". The article was later recreated on December 21 when User:Doctorbrassstone  made three edits, unreferenced. That same day, User:Master of Puppets slapped a speedy delete request tag, A7, and User:Coredesat deleted the article at 21.00. If you believe you can create an encyclopedic article about Brown then go for it. The following articles will be able to assist you.
 * Tutorial
 * How to create your first article
 * Manual of Style
 * Cheers Moriori (talk) 08:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops! In my haste to thank you I hit the wrong edit button and posted on DB120. Please read below for my thank you. DB120 forgive me for the infringment.QuillbackQuillback (talk) 00:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Especially for your consideration for a first timer, and the information and links to the turorials. In honesty, I wasn't that intrigued in doing my first article about an individual, although it seems it's been thrust before me. Maybe in retrospect it's the perfect place for me to start. Again, thank you.QuillbackQuillback (talk) 00:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

DB120
Thanks for helping with that article. Daniel Christensen (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Noticed it at AfD, read it, and cringed at the statement that said "It plants 48 30 inch rows, making it 120 feet wide." Impossible, of course, because 48 rows have 47 spaces between them and 47 X 30 inches equals only 117 ft 6in, not 120.  Moriori (talk) 23:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Air India Express Flight 812
Whack!

I think you know why! DIFF Happy Editing! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 09:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You should read edit summaries. Moriori (talk) 09:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop reverting my changes. You're taking too long to make edits and it's causing loss of information.  The Rambling Man (talk) 09:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha ha ha. YOU removed the "under construction" tag. Remember? You removed it. It lets people know that there are others editing and there will/may be conflicts. Nice one. Moriori (talk) 09:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * With a hot news article, the trick is to copy your added text before saving. If you get an edit conflict, simply click on the article tab, then click on the section you were adding and past your copied text. That way, you don't inadvertantly overwrite other editors contribs or wreck refs etc. It is highly unlikely that an inuse will be heeded when so many are editing the article. Mjroots (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There's some good advice here. Hope you take it.  In any case, good luck with future articles.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Crux from New Zealand
Hi Moriori, indeed you're right - the Crux can only be seen from the southern hemisphere. But the article explicitly said that the NZ flag features the Crux "as seen from New Zealand", which seemed to suggest that it could look differently in other places. If you want, feel free to add a clarification - a better phrasing would be "the NZ flag features the Crux, which is visible from New Zealand, as well as from the whole southern hemisphere". --WinstonSmith (talk) 13:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you a better map?
Way back when, here, you added a map at Stewart Island/Rakiura. It had a superceded name of the island which did not include the name Rakiura. Have you a later map, or can you amend the name on the map you inserted? Moriori (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Other option is this German map which also does not include the name Rakiura: Stewart island2.png --Waltloc (talk) 21:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks like we may have a coordinated attack here.
Either that, or one guy playing silly buggers Half  Shadow  03:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gone, I think. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 03:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

NZ Maori RU team
"By changing Category:New Zealand Māori people to Category:New Zealand Māori rugby union team players for many Kiwi rugby players -- such as Carlos Spencer, Zinzan Brooke and Troy Flavell etc -- you have removed many Māori people from the only category that collates them together"


 * If they're in the team, it's a given they're Maori, or part Maori, as it's a subcat of Maori sportspeople. I think the category "Maori people" is too broad. Most other such categories are subdivided into occupation, location, religion etc. I think including both cats makes the broader one redundant. I looked to see if they were notable outside rugby but most of them weren't. Some of them have gone on to become successful politicians, but not many.--MacRusgail (talk) 00:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hang on there. I interpret you as saying it is not OK for Carlos Spencer to have both Category:New Zealand Māori people and Category:New Zealand Māori rugby union team players (two cats)
 * but it is ok that he has all ten of the following rugby categories
 * Category:New Zealand international rugby union players
 * Category:New Zealand Māori rugby union team players
 * Category:New Zealand rugby union players
 * Category:Auckland rugby union players
 * Category:Blues rugby union players
 * Category:Rugby union fly-halves '
 * Category:Rugby union fullbacks
 * Category:Northampton Saints players
 * Category:Barbarian F.C. players
 * Category:Gloucester Rugby players


 * You think including both Māori cats makes the broader one redundant. OK, shall I remove the New Zealand international rugby union players cat from Spencer? Clearly it's redundant, because playing for New Zealand Māori means he is a New Zealand international rugby union player.


