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Archived. Ncmvocalist (talk) 11:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

MONGO 2 case
So what now...I wholeheartedly agree that a big decrease in drama would be great. But I can't shake these guys lose...my only recourse to get them off my back is if you guys tell them to cease and desist...ban me or ban them...otherwise, I have to abandon my account! I can't twitch without some of these editors running to some noticeboard to cry a river over it. Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy of wanting to link to websites that attack our contributors, but when someone doesn't treat them like royalty, they come screaming for some kind of sanction to be implemented., ...so what do guys such myself and JzG do to shake off these guys? Let them run us off the site? I'm not faulting your decision...it is likely the best one...but what advice can you offer? I am doing what I can to not be baited, but they lay out some really delicious morsels. How many frivolous complaints does a person have to make before they are creating more drama then we really need?--MONGO (talk) 12:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I simply feel that an arbcom case right now would only give people more scope to be disruptive and would be unsatisfying. However - disruption is disruption, and blockable in serious cases. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 14:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I am appalled at your voting statement. As I read it, this amounts to a threat of taking action against people who ask the arbitration committee to do their job! Please clarify exactly what you meant by "if the drama does not stop all involved editors may be subject to sanction". This arbitration request is about getting you to stop the drama, by enforcing the civility policy. --Barberio (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Then you misunderstand. I was warning that anyone who thinks that one 'side' is blameless and the other wholly to blame is probably mistaken, given what I'm seeing, and that an arbcom case, if opened, would most likely sanction not only MONGO.  Think of it as a final warning and a invitation for everyone involved to look at their behavior and see if they can find ways to disengage and reduce the drama and incivility. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 14:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem here is that your reluctance to accept the case is seen as endorsement of the status quo. Most people on the wiki *WANT* both 'sides' of this stupid drama sat down, and firmly told that Civility is not a guideline but a core policy. We *WANT* you to sanction everyone who willfully and regularly breaks this policy! We *WANT* the Arbcom to stop punting this issue in the hope that it'll go away, because it's been a major problem for years now, and rejecting this case will only lead to more 'Drama' from the two warring 'sides'. Accept that because of lax attitudes towards the enforcement of Civility, the dispute resolution system has broken down, and ArbCom intervention is needed to fix it. --Barberio (talk) 22:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Since you wish to circumvent the 'drama' of a full case, I have made a formal request for clarification, so the arbcom can answer the simple question of "Can 'Standing in the Project' be used to mitigate personal attacks and incivility". You have the opportunity now to put all parties on notice that the NPA and Civility policies are enforceable regardless of someone's popularity or contributions. --Barberio (talk) 23:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Something that really concerns me is this statment, which acknowledges sanctions should most likely be applied:
 * "that an arbcom case, if opened, would most likely sanction not only MONGO"
 * If there have been:
 * Likely violation of wikipedia policy (as Arbcom members have stated), and
 * There are a lot of editors who want this case to go forward...


 * Why is the Arbcom hesitating to accept this case?


 * This is the only reason I can personally figure out:


 * ''Many members of the Arbitration committee are loathe to upset the community again by sanctioning Mongo further.


 * I really don't blame the Arbcom for not taking this case. No wikipedian would ever want the same condemnation of the same dozens of powerful wikipedians who condemned the incredibly unpopular Mongo desop.


 * As I write this, despite the rule violations on all sides, no arbitor seems to want to be the pivotal fourth arbitrator to accept this case.


 * So like the US Supreme Court often does with incredibly controversial and explosive issues, the arbitration committee may well "punt" by voting to not take this case, and let the "mob" hopefully solve the problem. Jim Wales may simply ban the ED editors. Admins may eventually block or ban both parties, and the Arbcom avoids upsetting influential fellow wikipedians.
 * Out of courtesy, I want to let you know that I am going to post the last portion of what I wrote here on the Request for Arbitration page, without quoting you. Thanks for listening.
 * Barberio clearly articulates my views better than I could myself, so I won't say more.Travb (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

email delivery failure
PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 550 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table

I have no idea what that means. Do you have another email address I can try? Mine is at gmail.com, the username is coelacan. ··coe l acan 12:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Anonimu pending case
I am generally opposed to the communication with Arbitrators outside of the ArbCom pages, but I am merely asking you to read what I posted to Requests for arbitration since this message would loose part of its relevance once the case is accepted and the acceptance is pending. So, I am posting this message to all Arbitrators who indicated the interest to this case by casting their votes so far. You do not have to respond if you think that my concerns have no merit. Regards, --Irpen (talk) 22:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Your challenge
Taking it on board. Thanks, SqueakBox 07:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova ArbCom
Since I have not been able to get an answer to this on the project page, let me ask you directly: Did you receive Durova's "secret evidence" prior to the blocking of User:!!? Isarig (talk) 17:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm ashamed to see your comment
I was far from expecting you to hit the lowest point in the Durova arbitration, but there we go, it's always the unexpected that happens. I'm ashamed to see your comment here. My response doesn't seem to have interested you or any other arbitrator. I have stopped expecting it; all the same, here it is again. Bishonen | talk 18:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC).


 * I answered this in private email to Bishonen, since she's announced a wikibreak; however, putting the gist of the reply here is probably best.


 * I regret speculating about Giano's motives. I have struck the relevant part on the proposed decision. You were 100% right to call me on that.


 * I simply did not see your response until you pointed me to it. It was not specifically being ignored, except inasmuch as I hadn't read the talk page at all since I voted. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Mister GJK
Hey Matt, could you explain this:, as I'm trying to review his case and I am finding nothing...unless of course you did a checkuser on him... nat.utoronto 18:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Definitely banned user Greg Kohs. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 04:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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 * (replying to message on my talk page) - Then, unfortunately, the image will have to be deleted. —Remember the dot (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No big deal; I'm sure someone can find an image with good attribution. This one was uploaded long before we firmed those things up in policy. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 03:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

NOR ArbCom
I don't see the request as a request for ArbCom to decide what the policy should be written as, but more of a request for ArbCom to evaluate the actions of some editors so that the impasse can be breached either way. As it is, the page/policy is basically an edit-war between Admins, with the protection in place. We normal and established users are being prevented from having any input, either by being ignored or by being locked out of the editing process, through primarily ownership issues. There's so much information available and presented that I think this subtle point is being overlooked in the far broader context. wbfergus undefinedTalk 12:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's possible that I would vote to accept a more tightly worded and bounded case. The one presented, though, is way overbroad and I can't see it working out well. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 14:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank for the further explantion, I will pass it along to COgden. Would this require a new filing or could the existing filing be modified? wbfergus undefinedTalk 14:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Cold Fusion Decision
The practical result of what has been done to the cold fusion article is the public will get misleading information on the current status of cold fusion. Since cold fusion is something that can be a major benefit to the human race, this is a serious error.

I have decided to give up on Wikipedia. PCarbon seems to me to have the patience of a saint. PCarbon has told me that he is also quitting Wikipedia. I will admit that cold fusion is a complex and unique issue. I think that most people who do not have at least a bachelor’s degree in the physical sciences or engineering would have a hard time grasping it. However there are many notable exceptions to this rule.

