User talk:Mortee/Archive 1

Mortee, you are invited to the Teahouse!
No one responded to your question, but if you are looking for a new feature, WP:VPT may be the place to ask.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:04, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I might do that. I do think being able to look over recent changes that haven't been undone would make vandalism prevention easier to do. Mortee (talk) 01:18, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Rollback granted
Hi Mortee. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AMortee enabled] rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
 * Use common sense.
 * Thank you very much User:Juliancolton, for the vote of confidence and for the guidance. I'll do my best to be responsible. Mortee (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for triggering you
Limey rat. 2604:2000:814B:B300:5847:1300:4FBA:AA12 (talk) 16:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Insulting people is really not OK on Wikiedia. There are some guidelines here. I undid your original edit because it was unencyclopedic and rudely phrased, not because I'm personally upset by it. I hope you'll consider making real improvements to Wikipedia. Mortee (talk) 16:55, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * : also, please note that the 'TW' in my edit summary isn't short for 'trigger warning'. It's short for 'Twinkle', a tool I and others use for editing. Mortee (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Please note, you're a Jewish limey. 2604:2000:814B:B300:8D25:C015:A287:B064 (talk) 08:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Large deletion of sources
Noticed that your partook in the discussion of sources over at Kim Soo-hyun's page. Discussion isn't over but IP user has removed the sources again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:E800:E610:1D5:8977:F38:37AB:CB3D (talk) 18:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting; thanks for letting me know. I'm not inclined to revert them a second time because I don't want to get into an edit war and I can't assess the quality of the sources myself (not speaking the language). I definitely wish they would join the conversation rather than just culling the references, though. In several cases they're removing sources but leaving the claims, which leaves the article a bit lacking in references. I'll add another comment to the talk page and continue to watch that. Anyone who believes the references should stay in place is free to reinstate them, of course. Thanks again. Mortee (talk) 19:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

IPv6: I'm Obsolete
Mortee,

I've been a quiet member of the IETF since 1984, was active in starting the Net in 1964-65, and helped drive the evolution of ARPAnet into DARPAnet in 1971~73. My last serious work in it all was now 32 years ago, briefing the FBI and some military folks about security stuff. Since then I have only watched for the most part. Your note on the interfacing of Wikipedia to IPv6 users interested me, though. {Thinks: Hey, Koreans are most likely to have that sort of thing under control...} What do you do? How did this question come up? And do you have any thoughts on what I should be reading? Best,

David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 20:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm not sure which note you're referring to. Could you point me towards it? I work in tech but really don't know anything about the underlying protocols, including IPv6. All I know about it is that IPv4 addresses were running out as the number of internet-enabled devices ballooned and IPv6 gives massively more possible addresses. Honestly, I'd be starting by reading the wiki article myself! I'm sure you know more than me on the topic. Working on the development of the net so early in its evolution sounds completely fascinating. Mortee (talk) 22:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, found it. The issue there is that this page suggests using https://whois.domaintools.com/ to find out some information about where an IP address is registered, when a logged-out user has vandalised something. In particular, if it's an IP address used by a school or another institution, there are probably multiple actual people who use it, so we add a banner to their talk page to note that they might be seeing vandalism warnings intended for others, and to suggest registering an account so they can edit independently. But now more and more computers use IPv6 and that tool isn't able to look them up. I mentioned it in the hope that someone could point to a tool that would work better in those cases. Mortee (talk) 22:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Mortee, I've just run across something that I'm going to have to fix over the next little while.  There is a little knot of errors around the Second and Third Congressional Districts of Indiana, and this unfortunately means errors in a whole bunch of places.
 * I was reading up on Mike Pence someplace, and it said he represented the Second District at some point. This seemed unlikely to me, since I knew he was from the south end of the state, and from there I found that Wiki had John Brademas in the Third, which is incorrect, and Earl Landgrebe in the Second, which is also false.  I know John Brademas was in the Second because I worked for him in the 89th and 90 Congresses, and have walked the streets and driven all around the place, but I don't know the others at all.
 * I'll e-mail John's ex-LA (Legislative Assistant) Jack Duncan, and I'll see who I can make contact with in the others just to make sure I get it right. I'm fairly busy, so I doubt that I'll get around to it for a while, but...
 * Anyway, at some point in the middle of the year I'll probably ask you for help. So thanks in advance.
 * BTW, Is this the easiest way of communicating around here? Isn't there any kind of intra-Wiki mail system?
 * Cheers,
 * David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi! That sounds like a fiddly sort of problem. Good luck with it! Yes, I think messages on talk pages are the easiest way to communicate. Mortee (talk) 05:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "Fiddly"? "Fiddly" you say??  Is not All connected to Everything?  And indeed vice versa?