 * You "looked to see if they were notable outside rugby but most of them weren't". That doesn't stop them being Māori? The category establishes them as Māori, not as sportspeople/businessmen. There is only one category that groups Māori together, and you have removed it. Please restore it. Moriori (talk) 01:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There isn't an overlap in the rugby categories mentioned - you'll notice that there's actually no overlap between them, apart from in the category, Category:New Zealand rugby union players, which overlaps with three/four of the others.


 * However, if someone is in Category:New Zealand Māori rugby union team players, they come under Maori sportspeople, and thus under Maori. I tend to think categories like "Maori people", which refer to a fairly large group, should be broken down further. Check out Category:Scottish people - despite there being a lot of us, very few Scots are in the main cat, and three or four of the people who are could be put into more specific ones.


 * We could have a monster category including all the hundreds/thousands (?) of articles on Scottish people, but it would be of little practical use because of its size. Likewise I suspect that there are hundreds of articles on Maori, which would be better served by going into subcats. --MacRusgail (talk) 08:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

--MacRusgail (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

SEEM
SEEM redirects to SEEM (disambiguation). If that latter page isn't allowed to exist, then where should SEEM redirect to? --Stybn (talk) 07:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Stybn. I was about to say that as we don't have articles called SEEM there is no need for disamb. But, I thought about it for a while, and have asked for advice. See User talk:RHaworth. Will keep ypu posted. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 22:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We now have a SEEM page which does the trick, created by RHaworth. Moriori (talk) 03:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Message to srich32977 & response
Why? Why are you delinking perfectly valid Wikilinks saying they are "redundant" when they clearly are not. I'm talking about this, this and this etc. Moriori (talk) 22:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not so. I just looked at Sylvia Browne, which you reverted.  Randi, paranormal, Larry King etc. are all redundant redundant.  But revert away if you must.  It is no skin off my teeth.  I enjoy editing. (Perhaps Sylvia can answer why you like unneeded wikilinks!) --S. Rich 23:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you explain what you mean by "Randi, paranormal, Larry King etc. are all redundant redundant"? Moriori (talk) 00:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

{| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Fundació Suñol
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Fundació Suñol article.
I introduced the information about Fundació Suñol twice, in 2008 and today. The information that I included was written by me, and sites as www.barcelona.com or other touristic websites are using this text because we send it almost two years ago. Could you please reaccept my article. I think it's important that Fundació Suñol appears in wikipedia (as already does in other many languages), because is an important museum in the city. Please, visit the website: www.fundaciosunol.org Xavier de Luca —Preceding unsigned comment added by FundaSunol (talk • contribs) 10:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC) {| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Su-30 MK1
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Su-30 MKI
Just to clarify, all Su-30MKIs use the AL-31 engine which until 2010 was only manufactured in Russia. Also, I have corrected the wording to state indigenously assembled (which is different from indigenously manufactured). Should that suffice or would you prefer the wording as it was? Vedant (talk) 03:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. I think people would generally interpret an indigenous (Indian built) aircraft to be Indian built, so it would be informative to explain that it had a Russian engine. But specifying "assembled" would fix the prob. Moriori (talk) 03:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand the confusion, I was actually just about to correct that. AFAIK, all the components used in the aircraft today are being manufactured in India (including the engine) per this although previous aircraft were manufactured using kits supplied from Russia. Vedant (talk) 04:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

{| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|2005 election
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2005 election
Moriori, please reconsider what you are doing at that article. The lead version you've restored reads, "The 2005 New Zealand general election held on 17 September 2005 determined the composition of the 48th New Zealand Parliament. No party won a majority in the unicameral House of Representatives, but the Labour Party of Prime Minister Helen Clark secured two more seats than nearest rival, the National Party of Dr Don Brash. With the exception of the newly-formed Māori Party, which took four Māori seats from Labour, most of the other parties polled lower than in the previous election, losing votes and seats." That version contains several unnecessary pieces of information (there is no need to state that the New Zealand parliament is unicameral there, for example), and some misleading statements (the Labour Party was not a party "of" Helen Clark, since it does not belong to her personally). I cannot see a good reason to restore a version that contains such things. Linbit (talk) 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC) {| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Deleting pagesl
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Deleting pages
When you delete pages, it would be helpful to warn the users who created them with a speedy notice, or else they will just keep doing it and they can never be reported to AIV, since there is no record on their talk page of what they have done. Regards,  WackyWace  converse 09:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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{| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Encyclopedia, not dictionary

Wiki=encyclopedia
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia,not a dictionary. Anyway, pseudoscience is defined by what it "is not" it is "pseudo" "science". It can "not" do it in any number of ways. Lead in is a summary. Defining pseudoscience by what it does do could take an eternity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 (talk) 03:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. I am obliged to AGF, so I guess I must thank you for your advice. However, we shall see how your creative efforts end up. Moriori (talk) 08:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

{| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Wikipedia articles can and should be broken up into sections You claim the lead I keep introducing is a POV, however you are wrong. The lead is based on cited material throughout the page, & simplifies the whole scope of the topic into ONE EASY SENTENCE. I'm sorry if your stance is that we should be complicating information in order to spread it, but I disagree with you. This page is all fudged up in a number of ways & I keep trying to fix it. I'll just need to put a tagit. Geez, you people.
 * }
 * ==Wikipedia articles can and should be broken up into sections==
 * ==Wikipedia articles can and should be broken up into sections==

it is not vandalism to organize a wiki page
Organization is what the kenosis version lacks.
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{| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Colin McLaren
 * == Colin McLaren ==
 * == Colin McLaren ==

Hi. I am unclear as to what needs to be altered to have this page accepted? It is not a copy of Profile Talent's webpage, infact I include that link for any interested party. The synopsis follows Colin's career chronologically (which obviously can't be changed), recent updates (not on Profile page) Also the page has been approved by Colin, who is contactable at cm@scuttlebuttmedia.net if required. I hope you will be able to clarify what is required, regards, alison —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizmolucy (talk • contribs) 08:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The article had identical content to http://www.profiletalent.com.au/colin-mclaren.html in part. That is copyvio. Info in the content can be rewritten for wiki purposes, and would obviously need to be, but the actual content cannot be cut and pasted. Moriori (talk) 08:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Colin McLaren
Hi. The first article was based on the profile page as i originally wrote that too, but the second does not. I have just rewritten it (second page posted) The information is not cut and paste. The facts are not changeable. I have included extra details and names but can not change the chronology. If i have missed a word or phrase can you please copy and paste what it is you are objecting to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizmolucy (talk • contribs) 09:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC) {| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=100% align="center" ! style="background:#dff2f3"|Mount Everest
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Mount Everest
While I applaud your changing of "geoid" to "MSL" in the Mount Everest article (and would have done it myself if I'd gotten there first), there is no way the edit meets the criteria listed at WP:MINOR. Please be careful to only mark as minor those edits that are such. Thanks! &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 02:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * To me it was a minor edit, replacing a confusing word that as far as I can see has never before appeared in this article in more than nine years. I would rarely plead IAR, but I sure do on this occasion. Moriori (talk) 05:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The point is not what any of us feel, but rather, "Does it meet the WP:MINOR criteria?" I recommend not using the "minor" checkbox if there could be any doubt. &mdash; Uncl<b style="color:darkred">eBubba</b> ( T @ C ) 11:07, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I must confess it is a l-o-n-g time since I read WP:MINOR, and have been editing on the basis that an amendment which does not change the meaning of the article is minor. I edited Mount Everest on this basis and gave a very clear reason in the edit summary.   I note it also says "a minor edit is one (that).......could never be the subject of a dispute". There wouldn't be too many edits in  Wiki that  someone wouldn't dispute, but OK, point taken. Moriori (talk) 20:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I had been doing patrol-the-crappy-edits-and-vandalism duty for a while that day and had admonished a bunch of folks for not supplying Edit Summary info and misusing the Minor checkbox when I ran across your edit. Considering your history, I should have said nothing. I think I was being a little bit too pedantic; sorry for bothering you! &mdash; <b style="color:black">Uncl</b><b style="color:darkred">eBubba</b> ( T @ C ) 21:14, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, no probs. It's motivated me to be more careful. Moriori (talk) 21:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


