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May be of interest
Hi, started a discussion @ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football regarding the Alan Wright infobox, thought it may be of interest to you whenever it gets some answers. As you can see my opinion on the matter but I'm open to be corrected. Regards Narom (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Benteke
Well, when Benteke was born, it was Zaire not DR Congo. And was the same for 7 years after he was born. I don't think it's needed to repeat "Kinshasa, Zaire" in the body of the text because it's already in the infobox. The Madras (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Point taken, but surely the Kinshasa, DR Congo and Zaire articles will tell you that, it's not the job of the Benteke article! I suppose you could leave the infobox as it is, and put it in the main body? The Madras (talk) 11:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Birmingham event
If you're in or near Birmingham, you may be interested in this event on 15 March. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:30, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

NextGen Series
Hi. How many competitions have been just "suspended" and it continues suspended forever? It's always better for the owners to postpone instead of admiting the end of their creations. In fact in last 2 weeks, NextGen organiser said again that there will be a competition soon, suported by the fact of teams like Fulham, but most of all Man. United being out of Champions League, an so out of Youth League.

Ok, NextGen still not abolished, but one year after now, 2 years after, the competition will continue to be just suspended unless the organizers says "it's canceled"?Rpo.castro (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, I suppose it is made clear in the text that the tournament is currently suspended, if it does start again next season then we can just remove the 'abolished date'. Thanks. Mountain cirque 09:18, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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Football statistics
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File:Didcot, town centre.jpg
Hi, did you take this photo today? -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A couple of weeks ago, is it ok?. Mountain cirque 12:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The reason that I ask is because you put today's date into the date parameter, and the weather in the photo doesn't match the weather in Didcot today: in the photo, there are strong shadows, hardly any cloud, and the person just left of centre (facing camera) is wearing a short-sleeve shirt; but today, there isn't much sunlight - there are too many clouds, and it's windy and quite cool. The date parameter is supposed to be the date when the picture was created; it also affects whether I put the pic into c:Category:September 2014 in Oxfordshire or c:Category:October 2014 in Oxfordshire. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:31, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It was last month, I have corrected the date now, when I uploaded it the field said date taken or first published, so I took the first published day to be today. Thanks for the info! Mountain cirque 13:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I take it that you used the Upload Wizard on commons - I've never successfully used this: it's slow, the interface is horrible, and when unexpected things happen it's very difficult to work out why. Today, I can't even get as far as the bit where you enter the date, so I can't check on what it asks for. But if it does say "first published", that's for images that were obtained from another website, such as Geograph.
 * Anyway. Do you live in or near Didcot? There is a Wikipedia Meetup every month in Oxford; the next one is on 19 October. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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Updating Aston Villa Players for 2014-15
I'm relatively new here, and i'm on here to help with football articles, just wondering if you could help me out with updating a few of our beloved villa players summaries. Also, how do you get the user boxes? That's probably a silly question. Cheers -Kyle — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVHolloway (talk • contribs) 12:12, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

a Didcot
Hi, re - it is fictitious - an online search probably won't turn up this book, which AFAIK is the only place where it's mentioned: Can't tell you the page, I've misplaced my copy. Stephen Fry was caught out by John Lloyd in an episode of QI when Lloyd fed him this "fact". -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:58, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Michael Beasley (bishop)
Hi, I noticed you changed the article Michael Beasley (bishop) to say that he was Deputy Director of the Partnership for Child Development. I have reverted this edit because you didn't provide a reference. Currently, the references used state he was Director of the Partnership for Child Development. If you can find one that states he was only Deputy Director, feel free to change thus again. Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 15:12, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being lazy, he was the acting director for the group for a year or so but was deputy director for most of his time there, the paragraph read that he was director for 7 years (2003-2010) which is factually incorrect, he was only director in 2009-10. One ref is: http://www.westcott.cam.ac.uk/uploads/News/Westcott_review_2007-8.pdf which notes that he was deputy director in 2008. I will add when I have time. Mountain cirque 15:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. Feel free to correct it when you can. I was just going off what the source I had said. Thanks, Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 17:14, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

George Ramsay
Hello. When reading the Ramsay article, the first thing I noticed was the bit about how he joined Villa was missing, so the text didn't make any sense; I quickly bunged in some unsourced text so it would at least read OK. I've now added a source which should suffice. You're right, the article is sorely lacking in references – I'll see if I can come up with some more. Jellyman (talk) 11:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for the welcome
Hi Mountaincirque,