 * Can you not feel the Imbalance in Universe, vibrating hither and yon, coursing into your very Self through the soles of your feet and the feet of your Soul?


 * You can't? Oh, woe is me.  And, again, vice versa.


 * What the hell, it's probably a minor skill worth having, and it's good that I can work on it with something non-controversial and objectively verifiable. (I dread the possibility that the district lines may have changed over the years, which will threaten the necessity of explaining both geography and Wikipedia to half a dozen different ideologically avid bunches of Congressional harpies...)


 * Cheers,


 * David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 05:14, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Miki Rofū has been accepted
 Miki Rofū, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. . Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Quasar G. (talk) 14:58, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
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AfC notification: Draft:Martha Barnette has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Martha Barnette. Thanks! SwisterTwister  talk  22:27, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Re: AfD
I've posted a suggestion and a comment at Articles for deletion/Outline of the Bible. The Transhumanist 20:30, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * (For further information, see Moving a page) The Transhumanist 20:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks! Mortee (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. The Transhumanist 22:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Taking outlines to the next level
It's true that "outline" is a list format, but most people who know about outlines are only familiar with printed outline formats. Like the outlines students create in planning a paper for school, or a topic outline presented to the class by the professor at the beginning of the term, and static outlines presented on a web-page.

"Outline" takes on a new meaning for those who use them in an outliner. Their format is no longer static, and can be modified by the push of a button. In an outliner, how you look at an outline is determined by what you need to look at, at the present instant. And since outlines are easily parsable, computer software can alter the view with ease to suit the needs of the user.

Outlines are tree structures, with multiple levels, and are often annotated. Keep in mind that for outliner users, lists are thought of as an outline branch, or as an outline with only 1 level. Outliners work on lists just as easily as they do with outlines (after all, outlines are a type of list). Many lists are annotated in the same way.

Outliners can alter the view of any format feature of an outline. For example, in an outliner, you can press a button to make the annotations disappear, and reappear again, at will.

Wikipedia outlines and lists are cool because their entries are linked directly to articles. Which makes them great for browsing. But it can become a pain to click on entries just to find out if they are something you want to read about. And so, we added annotations, to provide brief descriptions, to help in topic selection, just like on a menu at a restaurant.

But, the annotations can interfere with rapid browsing. It's so much easier to look over a list of topics when there isn't any other prose on the page. Wouldn't it be nice to have a button to make those annotations disappear, and reappear again, at will?

With such a button, you could hide the annotations, and browse down the list until you got to a term you didn't know. Then, with the push of the button again, you could read the annotation for that entry, and then make the annotations disappear again, as you continued down the list.

Well, I'm in the process of developing a script that will do that (and eventually other things, too).

It's User:The Transhumanist/anno.js.

I figured out how to get it to make annotations disappear. Unfortunately, I have yet to figure out how to make the page appear in the same place on the screen. Removing text currently displaces the viewport. But I'll figure it out eventually.

In the meantime, please feel free to beta test the script on your user account (for scripts to work, you must be logged in). And if you know any JavaScript programmers, I could sure use their help.

So far, I've only tested it out on Firefox.