Pons and Fleishman made their announcement in March of 1989. The announcement was to protect The University of Utah’s patent rights. Some important information like the palladium alloy they used and the length of time it took to get a result (weeks) were not released to protect patent rights. Many scientists understood the significance of the discovery and scientists all over the world began experiments. Pons and Fleishman had been reproducing the experiment for five years and did not expect the difficulty others would have reproducing the experiment. Expectations were raised very high, and when a lot of positive experimental evidence was not appearing, there was a backlash. In the scientific world editors of journals have a lot of power, since scientists must publish or perish. The editor of Nature and other editors decided that cold fusion could not be real, that it was an embarrassment to science and that it needed to be squelched immediately. They also concluded the end justified the means. The used de facto censorship, name calling, and tried to ruin the careers of people who advanced the cold fusion idea. For this reason many of the scientists who continued to work on cold fusion, were retired, had tenure, or worked in another country where the witch hunt was not active.

Even while this political assault was under way, Nature refused to publish a positive result on the grounds that the issue was already decided. Melvin Miles had an initial negative result which he reported to the DOE committee. The DOE committee told the world about this negative result. When Melvin Miles later reported a positive result to the DOE committee, the DOE committee reported the result to no one.

This is how the “consensus” and de facto censorship came about. Cold fusion was done in by the political method, not by the scientific method.

The experiments have gone on for 18 years. Something like 3500 scientific papers by hundreds of scientists with PhDs in physics and chemistry have been written. Since 1992 nuclear transmutations with unnatural isotope ratios have been found. These nuclear transmutations are proof that nuclear reactions are occurring. More heat, tritium, He3, and He4 has been found. Some x-rays, gamma rays, and charged particles have been found. Reproducibility has improved.

Now some comments about Wikipedia. When working on the cold fusion article I have merely tried to include the experimenters’ point of view. I have not tried to censor or delete the skeptics’ point of view. I have tried to create a NPOV article.

I have a problem with some of Wikipedia’s rules and how they are applied. The rules do not show a grasp of the scientific method. Wikipedia has a nest of self appointed scientific censors that do not have a grasp of the scientific method. The scientific method is that experiment is the reality check of science. The only logical proof against experiment is experimental error. Consensus, existing the theory, and expertise can cast doubt on an experiment, but they are not a logical proof that negates experimental evidence. To imply other wise is a use of the political method. Your “undue” weight rule is seriously flawed. It seems to favor consensus over truth and does not give experimental evidence its proper weight. The principal of “information suppression” is well described in the NPOV Tutorial. Wikipedia does nothing to stop “information suppression.” Wikipedia claims that NPOV is its highest principal, but it does not enforce it. Apparently consensus is its highest principal. Truth and facts do not make the list. I do not see how content dispute is not a NPOV dispute. I do not see why “information suppression” is allowed under content dispute. “Content dispute” just seems to be a buzz word for doing nothing. I was told by one of your admins that if Wikipedia had existed in the Middle Ages, it would say the world was flat. If this is true, you should put this statement on your home page as a warning label.

You seem to be overrun with censors who like to throw around words like pseudoscience, pathological science, proto science, and fringe science. These are nonsense words. There only purpose they serve is political name calling. It is not all that complicated. If you are following the scientific method you are practicing science. If you are not following the scientific method you are not practicing science. If you make mistakes while following the scientific method, you are still practicing science.

There are ways that Wikipedia can improve their product. Wikipedia could change its rules to incorporate a sense of the scientific method and give experiment its proper weight They could stop using old censorship to justify new censorship. They could bring their nest of scientific censors under control. They could stop publishing articles on controversial science or new science since they cannot do it competently. They could issue warning labels. They could stop “information suppression”. They could enforce NPOV. They could resolve disputes with people who are scientifically knowledgeable and do not have a censorship passion or axe to grind. However Wikipedia does not seem to be interested in reform. Ron Marshall (talk) 03:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Consensus is a fundamental feature of the scientific method, since it is the only means of establishing that a claim of evidence is evidence. -- 71.102.174.155 (talk) 09:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Tecmobowl RFCU
A RfCU for a suspected Tecmobowl sock has been requested. Blnguyen ran the CU but the previous accounts are stale. Do you by any chance have the data from Tecmobowl-Jmfangio CU that you ran a few months back? Nishkid64 (talk) 02:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a small poke to check if you have forgotten or if I missed your reply :) -- lucasbfr  ho ho ho 13:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Jmfangio
Hi. Several months ago, you performed a checkuser that revealed that was a reincarnation of the banned. I believe that, based on editing patterns, is another reincarnation. (He instantly resumed the conflict with that had led to the arbitration.)  I requested a checkuser at Requests for checkuser/Case/Tecmobowl, but Blnguyen said that it could not be performed because it was stale and to ask someone who performed the original checkuser if they saved the stats. Do you have whatever data is needed to perform this checkuser? Thanks. --B (talk) 02:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL ... I see Nishkid types faster. than I do. ;) --B (talk) 02:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll make a note of that in the RFCU case. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 07:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Joyeux Noël
I just want to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Merry Christmas! Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Main Page
Could you please change the main article's featured article image to Image:Tikse monastery.jpg since this image is clearer, less blurry, more appealing and shows the same subject. Thanks. Nikkul (talk) 04:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

CBOrgatrope
MyWikiBiz==

User:CBOrgatrope was one of a nest of sockpuppets you uncovered in early November - you mentioned that you were pretty sure this was the work of an established sockpuppeteer, but tagged this one as the puppeteer arbitrarily as the CU data did not go farther back. I've uncovered some solid evidence that this was the work of the well-known sockpuppeteer User:MyWikiBiz - the most solid being that one of the puppets' edits was to add this picture of himself to Lake Eola, something he has recently been bragging about on Wikipedia Review. With that, the pattern of editing also meshes with the activity of MyWikiBiz's prior confirmed puppets - the initial edits to an account's userpage; the mocking/impersonation/plays-on-words of various admins; the contribution of articles and images about lakes and other aquatic landmarks. I think the case can be considered solved now :)  krimpet ✽  08:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I figured it quite likely, but decided the case didn't need absolute identification of the sockmaster; the bad behavior was sufficient. Thanks for the further checking, however!  Although I do find that persistent sockers get very annoyed when you mis-identify them ... always fun. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 08:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Why would you ever want to deliberately annoy MyWikiBiz? Agitating him seems to bring about the exposure of some of our best admins as embarrassments to the project.  Durova pissed off MyWikiBiz, and look what happened to her.  JzG pissed off MyWikiBiz, and then MyWikiBiz discovered with Wikiscanner that JzG was semi-anonymously editing all kinds of articles about wet t-shirt contests and porn stars with enormous breast enlargements.  I'd give the link to these facts, but I don't want to bring on a BADSITES war.  It would seem to me that the best way to deal with MyWikiBiz is to ignore him, not provoke him with deliberately weak identifications of sockpuppets that aren't his. --72.94.148.152 (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC) (signing anonymously, as I don't want anything to do with a backlash from MyWikiBiz or CBOrgatrope)


 * Ah, you misunderstand. I don't per se want to annoy him; I find it amusing that people who sockpuppet get all offended when the sockmaster is misidentified, given that confusion is their intent. I'd have thought they'd be amused, rather than offended.  I'm not necessarily saying that MyWikiBiz cares; saying that some sockmasters have been offended.