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FakhtneviM
Hi, I had a problem with that same user before you do in terms of him/her making ungrammatical edits to userboxes; in the case I dealt with, it actually reversed the userbox's meaning. I tried to assume good faith, but the fact that this user continues to fight with people and insist his/her grammar is perfect makes me think that the time is up for that. (I mean, it's one thing to be not-so-great with the English language, it's another to be in denial of that and continue to make the same errors after having them pointed out to you repeatedly.) I'm still pretty new to the counter-vandalism thing, though; do you suggest nominating FakhtneviM as a vandal and, if so, how do I go about it? Beggarsbanquet (talk) 09:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't think that is necessary, really. The FaktneviM's of this world eventually self destruct, so just have a little patience. Moriori (talk) 22:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 Daytona 500
If you are interesting in helping with the GA review, you are welcome to comment here. --  Nascar 1996 ( Talk • Contribs ) 00:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

John Carter
Former MPs do have working links in Parliament. If you weren't so eager to smash things rather than fix them, you would have noticed that. And you couldn't even be bothered to let me know there might be a problem. I hope our paths never cross again but I suppose I'll have to watch your contributions in future to make sure you aren't deleting everything I do. What a waste of time. Oh yeah - I'll assume you were smashing in good faith. As if. Thanks for ruining my (formerly) good mood, as I was enjoying making some useful contributions to Wikipedia articles. Kiwigov (talk) 01:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Now, a recap. With this edit you added a link to the current MPs list, for Carter. Problem was it was for David Carter, not John Carter so I removed it. I went to replace it with one for John Carter, but there is none, so I couldn't. You then added another link, but like the first one it too went to the wrong person, this time, Cam Calder. I removed it with the edit summary "Cannot replace it because Carter is no longer an mp". You have responded by inserting a brand new link to Former MPs. I was unaware Carter has been added to that list, but that is beside the point because I was removing links to current MPs. If you intend to edit Wikipedia for a while I suggest you don't shout in your edit summaries as you did with "Former MPs DO HAVE WORKING LINKS. Wikipedians fix links rather than delete them", and you address the actual issue and don't jump to conclusions. Moriori (talk) 02:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments on Tuku Morgan
You made some comments in your revision of my edits to Tuku Morgan. The comments are entirely justified, but it's not my fault, since the source updated their content. I've also added a note to the talk page of the page in question. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't you hate it when that happens? Maybe there are a journo and sub who got a bollocking for the original article (Waikato Times?) which wasn't entirely accurate. All cached stuff seems to have disappeared. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 23:10, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Minor edit flag
Thank you for your contributions. Please remember to mark your edits as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. --John (talk) 02:47, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Noted. Moriori (talk) 03:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Flight 19
I'm rather confused as to why you felt the need to use the revert function over my edit to the Flight 19 article. I was adding a space between the reference for the previous sentence and the following sentence, as they are seperate sentences. In general, reverting without leaving an explanation is used for anti-vandalism reverts, and I think it's pretty difficult to class my actions as vandalism. -  Chrism  would like to hear from you 14:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm rather confused too! I can't actually recall rv-ing that article. Must have clicked onthe wrong line while traversing down my watchlist yesterday. Absolutely no aspersion on you intended. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha, fair enough, managed that before myself. Also, apologies for the perhaps snappish tone of my message. Had a mild case of toothache at the time and wasn't in the best of moods. -  Chrism  would like to hear from you 11:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Hit the wrong link?
Just noticed this - did you hit the wrong link/button here or am I missing something completely. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh????? Absolutely not. I never edited that page even tho it shows that I did. That's the second time it has happened today (see Flight 19 above). I will have to report that my account may be compromised. Not sure where so have asked at ANI. Moriori (talk) 00:09, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's always with revert, it maybe something triggering revert rather than a compromised account (accidentally clicking on a watchlist etc?). It looks like this revert is another example. XLerate (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Cripes!! I wasn't even aware of that revert. Trust me I did not knowingly do that. Moriori (talk) 03:23, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the initial edit was just silly vandalism and didn't bother me, and I cannot believe the revert was deliberate. I only offered it as an example because I thought it may help understand the issue and determine the cause, it appears to show those reverts have been happening for a little while. XLerate (talk) 03:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just reverted and ignored the first edit, assuming it was a slip of a mouse button. Could someone have hijacked your authorization cookie? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Captain Cook
Thanks for fixing the Captain Cook link. I almost fixed it myself but it was so odd I thought there might be some reason for it being that way. Kendall-K1 (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