To install it, place the following line on your User:Mortee/common.js page. Or, if you use the vector skin, you could put it in your User:Mortee/vector.js page:

It needs a lot of work, but I hope you like it so far. (It's a sign of things to come).

Let me know what you think.

Sincerley, The Transhumanist 22:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * thank you for taking the time to explain all that to me! I'll have to take some time to digest it, look at the outline project a bit and try out the script. What are some good pages to try it out on to see the effect?


 * I wonder, what other options are there for making text like annotations appear and disappear when needed? Perhaps tooltips might be something to try, or more use of hatting, perhaps an inline hatting format (some sort of right arrow at the end of a line that you either mouseover or click on to expand an annotation on the same line). I haven't tried out the script yet, but if I've understood you, it's a single button to make all the annotations appear and disappear at once, right? Flipping back and forth between the annotated and unannotated versions could be nice, but I can also imagine it being a little jarring, even with the the viewport issue solved. You'd still have text moving a bit unpredictably around as lines spilled over the width of the screen, and the button presumably doesn't know which line you were reading, which will make that one hard to keep still.


 * Sorry if any of these are dumb thoughts; I'm still pretty new here and I don't know much about the more advanced formatting that might be available.


 * Mortee (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * That is, depending on how long the annotations typically are, of course. Glancing through a couple of draft outlines just now, they seem often to be very short, so it wouldn't be as disruptive to turn them all on or off at once, and it might be annoying to have to mouseover or click individual annotations to see them. Mortee (talk) 00:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Or both could be made available: provide the instant show/hide button, and have hover-popup work when the annotations are hidden


 * Here are some pages to try the script out on:


 * List of conservationists
 * Outline of cell biology
 * Outline of chess


 * So far, the draft only works on annotations that start with en dashes. So it misses most annotations in non-outline lists. Other separators will be added eventually. I started out with en dashes, because that is the separator used the most for annotations in outlines.


 * The toggle activates/inactivates all annotations (that start with an en dash). As you pointed out, there is the problem with some text moving around even when the viewport is stabilized. One solution is to leave the annotations off (hidden) and use the gadget Navigation Popups. Then all you have to do is hover the mouse cursor over any term you don't understand, and a preview of that page pops up (so you can read the definition).  That functionality still works as expected with the anno script running.


 * Showing annotations (when they are all hidden) using popup technology would be a very nice feature. I'll definitely look into it -- fortunately Navigation Popups is written in JavaScript, and so its source code may be of help here. I've added it to the desired features list. I wonder how this feature would work with Navigation Popups activated. Maybe the anno popup feature could be keyed off of the bullet, rather than an entry's term link.


 * You are a very good brainstormer. I look forward to your future posts.


 * You mentioned that you are new. What helped me get up to speed when I was new to WP was working on the TOTD department. JoeHebda could always use the help of another tipster over there. We've gathered some of the very best tips all in one place.  You might like it.  Besides new tips, the department also needs editors to proofread the tips before they go live. After all, the TOTD is automatically displayed on the 2 highest-traffic community pages. Which reminds me, I've got to take a look at tomorrow's tip! (see Totd-tomorrow) The Transhumanist 00:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * My first barnstar, for my first article! Thank you very much, for this and for your help polishing Rofū Miki. Mortee (talk) 15:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Congrats. The Transhumanist 00:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Rofū Miki
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

A year ago, you were recipient no. 1596 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! Your encouragement early on is a big part of why I'm still here. Thank you again. Mortee (talk) 19:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

In case you are interested
Automatic taxonomy construction just got an overhaul.

It's the technology that would be used for creating outlines by bot.

It would be nice to have a person unfamiliar with the subject read the article and report on the talk page what they had difficulty understanding, so the article can be made easier to digest.