 * Also, one must note that Durova's errors were unforced, and JzG doesn't appear to be "harmed" by any allegations about what he may have been doing while logged out, true or not. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm also amused by the high likelihood that 72.94.148.152 is MyWikiBiz himself, talking about himself in the third person. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Brown, Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be wrong? Have you ever considered the further possibility that, if you are wrong, then you are doing an injustice to innocent persons by making these assertions of identity? Have you ever considered the consequent possibility that, if you are wrong, then it is you, My Friend, who are the harasser? Masked And Anonymous (talk) 06:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Given that a certain individual behind the blocked account MyWikiBiz and others has absolutely, certainly created a number of ban-evading accounts on Wikipedia, I don't see that much injustice is being done. I am only accusing that individual of what they have done and, I seem to remember, what they've admitted - unless this person is now claiming to have never done so.  (Amusingly, while using another created identity).


 * It would do you well to stop doing this whole but-what-if-it-wasn't-me game. It's more pathetic than clever, and should be beneath you; that it isn't is rather disappointing. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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You have mail
Please check your email. Thank you. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Listing of Jayjg
Morven, please see. There is a significant issue to be addressed here which I'm currently documenting in evidence for the arbitration workshop. If Jayjg's conduct is to be the subject of review in the arbitration, it's only fair to include him in the list of parties. (And given that the page states "Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this case", are you seeking to become a party?). Cla68 has already asked the clerk to rule on this - please leave the page as it was and let the clerk decide. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you or Cla68 thinks Jay should be a party, please provide evidence and the arbitrators will decide. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I read on the arbitration request for this case, and in some discussion since, I think you're going to see some evidence of Jayjg's involvement. If not, then I was wrong. Cla68 (talk) 01:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I didn't think it was the arbitrators' job to decide who to name as being parties - only who to sanction. The instructions at WP:RFAr state "Fill in the names of the involved parties" and are clearly directed at the initiating parties, not the arbitrators or clerks. There's no provision for third parties to remove names (unless, I suppose, it's a really frivolous listing - which this plainly is not). -- ChrisO (talk) 01:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * One question Matthew, is Jayjg still on the ArbCom's private mailing list? Cla68 (talk) 01:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The list of members of the arbcom mailing list is always available at Arbitration Committee. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 06:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see that Jayjg is on the ArbCom mailing list. Well, another question, if any evidence is presented in this case against Jayjg (or anyone else for that matter who is a current ArbCom mailing list member), will he be removed from the mailing list at least until the case is closed? Cla68 (talk) 07:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No. We have never removed a list member because they are involved in a case and do not intend to change this.  We do expect a list member involved in a case, or an arbitrator recused on a case, to not  involve themselves in discussions of the case on-list and interact with the sitting arbitrators on that case only in the manner with which other parties to the case can. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know this has been discussed before, and I understand that most, if not all of the current arbitrators desire that former arbitrators be allowed to remain on the list and take part in ongoing ArbCom discussion as appropriate. The problem is that once an arbitrator becomes a former arbitrator, he/she supposedly become a regular editor again, which means that he/she should be as equally subject to the administrative disciplines and corrective actions issued by the ArbCom and anyone else.  If they, however, still have access to the "inner workings" of the ArbCom committee, it gives an appearance of special treatment.  Anyway, we'll see how it goes. Cla68 (talk) 07:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Centralized TV Episode Discussion
Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here. --User: (talk) 23:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Automobiles
Morven, can you help me with the Chrysler Cirrus/Dodge Spirit articles?? I'm looking at working these up to good article status, and I need all the help I can get.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks, --Solumeiras talk 13:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Ionas68224 and User:68.224.117.152
I have no motivation to file a WP:RFAR, I simply post here on behalf of blocked IP 68.224.117.152. Please see the post here. Best regards! -- omtay 38  02:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

TOR block of 134.114.27.79
Hey, I noticed that you've blocked 134.114.27.79, as a TOR node, which, it is no longer. I was wondering, if you'd consider either allowing me to unblock it, or, unblocking it yourself please. SQL Query me! 20:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it! :) SQL Query me!  20:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

User:ScienceApologist sockpuppets
User:ScienceApologist has recently deleted the sockpuppet category template from the talk pages of his sockpuppets. Part of the template does say "do not delete". I'm not sure where this should be reported, but since you were the admin who placed them, I thought perhaps you should be informed. Dlabtot (talk) 16:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So, should the template be changed, then, if it's ok for the sockmaster to remove it? Dlabtot (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your willingness to acknowledge and respond to my questions. This should be a good example to everyone for illustrating why Wikipedia works as it does. Dlabtot (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Mantanmoreland RfC
Regarding your comments on the Mantanmoreland RfC, I'm not sure you understand that there is in fact an ongoing dispute regarding Mantanmoreland's possible use of multiple accounts to double-vote and feign a larger consensus - his conduct is being called into question. See User:SirFozzie/Investigation.  krimpet ✽  01:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Then the RFC needs to include the actual accusations and be certified by the people actually in a dispute with him. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 05:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They are involved (Durova not that much, but SirFozzie definitely so) - they and others have tried to mediate an peaceful end to his apparent sockpuppetry, but he hasn't cooperated, so they brought it to Requests for Comment, where the community can give their input - the intended purpose of RfC. If RfC is not the right forum for this, then what is?  krimpet ✽  05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Per this question I see what you mean. However, Cla68 and SirFozzie have certainly had disputes with these purported sock puppeteers. Cla68, at least, has called for sanctions. I think that Mantanmoreland would prefer not to be sanctioned. Hence, a user dispute. Cool Hand Luke 05:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Recusal from Mantanmoreland ArbCom case
Based on your comments here I'm formally requesting that you recuse yourself from this ArbCom case. Cla68 (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No. Furthermore, Mr. Bagley is not a part of that arbitration, so my personal feelings about him are not relevant; even if he was, I am permitted to have personal opinions about him. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have already decided what the scope of this case is, then your opinion is relevant and prejudicial. I repeat, please recuse yourself. Cla68 (talk) 23:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Again; no, thanks. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Asked here, about the precedent: Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Proposed decision. Lawrence §  t / e  00:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * See my response on that page. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Gone until Tuesday
I'm at a convention until Tuesday, so anything you write to me from now on may not be read until then. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

McKeen
Please read my note here. • Freechild   'sup?   18:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have read over your talk page and see that you have repeated issues with civility and will not attempt to work with you on that page. Good luck with your efforts. • Freechild   'sup?   18:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Injunction voting
Just letting you know that the injunction you voted on here had already been implemented after four net votes. If this was a case of "being on the record", my apologies; just thought you may have missed the enactment. Daniel (talk) 09:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

How to draw these maps that you have done?
Hi, HOw can I draw maps like what you done for example here: I would appricite hint or help on how to do them.

thanks. Farmanesh (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't know; that image was incorrectly attributed on Commons to me, but was actually done by the similarly named User:Morwen. Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 19:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia initialisms
Avoid using Wikipedia initialisms in running text? Ok, I'll try. No more WP:WI (no disrespect to Wisconsians intended) ;o)--mrg3105 (comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 07:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC) PS. The actual page the initialism points to doesn't have the initialism! Its a minefield out there!--mrg3105 (comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 07:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppets and block of User:Belicia
Hi Morven,