Just wanted to thank you for the pleasant welcome message that you left on my talk page :)

Regards, Acapital (talk) 18:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acapital (talk • contribs) 18:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

James Chester
You could always revert my revert and add the reference before you click 'Save'? I did the right thing by removing unsourced content from a BLP article. It's not that big a deal. – PeeJay 14:59, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You're right, it's by the rulebook, but what does that add to the encyclopedia? You made it incorrect. It just seemed like a lazy editing choice, no offense. It's easy to RV, but it would have taken you a minute longer to just add a section and ref, or alternatively just leave it and they would have been added by others. Mountain cirque 15:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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Sanchin Talk
Goeth thou to the TALK page for Sanchin to raise specific objections with regards to references. The articles linked are different and, for that magazine, not at all terrible. Nevertheless, there are other published references available which can be added IF you specify WHAT claims you feel the articles fail to support. TheDoctorX (talk) 01:53, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I really don't like your tone, especially USING CAPS. I made the revert in good faith, the page had been tagged as requiring a ref improve for two years and by adding one very poor reference (no publisher, no URL, no page number) for one section of the article that did not in my opinion result in the article not requiring better referencing. For instance the lead of the article uses the Black Belt magazine reference, having reviewed that it makes no mention whatsoever of Tam Hon, Ang Lian-Huat or the details on the use of nukite zuki or Goju ryu. Basically, it is a mass of original research loosely associated to one decent reference (bizarrely also it is repeat referenced multiple times which should be corrected). The whole thing needs a re-write based on that one source as the rest is unreliable. As for the section on shime, who knows whether that reference is correct as it is so sparse and of little use to those ho don't want to google the book and spend time trawling through for themselves. I'm happy to go through and use.


 * I would argue that you are the one that needed to go to the talk page to justify why the very minor information you added justified the removal of a long-standing tag on the article. All in all, I'm unsure why you are so adamant that this article is perfect as it is. I'm sure there are many references around for this well-known kata which is prominent in shito-ryu and shukokai as well as the styles mentioned here without reference (Uechi ryu aside). Having ref improve tags makes it more likely that editors stopping by will improve this article, making it more useful for everyone. Mountain cirque 13:06, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

"Cultivate, dear Zilkov, a sense of humor."

Perhaps you should not use "ALLCAPS" as well, but perhaps best to understand its legitimate use of emphasis. Absent remains any specifics requested. I suppose it is hard it is to pick up a book and read it; nevertheless, linking to a page that violates copyright remains unhelpful as is the rest of your screed.

Since you contribute nothing but your imagined offense, I shall waste no further time with you.TheDoctorX (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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Though I shall note, "en passant," that the copyright holder has filed a complaint against the URL you offered as a reference. Thus ends the lesson. TheDoctorX (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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"Like a bloody opera singer . . . always back for her 'Final Performance!'"

--"Old Tom," Rumpole of the Bailey

1. Copyright Violation: was a copyright violation. Period. The holder has taken action against the site you linked. After "seven years" or even a few days you should know the rules of not just Wiki but, well, the United States and other relevant jurisdictions. Wiki helpfully provides a warning regarding copyright violation on pretty much every page. You should read it.

2. References: this is how it is done, son. On online and terrestrial scholarly works. Books do not always have a "url." Yet despair not, there are these things called "libraries." Or you can use this thing I hear the kids tell about called the "internets" or something where you can, like, put in titles and authors and Amazon[Tm.--Ed.] or even The Googleplex links to books where one may purchase with monetary units or--Heavens to Betsy--arrange to have a local library borrow it from another library connected through this "internets" thing.

Nevertheless, had you behaved as an adult and complied with the Kind and Measur'd in Manner and Speech request to ASK for SPECIFICS--oh noes! All caps! What about the children?!--you would have been provided with it.

You did not.

So I will not bother reading your the remainder of your temper-tantrum attempt to pretend you were not wrong and did not violate both Wiki rules and actual laws. You contributed nothing relevant otherwise and consistently refuse to do so.