FYI
Please see this edit. Viriditas (talk) 04:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And this. Viriditas (talk) 05:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Kim Casali
Do you have references that she ever used the name Kim Grove professionally? She was born Marilyn Judith Grove, but became notable as "Casali", her legal surname following marriage and up until her death. Michelle Obama, for example, isn't referred to as Michelle LaVaughn Robinson. Jennifer Government 21:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

You may have thought it was obvious...
See Bill Asprey's (who has written and drawn Love is... since 1975 and was a close personal friend of the Casali's) website here and here. He quite clearly only uses the name "Kim Casali." Maybe he's just being obtuse? Jennifer Government 00:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me iterate. Kim Grove"s name was Kim Grove when she created the cartoons, and I provided a reference to show so. Even after she was married to Casali she published Love is... books with her name on the cover, Kim Grove. No-one denies she subsequently used Kim Casali. In the context of the article, using her name Kim Grove is accurate and verified by a reference. I suggest you have a look at illustrations of many of her books for sale on amazon.  Note the author's name on the covers -- Kim Grove. Moriori (talk) 01:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

More specific RfC on astrology
Thank you for your input on the RfC on Astrology. Because I was informed that the original RfC was too vague and general, I've reformulated it with specific concerns. The reformulated RfC can be found here: [] Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 13:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed edit for Astrology
I am making all recent contributors to the Astrology article and its discussion page aware of a proposed amendment to the text which discusses the 1976 'Objections to astrology' and the relevance of Carl Sagan's reaction. This is in response to the comments, criticisms and suggestions that have been made on the published text, with the hope of finding a solution acceptable to all. Your opinion would be very welcome.

The proposal is here.

Thanks, -- Zac  Δ talk! 15:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Sheila Laxon
The ref you added to Sheila Laxon regarding Empire Rose doesn't appear to working. You might want to check it out. Regards. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 02:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Editing 101 - after saving page, check that refs actually work! Smacks head. Ta for headsup. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 20:21, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

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A mistake, or something I need to be aware of? -- Ludwigs 2 22:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh. Slips. ! Moriori (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * HahaH! wet noodle time.    -- Ludwigs 2  23:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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October 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You are welcome to rephrase your comment as a civil criticism of the article. Thank you. ''An incident report has been place here for personal attacks to User:JamesAlan1986. This warning is being placed so you can defend your actions.'' <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">JamesAlan1986</b> *<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred;">talk 06:00, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:
First off back off my talk page. Second I did warn you I just didn't post it right here learn to read it said and I qoute "An incident report has been place here for personal attacks to User:JamesAlan1986. This warning is being placed so you can defend your actions. JamesAlan1986 *talk 06:00, 15 October 2011 (UTC)" with a link to the incident report. So back off. Third I don't owe him anything, he was doing disruptive edits that were unnecessary and you were told the same thing and also I'd like to point you to Tbhotch's talk page where I actually said I felt bad for filing it after I found out you done the same to Fastily cause I didn't see it on her talk page. So maybe you should back up a few steps and stop being a drama queen and learn to read and also learn to when it's appropriate to say something and what's too much to say. How about you try that? Now back up, back off and leave me alone and learn to read what's under the guidelines before you assume things and jump onto people. That's all I'm asking. Thank you. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">JamesAlan1986</b> *<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred;">talk 04:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That is largely incoherent, but I think you want me to back off your talk page. That's curious, considering that the section below this one   -- on my talk page -- was posted by you after you asked me to not post on yours. Interesting. Moriori (talk) 07:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