I noticed you blocked as a sockpuppet of, noting a connection to  in the block summary. User:Wikidemo had raised the Stinging P suspicion on my talk page as part of working through Suspected sock puppets/Boomgaylove, so I wanted to ask first if you think they are directly related (i.e. whether Stinging is a sock of Boomgaylove or simply involved in the general disruption) and secondly your opinion on taking the whole thing to WP:RFCU. Thanks! -- jonny - m t  02:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Stinging P/Belicia etc. appear to be in a different geographical location to Boomgaylove. I suspect either collusion offsite or use of hacked systems, with the first more likely. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 04:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In this edit, says that "another editor" suggested he/she should nominate Acorn, Oakland, California for deletion.  However, I could not find any onwiki discussion to that effect.   admitted to meatpuppetry.  However, it seems much more likely that boomgaylove and icampica are the same person.  I don't have any good tools but I think one can connect the dots through  and .Wikidemo (talk) 11:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

What's next on this one? I see there are some seemingly confirmed sockpuppet accounts as yet unblocked in the sock puppet report, including Icamepica. How were you confirming identities? Was it some kind of checkuser, or should we request/run one at this point? Forgive me if that's a silly question, I'm not very familiar with this process. There's some ongoing, and somewhat unpleasant contention on the various articles, and it would sure help if I knew that the people still editing are operating in good faith and not sockpuppets. Wikidemo (talk) 19:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been using checkuser and other things. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Episodes and characters 2 Arbitration
Editors are getting impatient and there is a great deal of confusion regarding the injunction. Could you please respond to Kirill's proposals on the Proposed decision page as soon as possible. Many thanks, Ursasapien (talk) 10:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Suspected_sock_puppets/Boomgaylove
Your most recent report reflects that =  =  =  are confirmed to be connected. Qrc2006 and Cholga, in particularly Cholga, is still an active contributor. Shouldn't at least 3 of those (or all 4 if this is serious abuse), be indefinetly blocked, or are you waiting until the conclusion of the case? — Save_Us   †  09:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

User:PHG
Hi Morven. I am asking you to reconsider your judgements at Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision. It has just been made clear that a large part of the accusations made against me were based on a false claim being made by Elonka and Aramgar about a name "Viam agnoscere veritatis" being used for a multiplicity of Papal bulls Talk:Viam agnoscere veritatis. Both were making a false claim, intentionally of not, and have been using this claim to motivate a multiplicity of editors to make depositions against me (here, here and the numerous "Viam agnoscere depositions of the Workshop page such as ). It's clear that the discussion heated up (on both sides) but it turns out I was right to dispute their misrepresentation of historical facts. I challenge judgements which are based on such false evidence and manipulation. Another recent case of Elonka obviously misrepresenting sources has been exposed here Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance. All my contributions are properly referenced from published sources, and if sometimes we can have differences in interpretation, nobody has been able to identify a single case of fabrication of sources or whatever (as demonstrated in User:Ealdgyth/Crusades quotes testbed, embedded responses ). I am asking you to think twice before believing the accusations of such editors. Regards PHG (talk) 11:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Please view Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision for a update of these issues. PHG (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Denver Public Library images
Category:Denver Public Library images - do you know how many images were in there? I noted during a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content criteria compliance, that Image:Ashcroft hotel.jpg had been tagged for deletion. It did eventually get deleted, despite being one of those "historic" images that I plead with people to treat with more care than the contemporary pics of popular culture. Now I'm worried that more than just that image got deleted. Can you help? Carcharoth (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Honestly I don't know; I don't even have any notes about what I uploaded, though of course I'd be notified. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 06:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Mediation
What kind of a punishment would you recommends should I dare mediate a dispute? Which 'real problems' are we talking about? What have I done that warrants such extreme measures? Why should I be not given a tiny fraction of the courtesy Davenbelle or even his sockpuppet Moby Dick was given?

You talk in a plural tone on your response to my appeal. What restrictions are we talking about? Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing...

Please clarify these points. Thanks.

-- Cat chi? 00:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Will you not reply at all? -- Cat chi? 12:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for clarification in IRC case
I have requested clarification in the IRC arbitration case here and am notifying you as an arbitrator who was active on the case. Carcharoth (talk) 16:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Time for an arbitration on Freyfaxi?
I'm seriously debating whether to start an ArbCom case on. He's the original author of the Edward McSweegan article, and it was his editing of it that got Dr. McSweegan so upset. A quick perusal of his editing history shows that his style borders on tendentiousness regarding Lyme disease-related topics. On the surface, the fact that his editing has resulted in TWO complaints about a BLP would seem to merit going straight to arbitration--but he hasn't edited since late February? What do you make of it? I wanted to bounce it off you before filing. Blueboy96 19:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Arbcom aren't generally in the business of fixing things that aren't current and ongoing problems.  I'd be certainly willing to take it up should he start editing again, or indeed if other people continue disruptiveness and tendentiousness on these articles. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 21:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:B-66.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:B-66.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Fair use, use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following [ this link]. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 18:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MECU ≈ talk 18:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

User Page
Hi Morven. You seem to be arguing on Arbcom for my User Subpages to be included in my restrictions from editing Ancient History or Medieval History articles. Please note that I manage vast quantities of images from museums around the world (such as User:PHG/Metropolitan Museum of Art), which indeed could be interpretated as "related to ancient history". I have however been "encouraged" by the commity to keep contributing such images, as well as material for Talk page discussions and suggestions, and User Subpages are an essential means of achieving this. Could you kindly reconsider? Regards; PHG (talk) 17:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Postpone closing of ArbCom case?
Dear ,

I saw that now 4 arbitrators have already moved to close. If I understand correctly, the case will be closed at 15:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)?

I love Wikipedia's concept: The sum of human knowledge is just that: the sum, not the subtraction. I believe we wikipedians of all colours are going to be able to differ violently in opinion and at the same time work together in an atmosphere of camaraderie nevertheless and respect one another. These conflicts are burning editors out, myself not the least. We need help to find the way back to the core policies of wikipedia, which are there to prevent these conflicts and to warrent the creation of high-quality, neutral articles by due process.

It was not I who invited the ArbCom to this matter, but now that we're there, I would welcome a solution to the ongoing conflicts. I believe my proposed principles are in line with Wikipedia Purpose and Policy: Would you be inclined to continue on the case and see whether you can rule on some of the Proposals I and other editors have made? Perhaps the ArbCom would be willing to consider my Proposed principals 3-11? The most simple one, and quite important, would be nr. 3:
 * (POV tags are not there to point to dissensus amongst reliable sources, but dissensus among wikipedia editors.)

Would the ArbCom be able to rule on this? Reminding the other editors (4 of which are valued admins) that this is how wikipedia works might be of help in resolving the conflicts and informing our readers about the status of the article.

PS See also this, at the bottom.

&mdash; Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 21:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Requests for checkuser/Case/JohnEMcClure
Dear Morven, while I realize the case is somewhat old, I noticed that you indicated "numerous IP edits" in your results and I was curious if those IPs were blocked or tagged as suspected socks? I ask, because looking through a number of old AfDs (I am trying to get a sense of just how many were disrupted by sockpuppetry), I noticed quite a few with IP edits expressing views incredibly similar to Eyrian's, including the following:


 * 68.163.65.119
 * 76.80.112.235
 * 138.88.170.131

Were these his IPs? And if so, should they be tagged as suspected or confirmed socks? I also noticed that one of the accounts you indicated as confirmed (THX1337) was also not blocked or tagged as a sock. Thank you for your time and efforts! Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Appeal topic ban of Thomas Basboll
While I respectfully disagree with you where you said "I see Raul654's actions here as being in line with the AC's decision, and support them", I don't see any reasoning or basis for it. Would request you to explain why or how those actions are in line with the decision. I have pointed out in my statement why I don't think so, in case you can pinpoint my misunderstanding of the situation. Thank you - Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Cap Arcona
You can see the American photos, if you pay.(86.64.182.240 (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC))

Image copyright problem with Image:ALCO 0900.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:ALCO 0900.jpg. You've indicated that the image is being used under a claim of fair use, but you have not provided an adequate explanation for why it meets Wikipedia's requirements for such images. In particular, for each page the image is used on, the image must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Can you please check


 * That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's escription page for each article the image is used in.
 * That every article it is used on is linked to from its description page.