Hope to see you there. The Transhumanist 11:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Hey, I've added some suggestions to the talk page. You may want a fresher pair of eyes, though - I've studied maths and logic and worked professionally building a knowledge base and inference system that included a taxonomy, so I could well be missing other bits of the article that would trip up other readers. Mortee (talk) 20:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Makes sense. By the way, please tell me more about your experience with building a knowledge base and inference system that included a taxonomy. Sounds like it might be relevant to what I'm working on. Are you by any chance, a programmer?  If so, what programming languages do you know/use? The Transhumanist 01:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid not. I know some basic Python but not a lot. The part of my job that involved building the taxonomy was basically manual so it might not apply here either. Mortee (talk) 06:13, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Henlee Hulix Barnette
Hello! Your submission of Henlee Hulix Barnette at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Template:LibraryThing author has been accepted
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A page you started (George Ronald Richards) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating George Ronald Richards, Mortee!

Wikipedia editor CaroleHenson just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

"It's a nice article, good job!"

To reply, leave a comment on CaroleHenson's talk page.

Learn more about page curation.

–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * thanks! Still a bit of a work in progress. It's been fun learning about the subject. Mortee (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I bet! I am moving on... reviewing other new articles, but if you'd like some help later, let me know. It seems, though, that you have things well in hand. By the way, I worked on Elyesa Bazna - about a World War II spy - and really enjoyed that as well. Take care,–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Henlee Hulix Barnette
— Maile (talk) 00:52, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Unexplained reversions
Any idea why someone from the Isle of Man is going around reverting your changes? Two different IPs starting with 37.18.142 look to have been re-instating dubious content you removed. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 20:10, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * no idea - were they the same IPs that added the content originally? I haven't seen the edits you're referring to. Mortee (talk) 20:12, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Some of it was, others weren't. Lessee... The William LeGate stuff has been formally deleted, so I can't point to those edits, but it was stuff added by the same IP. Other than that, we have: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 by one IP, and another LeGate edit and 6 by a different IP. I suspect the reversion of the LeGate content triggered this, seeing events falling out. Tarl N.  ( discuss ) 20:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Odd. That last one was on a page I didn't edit, but I guess the first IP took a disliking to me because of LeGate and went through my contributions to mess with them. Thank you for reverting them back. Mortee (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Pending changes reviewer granted
Hello. Your account has been granted the "pending changes reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at Special:StablePages.

Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

See also:
 * Reviewing pending changes, the guideline on reviewing
 * Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes
 * Protection policy, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * thank you very much. I'll do my best to use this responsibly. Mortee (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for George Ronald Richards
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Souks of Tunis and other translated articles
I agree with your proposed merger but wanted to let your know that there is a proposal to mass-delete everything on this list so if you want to merge the content (and I think we should) perhaps the time is now. Elinruby (talk) 07:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for letting me know. I've been away for the last two weeks so wasn't able to participate. Could you link me to the deletion discussion so I can see the arguments and outcome? Mortee (talk) 14:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard/CXT/Pages_to_review#Instructions_subpage Elinruby (talk) 01:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Futility Closet Podcast proposed for deletion
Hi, Mortee. I recently created an article for the Futility Closet Podcast, which I believe is a subject of interest to you. The article has been nominated for deletion on notability grounds. Please stop by Articles for deletion/Futility Closet Podcast and add your opinion. Thanks! L ANTZY T ALK 18:46, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for letting me know. I've added a comment to the AfD and I'll see if I can contribute to the article. Writing one has been on my to-do list for a while and at the moment it looks a little confused and a little promotional, after some changes since you messaged me. Mortee (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * by the way, I see you've put together an entire list of episodes. I'm seriously impressed. That must have taken a lot of effort. Mortee (talk) 02:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it took a few hours! L ANTZY T ALK 02:35, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for saving this article. I too worked hard to save it.  I just talked to a well-known recreational mathematician (LS) and he, for one, was very grateful that Futility Closet has survived.  Too bad we could not save the extremely well-crafted and useful List of Futility Closet Podcast episodes--Toploftical (talk) 22:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Invention concept
You reverted my contribution to the "invention" lemma with unfriendly criticism that is not justified in my view. See my comments on my own talk page. Rbakels (talk) 10:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)