AN/I notice
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Many Thanks
The work you did on the rangatira is incredibly interesting. Well done. Te Karere —Preceding undated comment added 08:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC).

75 Squadron
Can you a reference for your recent edit please. The article captures some useful and interesting NZ military history and sources will also be of interest. Thanks for your efforts.NealeFamily (talk) 04:35, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Any you can add against facts and statements made in the article would be useful. I'm quite happy to go digging for any items that look like they need a reference added, but as you have quite extensive knowledge on the subject you might be a bit faster than me. NealeFamily (talk) 09:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hone heke
Hi Mo- I have read that section and taken it into account but that section has rather been overtaken by the 2000 letters in French that the vatican sent the Waikato Uni to translate. These reveal more intimate knowledge of what the Catholics missionaries were thinking. The difference is between what they were saying in public and what they were thinking and writing about between themselves is quite startling.Also was it co-incidental that when Kororareka was burnt down the French mission remained untouched? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.39.161 (talk) 01:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

We?Wi Ripa?
My mistake its Wi not We.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.39.161 (talk) 09:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

To answer your question
Hi Msalmon. When you removed material from the X Factor's Week 7 (December 7/8) section, you asked "why do you need to say Scherzinger was booed off stage, what has that got to do with the actual result?"

The info did not say she was booed "off the stage", and it was in the details section, not the results section. Details of other weeks also include information about those weeks, such as Week 2 recording Cowell telling Astro that he didn't like his attitude, and Week 6 recording that Jackson's family was in the audience. The booing of Scherzinger was noteworthy, being reported worldwide. Even Scherzinger's own Wikipedia article says  she "was also booed by the studio audience....." This article is about X Factor 2011. The audience reaction to Scherzinger in Week 7 is a noteworthy, verifiable and referenced historical detail, so I am restoring the information. Moriori (talk) 22:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Response
Please see my response to your comments at User talk:Northern winter. Thank you, AndrewJFulker (talk) 13:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There are so many things wrong with what you wrote there. I will comment after Northern Winter responds. Moriori (talk) 20:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You have reverted the edit of Northern Winter on the Staines page and also removed valid, factual information which was put in place by someone who seems to be a resident of the town. The former name of the railway station and those which have closed down, the continued use of the name of a former resident as the name of a secondary school, the name, use and dates of the stadium and other unbiased, factual information has gone. It seems that you have let a personal disagreement with another Wikipedian taint your ability to edit the page in an objective way. The aforementioned contributor is now reluctant to edit the page about the town they live in as they are in fear that you will block them from editing again. May I suggest that you have become emotionally involved in this issue and that you too should step back from the Staines page and ask people who are not involved in the heated discussion to deal with the wording of the page. AndrewJFulker (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure I reverted Northern Winter, and I have clearly explained those rvs at Staines:Talk. It seems you need to start again, to learn what Wikipedia is. It is an encyclopedia, not a citizen's private blog, in which he controls the content. Wikipedia makes the rules, not him, not you and not me. I suggest you spend some time reading WP:WELCOME and the guidelines/rules it leads to. What do the names of railways stations, or the school named after a former resident, or the name and use and dates of the stadium -- have to do with me?