The following images also have this problem:


 * Image:ATSF HH1000 2316.jpg
 * Image:ATSF FT 144.jpg
 * Image:ATSF E1 2.jpg
 * Image:ATSF 10.jpg
 * Image:ATSF 1.jpg

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. --20:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:ALCO 0900.jpg
Image:ALCO 0900.jpg was just tagged and I was notified by FairUseBot despite it having a human-readable fair use rationale that links to the specific article it is used in. Is it now insisting that rationales must be templated or they're not valid? Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The bot couldn't care less about the use of templates. It's complaining about the lack of a link to List of ALCO diesel locomotives.  You're the second person to have difficulties with this -- is the wording of the template really that unclear? --Carnildo (talk) 04:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah! The bot's message on the uploader's talk page isn't making it clear that only ONE of the uses of the image is the problem.  Quite often this is a usage added by someone else.  Such talkpage messages panic image uploaders into thinking that the image is actually up for deletion, and that someone has added another pointless hoop to jump through for fair-use images in the hope that a percentage of the uploaders won't respond within a week.


 * In this case, I uploaded the image for ALCO HH series and didn't know that someone had used it elsewhere. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 05:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Attempt to usurp ArbCom's role in appointing checkusers
vA discussion is ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:RFA to have checkusers elected to their positions rather than have them appointed. Apparently, none of the proponents of doing this have notified ArbCom of this effort. I am therefore informing you. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

VigilancePrime
Greetings. My experience so far has been that inquiring about these off-Wiki ArbCom bans is a fruitless enterprise. I can forward tyou my previous emails on the subject if you'd liek to see them. Is there anything you can suggest I do to be heard on these issues? --SSBohio 18:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You can certainly forward us those emails and they will be read. The likelihood of your changing our minds on this is possibly less, however.  Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Why is that? ArbCom has, presumably, only heard from one side of the debate, and possibly also from the perpetrator.  Surely, there's something of the other side to consider.  Here are the issues I see.  I've attempted to avoid much specific mention of VP's case, in deference to ArbCom.  My worries are mainly procedural, rather than about any specific case.
 * How does doing this via an opaque process benefit the community or the encyclopedia?
 * If my emailing on this topic will have no effect, then isn't that the same as my not emailing at all? Why accept input at all in these cases?
 * There's no clear criteria as to what one can or cannot say to suddenly find themselves locked out without further ado. It's as though we could be ticketed for parking violations, but there were no signs posted to inform us of the regulations.
 * If the criterion were actual advocacy of pedophilia, that would be understandable, but this seems to be an application of a much broader rule. How am I supposed to ensure my safety when I can't reliably figure out what I can and cannot say?
 * VP is annoying at times, hilarious at others, but he provides a net benefit to the encyclopedia. He's not a trench-coated figure lurking in the dark going after our kids.  I cling vainly to the notion that one would have to actually do something wrong to get banned.  Users like this one, and others, simply haven't done that.
 * This is too reminiscent for me of what homosexuals (like me) continue to experience. "You crossed the line." // "Where's the line?" // "Can't tell you."  I don't (by any means) compare homosexuality to pedophilia, but
 * If PPAs want to advocate for their cause, we're equipped to handle them. Could they convince anyone that they're right, even if we let them participate?  I think not.
 * If someone just said: "He was banned because he did X or said Y," then I'd have some idea why we're doing this. This guy made a userbox in his userspace.  Imagine the chilling effect on someone who wants to contribute to mainspace.  --SSBohio 19:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, we've heard from people from all sides of the debate at some length. This is why you're unlikely to change our minds much - not because we're not listening, but because it's likely we've heard the argument before.


 * In my opinion, what VigilancePrime was doing was deliberately testing the boundaries. That isn't acceptable.  There are not hard and fast rules about what's acceptable here entirely because of the tendency to push the limits, lawyer the rules, and treat any explicit restrictions as mere obstacles to work around.  In this case, creating pro-pedophilia userboxes has been a cause for blocks in the past; VigilancePrime was aware of that, I'm sure.  We aren't going to be accepting arguments that he was only joking, or that he worded it ambiguously so he shouldn't be blocked, etc.  The message is that we will not tolerate this, and I consider everyone adequately warned.


 * Pro-pedophilia advocates or apologists do constantly attempt to make Wikipedia's articles more favorable to their cause. Our articles on such topics have been frequently made to espouse views out of all proportion to their actual support.  This isn't just a theoretical problem.  A small group of people, if organized and motivated, can easily manage a local majority on an article and skew its content.  We have adopted a policy of little tolerance for such behavior on these articles, and will continue to block people who behave in ways that could readily be construed as activism in favor of pedophiles, broadly defined. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 19:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm grateful to you for being the first person to actually explain how this process works, and what constitutes a triggerpoint for enforcement. I've sent several emails to other Arbs and never got an answer at all approaching the thoroughness and forthright quality of yours.  My concern is still there, but I feel more assured that the decision was taken after careful deliberation and in consultation with others.
 * In the end, I think it comes down to a balancing test: Those extreme in their opposition to pedophilia may not be fully committed to a neutral point of view in articles, but the direction they're pushing is extremely unlikely to bring the project into disrepute. On the other hand, the pro-pedophile people are placing a thumb on the other side of the scale, and a Wikipedia seen as tolerant or even ambivalent toward pedophilia would suffer greatly in public opinion.
 * I've jokingly referred to myself as being qualified as a UN peacekeeper, as I've been shelled by both sides at various times. :-)  I just want the encyclopedia to present the facts neutrally.  I have faith that the reader is smart enough to think that something's wrong with an adult's sexual "relationship" with a small child.
 * I'm still pretty firmly committed to open processes and reliance on the "wiki way" to correct biases. I don't even have a problem with pedophiles identifying themselves as such.  If nothing else, it's like the labelling on food: what you're getting is self-identified.  At the same time, I'm not blind as to the broader implications of how we respond to pro-pedophile editing.  It's better for our protection to ban the editors, but I believe it's bnetter for building an encyclopedia if we concern ourselves with the edits rather than the editors.
 * Thanks for listening to my fears & concerns. I hope you will commend them to ArbCom's attention.  Separately, I'll email you specifically about VP, A.Z., and any other bans that trouble me.  I hate to see us throwing out the baby with the bathwater, as I fear is happening here.  Thanks again.  --SSBohio 17:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Afrocentrism
I happened to look at this today and am appalled at what some editors are adding. They are way off topic and obnoxious. The article is already on probation, probably because of people like the ones who added under "Semantics" on the Talk page. Please review.--Parkwells (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Eyrian checkuser note
Dear Morven, please see this thread. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 16:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: Actually a formal checkuser request has been made by another editor at Requests for checkuser/Case/Eyrian. Considering that you did the first checkuser, if you still have the results, it may worth commenting there.  Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking to see if I have anything. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 06:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 16:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is an update - Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Eyrian, which Thatcher thinks needs someone who did the original checkuser. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed decision - Tango
Just wondering if you'll be voting on this case, as one of the arbitrators who suggested accepting it if there was a pattern? Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't create task lists for me on my talk page, thanks. I will complete voting on this case within the next few days. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 21:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Apologies. Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Accepted with thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 04:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And now voted on everything, I think. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 04:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, all done. :) :) Thank you very much. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I thought I looked properly - there's one other thing. Your votes for remedy 1 and 1.1 indicate "Third choice" - I think one of them was meant to be "Second choice"? Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It was indeed. Thank you! Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 08:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Requests page
Particularly from clarifications, amendments & appeals, the requests page has been clogged up recently. I'm going to remind you (or inform you) of some cases that may need your attention, views and reasons, or further discussion to try to fix this problem. Once the page is less clogged up, then that's that :) You may find the links to the cases mentioned at RfarOpenTasks - created by one of the clerks, AGK.