This concludes this correspondence, which I did not initiate, but I terminate with satisfaction. TheDoctorX (talk) 13:29, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion
 Thank you for the Olive Branch regarding the discussion on Sanchin, and please accept mine for my "rhetoric a trifle on the harsh side of strict." Perhaps we can dump this entire discussion and just pretend it did not happen?

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Spurs honours
There is a reason why it's down on Tottenham page, you can't trust other pages, websites all the time, if you goto the Tottenham museum you will see some information about that game and the trophy. Govvy (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was referring to published books which state that the match was not competed for that season, these are histories of the Corinthians football club that played in all but one of the ties. Your personal experience of the Spurs museum is not a suitable reference for Wikipedia, they may have got confused themselves as the Shield match was held in 1934 at end of that season, not the start of the 1934-35 season, there are programmes available online. If you leave that information for 1935 on there you are claiming a trophy that was never played for and basically 'inflating' the number of minor honours Spurs have won. If you have any reference, who they played, the score then please do include it. Do you not think it's odd though that it wouldn't be mentioned anywhere? I suggest you read the Sheriff of London Charity Shield page and look at the results there which are heavily referenced from newspapers and other reliable sources.

Mountain cirque 14:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow, you sound angry, is that why you posted a good faith reprimand on my talk page, because that's really out of order and I find that offensive. I refer to Tottenham's website, why on earth would they get information wrong on that note. I used it as a citation and you ignored that as the source of the information. If you have a problem with their information on their website why don't you email them instead of being rude to me. Govvy (talk) 15:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You have removed a warning from your own talk page which is considered vandalism. You have reverted edits and not used any citations. Mountain cirque 16:19, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I have been in email contact with the Spurs club historian today and he confirmed that there was an error on their site. He reviewed all programmes and fixture lists in the club record for the 1933-35 seasons. He has now removed the listing for the Shield win in 1934-35 which was in fact a friendly match . I hope that the error can now be removed from the Spurs wiki page? I'm sorry if you found my messages in any way offensive, I was merely pointing out that the information was not referenced and that many other sources disagreed with the claim. I would gently advise you to take a little more time and research before reverting other registered editors' edits, I am happy to rescind the warning I posted on your page to lay this to rest. Mountain cirque 14:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess you fixed it then, I tend to go by what I see on websites and Tottenham Hotspur are normally pretty straight and reliable. Out of interest, what's the email address for the historian at Tottenham? Govvy (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I contacted him through the form on the club website with an 'FAO Club Historian', his name is John Fennelly. I won't post his email address here in the public domain as it's not listed on the club website. Mountain cirque 12:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
Something to cheer you up.

Govvy (talk) 21:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC) 

Thanks, I really needed that. Mountain cirque 08:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * please help somehow, more comments and reverts today. The logic and interpretation of 'personal research' is just incredibly wrong. Mountain cirque 09:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Danny Welbeck
Yes, I would. You have no evidence that Welbeck was one of the 30 people who were given a medal. As I said to User:Govvy, I agree that the evidence suggests that he probably did, but there's nothing concrete either way, and without anything that explicitly states that he got a medal, I wouldn't consider him a winner. I don't know where you're from, but typically, in English football, one has to be involved in the final to be considered a winner. That's why Roy Keane doesn't consider himself to have ever won the Champions League. – PeeJay 13:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to leave the page as it is but I don't agree with your stance. As Arsenal were awarded 30 medals, they undoubtedly gave those to all players who played or were on the bench during the cup campaign. The previous season there was press coverage over Szczesny having received a medal with zero games played.


 * These are the formal rules of the FA Cup competition which state nothing about players being only awarded a medal if they play the final.


 * A final point, as Arsenal were awarded 30 medals to give out as they see fit, you will need a source for every player's medals, there is no distinction in the rules for players playing the final e.g. Arsenal could technically decide to award a medal to a player who did not play (due to injury) over a player who did play. Roy Keane may not consider himself a Champions League winner but Man U gave him a winner's medal from their allocation. Mountain cirque 13:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Roy Keane was a bad example since he was part of Manchester United's 25-man squad for the Champions League that season, and hence we know he would have got a medal. But since there is no process for naming a squad for the FA Cup as a whole, there's no evidence that Danny Welbeck was one of the 30 who got a medal for the 2015 win. If he ascended the steps and picked up a medal from the Royal Box, that would be evidence, but simply saying "Arsenal get 30 medals, and Welbeck played in a couple of games before the final so he must have got one" is not a good standard of evidence. – PeeJay 15:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

The Szczesny link hardly qualifies for the argument in question either since he was a sub in the cup final, meaning he got a medal. Davefelmer (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The FA give out 30 medals for the club to decide, those given at the ceremony are part of that allocation and are technically (see official rules above) given to the club not specific players. Being part of the match day final squad has zero official basis in the FA Cup rules for definitely receiving a medal. There is no reference for 'all match day XI and bench get medals by default', that is your own research. The only source for Szczezny's medal is that article which proves the club granted him one.