 * Suggesting I am "emotionally involved" is insulting. Moriori (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I certainly did not intend to insult you and I am sorry if that is the way I came across. I agree that Wikipedia is not a private blog; however we do all control the content. The items that I listed were all details that the other contributor had added and that disappeared when you reverted his last edit; I’m sure that this was unintentional and will assume good faith. I have read all the posts involved, as well as all the citied references, and I feel that that there are definitely two sides to this discussion. It is not my place to adjudicate between fellow contributors, but I do feel, as stated in my original comments, that we should set aside the contentious parts of this issue and simply put the facts on the page without coming down on either side of the argument. I stand by this comment. I also feel that I am too close to this discussion to permit me to make the relevant edits and would like to leave it to neutral members of the online community to do this for us. AndrewJFulker (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Village stocks
There was an old discussion at Wikipedia talk:Village stocks whether this page move qualified for entrance into the village stocks. At that time you weren't active, so I thought you might want to know since you've returned now. Double sharp (talk) 11:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wunderbar, those were the days. Actually the move wasn't made by me but mea culpa for not better supervising someone who I was introducing to the ways of Wiki. Any particular reason why you raise this now? Moriori (talk) 21:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Moriori (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I found that when looking through Wikipedia talk:Village stocks. Double sharp (talk) 04:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

ManawatuNZ
The username issue was a bit more complicated than that. I would be willing to unblock if s/he were clearer about what the relationship between him/her and that website was, and they put in for a username change. Daniel Case (talk) 13:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She has asked to be unblocked, and I see User:Max Semenik has asked her some questions that will need satisfactory answers if she is to return, (with a new username). Cheers. Moriori (talk) 23:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Erasmus Mundus
An article that you have been involved in editing, Erasmus Mundus, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ejly (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC) I saw your comment from years back on this article and thought you may want to weigh in on a merger proposal: ejly (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Te Kooti
Hi Mo, to start with some of your more interesting observations. The Ringatu article is almost certainly written by the people in the cult as it has little mainstrean influence at all and they are very secretive about some practices-a bit like the Mormons. If the word cult had been invented in Te Kooti's time it would have been the word used to describe them. The only difference I can see between say the Hau hau and Ringatu(on the surface) is that Ringatu didnt eat their victims but then Hau hau didnt torture their captives, as far as I know. If you check out what cult means you will see that it applies exactly to TK.ie Cohersive, getting people isolated, placing them under stress,constantly browbeating them with the same message and all based around one figure. If you consider what TK actually did there is no way he was a christian. If someome behaved like that today they would be considered a psychopathic killer. Where is the christianity in stealing? Mass murder?Brutal torture? Rape?Sedition? Killing peace messengers? Getting drunk?Come on get real!These are historiacl facts which no one disputes.

I doubt you have ever read Crosby's book on Mair.It gives the other dark side of TK. Crosby makes it very clear that TK was a wild one from childhood and he got far worse when he discovered booze.Its pretty bad when your own relatives hunt you down with a war party and drive you off your own lands.Crosby is very clear on the multiple wives-many at the same time -not very christain that!He also says that others wives were not safe when TK was around. This is what caused Titokawarau's demise too. We know today that TK was an exact fit for a psychopath-he had every one of the 15 traits assocaited with these unfortunates. Rebel -of course he was. He spent 4years actively killing nz citizens ,both Maori and Pakeha including fighting vitually the whole of what was then the NZ army.Both Te R and HH lived at a time before British law and order were properly established and both were steeped in the bloodthirsty ancient tikanga of war. Both of these gents literally got away with murder as there were not enough police/ soldiers to bring them to justice in those very early days so Grey had to work around them. Hey, if you dont like my grammar or whatever improve it-that's what good editors do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.185.98 (talk) 09:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good editors don't post pov rubbish. Moriori (talk) 19:42, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Mormons
Hi Mo. Mormons are a relatively small religion apart from maybe in Hamilton. When the Mormon High school,Church College, closed about 2 years ago the various mormon teachers and managers were able to move to some of the other schools in Hamilton (and elsewhere?). Mormons have some distinctive practices,perhaps the best known being abstaining from alcohol but also have secret religious practices.The particular school in question has a liberal tradition.I dont know of any city in NZ where both husband and wife are both principals,let alone mormon principals.The details as mentioned are just facts.By all accounts Mr Crawford is a fine principal.The candidate who withdrew was a Maori Catholic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.184.199 (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC) (Replied at talk Fairfied College).