Currently, there are 2 requests which require arbitrator attention, one involving IRC voting and the other involves "Episodes and characters". Regards - Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Email question
Dear Morven, you have mail. :) Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

September_11_conspiracy_theories Arbcom clarification
Regarding the evidence I provided here: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/September_11_conspiracy_theories

You wrote: "I see Raul654's actions here as being in line with the AC's decision, and support them."

If I was a new user to wikipedia, I would be flabbergasted by the complete disregard for rules and guidelines your sentence shows. But since I have edited here for years I am jadded and not surprised by hypocrisy and the selective enforcement of the rules, no matter how flagrant. I have seen time and again how editors selectively follow the rules as it suits them. The only thing unique here is this is just the first time I have seen an Arbcom do it.

I quote the Arbcom:
 * "Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict (defined as articles which relate to the events of September 11, broadly interpreted) if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process."


 * "For the purpose of imposing sanctions under this provision, an administrator will be considered "uninvolved" if he or she has not previously participated in any content disputes on articles in the area of conflict."

How in the world is Raul not an involved editor? How can you possibly twist the words of this arbcom to justify Raul's actions? The definition game "uninvolved" doesn't really mean "uninvolved". What a f***ing joke.

Is it any wonder that so many editors have left wikipedia in pure disgust, because they feel that their are cabals which stick together and that the rules don't apply to admins like they apply to regular users?

I would hazard to guess that you would fully condone JzG's telling editors to fuck off and William Connolley booting editors and protecting pages that he is in an edit war with. My lord, the hypocrisy and corrupt behavior on wikipedia.

Inclusionist (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

EMD GM10B / EMD GM6B
These two pages you created seem very much alike - I don't know enough about the prototypes to write much about how they differ, but a quick search suggests the 10Bs were numbered 1976 / 4976 and 1977. And BC Rail had GF6C locos - were these related somehow? Wongm (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There was only one each of the GM10B and GM6C; they looked somewhat alike, but the former was B-B-B, contained a high proportion of Swedish ASEA design and technology, and was designed for high-speed freight, while the latter was C-C with (fairly close to regular) HTC trucks and traction motors, and designed for lower-speed drag freight. The numbers in the designations are the horsepower in thousands.


 * The GF6C locomotives of BCR were pretty close to the GM6C technologically although using a wide-nose cab. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 08:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - I have clarified the page. You might want to archiving this talk page though - it's kinda long. Wongm (talk) 09:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically, I started those pages but haven't yet finished putting in all the info. Yeah, it's getting time to archive this mess again. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 16:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Appeal - PLEASE HELP
It is high time that the abuses against the unjustly banned user "Gibraltarian" were dealt with rationally and fairly. My ban was brought about by a troll user's malicious complaint, and he continually vandalised any words I tried to post in my defence. I appeal to you as Arbcom member to please contact me on a_gibraltarian@hotmail.com to discuss the matter.

This is a massive injustice, and only allows others to continue to assert factually incorrect, malicious, offensive and POV items about my country.

Many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.120.246.83 (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank You For You Refrain
Thank You for your recent edit. Sicerely Hellboy2hell (talk) 10:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Requests_for_arbitration
Hello; as you added your comment without a rationale, I wondered if you would be willing to expand on your vote to have User:Kww restricted in this case, given that practically every statement on the case, by editors on both "sides" and those that are uninvolved, puts forward the opinion that such a restriction would be unhelpful? Thanks, Black Kite 13:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reconsidering. Black Kite 21:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but if you were so quick to support that ban on Kww and then change your mind, it makes me wonder if this case is getting any real attention. I'd also like to plead with you to actually fulfill our request and clarify the restrictions, wether or not TTN gets a full topical ban. My full comments are at WP:RFAR, but I wanted to give an extra prodding to this request. -- Ned Scott 04:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed decision - Footnoted Quotes
Please note that 3 arbitrators have expressed a desire to move finding 2.1 to the principles; the remainder (including yourself) have not commented yet. Once this is resolved, and 1 more vote is cast in favour of it, the case should be ready to close. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Please note that 2 arbitrators have opposed this case closing, but 3 arbitrators have voted in support for this case to close, with 2 of the 3 most recently. Hopefully it is closed soon. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Unertow confusion
Hi Morven, can you explain to me why this editor's user page had been deleted when the editor is not blocked or banned? Thanks, Slrubenstein  |  Talk 11:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * On the user's request. He can undelete it if he wishes. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

VigilancePrime


This user has requested an unblock for his alternate account at HyperVigilancePrime. The user professes ignorance as to the reasoning behind the block, and would like more detail. As I am unfamiliar with the situation, I thought I'd ping you as one of the original blocking admins. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 16:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Requests for checkuser/Case/JohnEMcClure
I have started a follow up at Requests for checkuser/Case/Tottering Blotspurs. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Nokia 6500 slide
I've rescinded the multiple nomination on this AFD and am now suggesting that it runs on this one particular article with a view to gauging community thoughts on individual phone articles. I'll then use that as a basis to decide how to approach the other ones. You may wish to change or add to your contributions here as the basis of the AFD is changed - this is a courtesy notice to allow you to do so if you wish. Exxolon (talk) 23:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed decision - Homeopathy
Just to remind you (or inform you in case you didn't know) that one vote has been submitted in support of this case being closed. Hopefully it is closed finally. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd also like to remind you that 2 arb-clarifications have been waiting (for ages) on the discretionary sanctions wording - they can be closed once voted on, sometime soon hopefully. Kirill has already posted the 3.1 version for voting on the requests page. Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Patience?
I see you asked for patience... I think more (than just asking for patience) is needed. I urge you to give some guidance. I see no reason for any arbitrator to be engaged in anything at all other than getting this matter resolved. Routine sock blocks, discussions of names of users, and the like should be, in my view, left to others or deferred. Your highest priority, each and every one of you, ought to be talking through this and coming to a resolution. Please. I posted this first at FT2's page and FT2 indicated he is waiting on responses... the longer this festers the worse it is for everyone... ++Lar: t/c 15:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ground Control to All Arb.s (a friendly request for comment)
I wanted to ask you to please consider posting some of your responses, or feedback to the current arbcom situation - I don't think it's massively hyperbolic to note that this really is in many ways a Wiki Summer of discontent (well actually winter for us southern hemisphere types...).

I believe it's the right thing for you, and all other committee members, to be doing right now - I don't think the community as a whole are getting the benefits of any private discussions, and I believe they, and the individuals named in the various debacles around the place, deserve much, much better.