Possibly unfree File:Tane Mahuta sign.jpg
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Editing help
Your comments are not helpful Mo. Most editors try to be useful and not negative. Assume good faith is the first rule of editing. 1-2 mts on your time would have been enough to verify all the information on Te Kooti written by (mostly ) the renown Judith Binney as all the sources were accurately named. It sounds to be like you have a bureaucratic mind set maybe.Lighten up, be postive use your editing skills to help, not hinder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.184.199 (talk) 10:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * How many times have you bee advised re including references, by how many different editors, and how many times have you ignored that advice? Moriori (talk) 00:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Blue (Bill Mack song)


A tag has been placed on Blue (Bill Mack song) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 11:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Blue by LeAnn Rimes
It has been stated before and I will say it again. THE SOURCES THAT CLAIM THAT BILL MACK RELEASED THE SONG AS A SINGLE IS NOT RELIABLE please stop thank you! Please see here, and here. If this continues I will report you to an admin. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 11:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Blue (Bill Mack song)


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing inappropriate pages, such as Blue (Bill Mack song), is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 13:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

February 2012
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Blue (Bill Mack song), you may be blocked from editing. Because of here, here, and here I know this page was made out of a deliberate attempt of vandalism. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 13:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:
First off you created that page after an edit war. Second what you did was wrong as WP:COMMON is also on my side. Rimes is most noted for the song not Mack so yes I will protest it because it's funny how all these rules are set into place on Wikipedia but yet everyone picks and choices when to use them and when to not. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 15:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Swifty, it is tiresome trying to communicate with you because you continually change direction. I was never aware you were engaged in an edit war. I independently created a new article (because it never existed) and moved the title of another, edits which were and are not wrong per WP:COMMON.


 * WP:COMMON redirects to Use common sense, which in part says "it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule."


 * Hallelujah (Leonard Cohen song) is so named because he wrote the song. It was common sense to name it after him, not any of the 200 or so artists who covered it.


 * Blue (Bill Mack song) is so named because he wrote the song. It was common sense to name it after him, not any of the artists who covered it.


 * Don't go off on any more tangents. Seems to me it would be rewarding for you to honour your "Retired" banner,  to go away for a bit to recharge, and then come back refreshed sometime in the future. Moriori (talk) 00:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

No you are choosing to pick your battles to make me wrong WP:COMMON means things like Sailor Moon every page is named Sailor Moon as it is a common name for the franchise just like Blue is commonly known by Rimes and not Mack. So you're picking and choosing the rule and that's not right of you to do. Also you're sitting here trying to do it to more then one page which makes me question you more. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 15:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Also BACK OFF ME! Don't lass at me cause you don't like the contradictions being shown to you that's a weak argument and a low blow. I do not have internet at home anymore and have been forced to get on here when I can because of crap you no nothing about. And because of that I had to retire my account but because of your vandalism I've had to get on here everyday because no one wants to follow the rules. It's sickens me. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:blue;">Swifty</b>* <sup style="margin-left:0.37ex; color:darkblue;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex; color:darkblue;">contribs 15:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Recording my message zapped from user:numbaonestunna's talk
The summary for one of your most recent edits said "You didn't know what I was trying to do. Why don't you try waiting a few minutes as people get their stuff in order?". Of course I didn't know what you were trying to do. I am not psychic. You made 11 edits to this article today, two as IP 71.243.108.235 and the rest as User:Numbaonestunna. In only one of those edits did you leave an edit summary, the one I have quoted here.! This is a wonderful example of why editors should give edit summaries! Moriori (talk) 22:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC) Moriori (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)