I entreat you to consider signing up as available to offer thoughts, or answer some short, focused, questions. I would also ask you to consider contacting the Wikipedia Weekly team, or the 'Not The Wikipedia Weekly' team, if you might be available for a short voice conversation.

It's my view that communication really really matters, and I think there's an urgent need for arb.s to step up.

cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 03:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ah go on..! - your comments on the RfC pages are helpful, to be sure - so why not sign up here too? - I think it would help a great deal! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 04:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Fictional character cases
Dear Morven, I am not sure how to send a general heads up to the arbitration committee, but per such edits as this, it looks like another debate involving fictional characters may be headed toward some form of mediation yet again. -- Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 19:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Violet Blue COIN
Hello there. While I thank you for commenting, there is still some ambiguity about what precisely you meant. Could you please rephrase?Yeago (talk) 00:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: brief
hehheh. Sorry about that. Momentary brain-lapse on my part. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 21:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Case
I don't doubt that you've seen it, but I'd like to formally point you towards |this motion on the C68-FM-SV case. The continuing delay, resulting from refusal to arbitrate, of this case is getting beyond a joke and I personally find it unacceptable. Many in the community are as a result of this delay calling Arbcom's very existence into question. The refusal to come to a conclusion, echoing the MM case amongst others, demonstrates that Arbcom is no longer willing to deal with long-term problematic behaviour and is giving a free pass to those involved. What is worse is that even the vote to dismiss is being delayed. Please vote there as soon as possible, because the community needs some kind of closure and to prolong the case further is a disservice to the many editors who have spent time preparing the case. I'm posting this to your talk page as you are a sitting arbitrator, and I will be doing similar on the others'. Thank you, --78.145.83.124 (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. :D -78.145.83.124 (talk) 18:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yorkshirian
There is a bit of a holdup with the closing of this case, as FloNight has requested that you be given time to finish voting. The simplest solution would be for you to finish voting. That would be great. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Now done. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 03:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation HQ address is a WP:OFFICE matter?
No offense, but I think the cat's already out of the bag, thanks to (Hoover's),  (Yahoo! Finance), and other websites including the official ones of North Dakota and Alaska... --NE2 09:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue that; simply reflecting the wishes of WMF and the fact that most of them are not available to discuss it, since they're at Wikimania. My actions there reflect the statements of Cary Bass and Jay Walsh, and are actions they would themselves have taken had they had sufficient online access. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

The detail in the elephant
The Geogre/Connolley RFAR was not supposed to be about Giano... and yet Kirill has added as a FoF an extensive collection of Giano quotations, which he describes as "public attacks against fellow editors". Please note that, pushing the case further over towards being about Giano after all, Kirill had previously offered the same context-free collection in the workshop as "The elephant in the room". I beg arbitrators to study the context Carcharoth supplies in "The detail in the elephant" before they vote. It makes the elephant look rather different. Bishonen | talk 08:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC).

"secret" evidence.
I gave full details of my medical history - in more detail than I originally gave the arbcom, perhaps, given I was in as very bad period at the time - on the RfAR. You have nonetheless posted that secret evidence meant only the arbcom could handle it, as if I had never posted such things. If there's more secret evidence, feel free to send me an e-mail. Secondly, it's been 8 months. I've apologised over and over during the case for my actions. I accept they were wrong, but your comments seem to be saying you're upset at me for not continuing to apologise every time the case is mentioned. Thirdly, the arbcom has posted apologies for injustices - for instance, here Kirill specifically says that his mishandling of Finding of Fact #9 made the situation far worse. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 22:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The version you have recently given the arbcom significantly differs from the version you gave at the time, in a manner that seems, to me, to be deliberately minimizing your problems at that time and directly contradicting what you told us. However, I will go through the stuff I have from the time and more recently to be sure.


 * It seems to me, though, that you spend far too much of your time obsessing over the injustice of your treatment rather than accepting that the end result would not have been much different. Your loss of admin privileges at the time was merited.  Your wanting them back right now is not sufficient, IMO. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If it differs, tell me precisely how in an e-mail.
 * Also, the case could have ended very differently: Had arbcom not handled it the way they did, it is unlikely that I would have left Wikipedia for a few months. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If I may interject, you spend far too much of your time obsessing over the injustice is hardly a fair statement. Shoemaker's Holiday has contributed two featured articles since that case closed (Creatures of Impulse and Trial by Jury). Where he really stands out, though, is as Wikipedia's best restorationist of engravings. He's contributed ten featured pictures on the new account; very few Wikipedians understand that medium well enough to fathom the skill and effort he devotes there--when it comes to that I'm the site's second best and I'm not half what he is. The basic facts of the matter are this: ArbCom opened a nonemergency case with no prior dispute resolution; when the Committee suspended the case for community input the RFC ran over 80% in his support--the community wanted him to keep the tools. Then the Committee desysopped him anyway and forbade RFA. Now he asks whether there was any significant off-wiki evidence other than his own. That is a reasonable query and it deserves a reasonable reply. Durova Charge! 21:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In view of your comment here perhaps it would be wise if you refrained from commenting further regarding any of  the  participants, in ant way, on the WikiEN-l mailing list. Remember, until you have considered all the evidence you are supposed to be completely and utterly impartial. Giano (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration
Hi Matthew - hope you're well :-) I was just wondering if you could pop backk the the request for arbitration and state where you would prefer the case to take place at? I asked for clarification in the "clerk notes" section. Many thanks,  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  21:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers,  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  23:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wondered if you had seen this. ..
. . .and would like to weigh in (legal threats thread at AN). Not sure if there's anything else to add, but since you commented at the COIN here, and had some familiarity with the background, I thought you might like a heads-up. R. Baley (talk) 14:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Much of this was sent privately to the arbs as well; I've asked Mike Godwin for any input about what we should do on-Wiki. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 22:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

July arb stuff
I'd like to remind you of is the 2 arb-clarifications - waiting on voting on discretionary sanctions remedy. Two 4 votes have been cast for the remedy as was decided in the homeopathy case. If you could vote on that sometime soon, that would be great as well. (Really would like to avoid it being delisted without enough votes either way, like with the IRC case.) Thanks - Ncmvocalist (talk) 00:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC) 03:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC) ✅


 * 6 votes will have been cast and all proposals will pass for the Yorkshirian case once you've voted on the finding and remedy (standard ones); perhaps it is ready to close then? Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC) ✅


 * Perhaps you're ready to vote on the proposed motions and voting on the Rfarb page? Both the Diguwaren cases and the Pseudoscience/Homeopathy cases would benefit some clarity if you could soon. Ncmvocalist (talk) 20:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC) ✅

I request you  to be the Honorable Arbitrator to my case Brhmoism
As I feel only a 'rational wise judge' can do justice to my case of deletion. I am not a good writer but my content is crucial and only trapped in sub-communities religious bias which has become a Brhmo-Phobia in wikipedia too. I request your highness to post some urgent translator of Hindi to my references /notability of news/reviews at : Alan Sun --203.194.98.177 (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Brhmaand Pujan Critics’, News-Reviews.

ignoring deletions
The article Family of Barack Obama has already been nominated for deletion, please delete it. There have been three articles exactly like this one under different names, but people keep recreating the article with another name or re-adding an article that has already been voted to be deleted. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by QuirkyAndSuch (talk • contribs) 04:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

RFC
Why don't you go do your job on the C68/FM/SV case instead of interfering with community processes? --Random832 (contribs) 20:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My problem is, you're not acting like ordinary community members - thebainer deleted an RFC out of process and you and Sam seem to be preparing to override the community decision that its certification was valid. Try respecting consensus. Yes, you're entitled to comment, but that's as far as it goes; I wouldn't have the authority to override everyone else on my interpretation of policy that everyone disagrees with. --Random832 (contribs) 13:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

FAR of Canon T90
Canon T90 has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Notability of individual models
Curious, Matthew – is there a set policy on what camera models get articles or not? I've noticed that all of the PowerShot A and S models are redirected into lists, while the PowerShot G gets their own articles; meanwhile, I've just stumbled on Category:Nikon cameras, an incomplete listing of a ton of Coolpix models. Should those be redirected as well to the big Nikon Coolpix article or what? hbdragon88 (talk) 00:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Notability is a bullshit non-standard not enshrined in policy.


 * That being said, no, there isn't. My personal feeling is that if there's enough to write about (sourced!) that makes an individual camera's article not a mass of boilerplate and templates but rather an individualized article with good stuff, then it should be an article.  If it's simply a list entry or line from a table blown up into an article, as too many are, then there's no benefit over a list. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

User:The undertow
I know that this user is blocked for 9 months. I do not see him at WP:BANNED. Is he banned or just blocked? His user talk page is protected and I've received communications that he'd like it unprotected. Is it okay to unprotect his user talk page? Please advise. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 02:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied to Rlevse by email advising him of the situation. Raul654 (talk) 18:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it. Leaving in arbcom hands. Will only unprotect with arbcom approval. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 21:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
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Proposed decision - Alastair Haines
As a member who accepted the case, perhaps you might like to vote on this case. 5 arbs have voted so far - at least 2 more are needed. And it isn't quite as long as the omnibus case. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)✅

All items pass now, and there's a move to close. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Media Restoration
Thank you very much for your support at new project proposals. We've expanded the umbrella to cover audio restorations as well as images. Our shortcut is WP:WPMR. Hope to see you there and best wishes! Durova Charge!

Canon T90
Hi Morven. I am going to need an update at WP:FAR. No problem leaving things open but we need to know that work is happening. Cheers, Marskell (talk) 09:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Civility
Hi there. I recently quoted you at Wikipedia talk:Civility. Would you have time to check that I haven't misrepresented what you said? There are several other threads on that talk page that you might be interested in as well, and a proposal to rewrite the policy. For the whole recent story, read downwards from Wikipedia talk:Civility. This will need to be advertised more widely to get more balanced input, but for now I'm notifying those I quoted from the RfArb, and a few other editors who have either written essays on this, or have been active on the talk page recently. Apologies if you had this watchlisted anyway. Carcharoth (talk) 06:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Request
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China Basically, there is a group of users who are Falun Gong members going around and inserting POV material into any article they can. In this instance, it is demanding inclusion of Epoch Times as a legitimate source. The same people refuse to allow any government sources on Falung Gong related pages. They have a history of abusing the system, abusing other editors and are most likely sockmuppets. I do not know why this is allowed to continue the way it does. Please help resolve this, it's getting really old. TIA Laomei (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed decision - C68-FM-SV
We're nearing the end of this case. :) If you can vote on proposed remedy 6, then I think we'll be done. Cheers - Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Echo NE2. Thank you guys for your efforts. Everyme 15:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hello, Following my post at Wikiquette_alerts which did not receive a response from any uninvolved editor and ended up just creating another forum for the argument to continue, I am asking you to review the conduct of user:MarshalN20 who continues his attacks against myself and other editors with whom he has editorial differences. He claims that he is acting calmly and abiding by user:Alexfs instruction to remain civil, yet he continues making inflammatory statements such as his recent talkpage comment accusing another editor of having no conscience (several more are outlined in this response). Although I have tried to ensure that my own own responses have been civil and reasonable I accept that my conduct in this situation has been far from perfect. I have been trying to get MarshalN20 to read the civility guidelines and abide by them without his resorting to personal attacks and assumptions of bad faith against myself and other editors. If you could please intervene to ensure that he follows WP:CIVIL WP:NPA, WP:AGF and stop defending his right to make nationalistic personal attacks which he finds funny (comparing a Chilean to Pinochet) I would be grateful. Regards E  P  23:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Otto Perry images
Many of the images in Category:Otto Perry images, which you uploaded some of, fail our fair use criteria; see related discussion at Media copyright questions. Please reply at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. --NE2 05:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

On RFArb page
Hi Morven. It seems that a backlog may be developing in clarifications and other requests. This one is the oldest (almost 2 weeks old) but still does not have any arbitrator views, and I presume that's why the clerks have not archived it. Things are obviously beginning to queue up this month, but I think an update on the status is needed from an arb. (eg; if it's going to be/still being discussed on the mailing list or if it is dismissed and can be archived or...etc.) If you can make a note there, or provide some input within the next day or so, that'd be great. Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed decision - Abtract-Collectonian
This case is going to be 2 weeks old in another couple of days. Evidence/workshop is complete, and all proposals made on the pd page have been supported by 4 arbitrators. If you could kindly hop on over to this page to vote, that'd be great. Hopefully this case will be ready to close by 29 Oct. :) Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Article tagged for rescue
The Story of Maths has been tagged for rescue. -- IRP ☎ 22:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I invite you..
to explain to me why this was known for 2+ years (David Gerard said he had known about this in 2006 and spoke with Bishonen about it) and not acted on now until he had a spot of fun on the ArbCom election. Because I'm not seeing any reason for this block other than pettiness. SirFozzie (talk) 00:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Brad knew, Flo knew, Lar knew, Alison knew almost everyone knew. Even Gerard already knew. So who were these other "several" checkusers who wanted my private information? and what did they want it for! Trust Wikipedia with your name and adress, I should bloody cocoa. Giano (talk) 00:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The arbitration committee are to act as checkuser ombudsmen. The checkuser system requires trust, and for that to be maintained it is necessary that all reasonable question are seen to be investigated in confidence and the results, in an appropriate form, reported back to the community. I have no objection to you rejecting any consideration of the block, and indeed I would personally support your doing so, but I do find it very poor form indeed that you would fail to investigate the checkuser aspects of the affair. I strongly urge you to reconsider. Regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say jackassing around in the AC elections is plenty of reason to checkuser someone, don't you think? Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 19:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

passing the buck
Hi, I could use some help or advice.

(I have also asked NewYorkBrad, in case you are unavailable)

User:Freddyboytoy made a series of frivolous edits such as this in which he added a link to an article not directly relevant to the specific topic, although of an importnt person who was already linked to the article.

There was a warning, then another then another and discussion on AN, and I blocked him for one Week. He reacted very badly and asked me to ban him for life (which I refrained from doing).

I went through his edit history; every edit had been reverted except one, which I reverted as it was unsourced.

Another editor just came to me concerned that Idiotsonwakipedia is a sock-puppet of Freddy.

Compare this edit with this edit

Now, I am loathe to accuse someone of being a sockpuppet without more evidence. But I also am opposed to using socks to evade blocks (which will end in a few days anyway!!). is this worth a checkuser? If not, what would you advise me? If you see a clearly appropriate course of action by all means just go ahead and do it.

Thanks, Slrubenstein  |  Talk 01:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)