 * I'm going to butt out of medals/honours discussions from now apart from for the couple of general club honours pages I watch. For me any player that has played in a club's victorious cup campaign deserves that honour listed on their list, the details of games they played and whether they were in the final day match squad can be noted in the article or as a note. Was Danny Welbeck part of Arsenal's 2014-15 FA Cup winning squad: undoubtedly yes, was Welbeck one of their major contributors players in the competition, scoring the winner against Manchester United in the quarter finals: yes, apparently he doesn't hold the 'honour' on his CV though despite lifting the trophy as he was injured on the final day. If someone who doesn't know much about football comes across this article and wonders did Welbeck win the FA Cup with Arsenal in 2015?, I currently do not think they have the right information on the page. Mountain cirque 10:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * warmly received, let me know if I can help with anything further, I have worked on that page for a while and it is a topic I am very familiar with Mountain cirque 08:31, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 109
Please do NOT post in talk page archives, and please do NOT post people's email addresses. GiantSnowman 18:41, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I already apologised for posting in the archive, almost immediately in fact. I have never done that before and had no knowledge of the rule before today. I also have no knowledge of a no email address rule, I made it clear in my email to Arsenal that I wanted the information to share with an ongoing discussion among editors and the address is in the public domain. I find your tone unnecessarily rude and definitely not assuming good faith. Mountain cirque 18:55, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

What do you think?
I have started adding sources to Enshin kaikan and Gigō Funakoshi do you think Vernon Bell should be created as he introduced Karate to the UK. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * sorry, I was away for a long weekend. I have looked up Vernon Bell and I'm not sure personally, I can see one or two minor passing references in books (Google), I think ultimately it would be an ambition to have a "Karate in the United Kingdom" article and he would be mentioned at the beginning of that. Thanks for your work on Enshin kaikan and Gigō Funakoshi, I will watch those too. Please add any other tasks to the 'to do' on the task force page and hopefully we can use the talk page there to discuss also. Mountain cirque ·  Join the Karate Task Force? 09:22, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Just thinking about Karate articles I think Karate in the United States, Karate in Japan as well as Karate in the United Kingdom would be viable articles what do you think? As I believe there is plently of good third person sources to support all three. Dwanyewest (talk) 09:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Honours tables
Hi Mountaincirque, I became concerned there was too much duplicated information in the Ongoing Honours table on List of football clubs in England by competitive honours won, so I designed a new table that keeps two of the totals, but has a slightly different purpose. If you have any thoughts, I'd love to hear them. Thought I'd better ask you here to save it getting sidetracked. Madshurtie (talk) 13:37, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I see what you've done, my only disagreement is on the word 'partial', I'd go for disaggregated myself as I don't think the term 'partial honours' makes sense as such. I'm behind what you're trying to do for the page. Mountain cirque ·  Join the Karate Task Force? 09:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I did a minor rephrase to make it clear partial applied to totals not honours. Let me know if you think it needs rewording again. Madshurtie (talk) 21:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

"Peacocking"
Hello. Was honestly surprised by your edit summary... That piece of prose stemmed from a discussion now at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 103 about where why and whether to list friendly and minor honours, that drifted into the undesirability of excluding from an encyclopedia things like early County Cups because they aren't important now so never could have been. Which encouraged me to give context to the early County Cup win, when it was still a first-team competition. Sorry you thought it was "peacocking". cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:04, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * sorry if it came across as snappy. As it was a single 1905 honour it just seemed odd to me that there was a long sentence explaining how county cups were important before league fixtures began (1888?). I fully support county honours being included but that sentence seemed out of place to me in the context of Birmingham City's honours, feel free to partially revert/rewrite. All the best Mountain cirque ·  Join the Karate Task Force? 11:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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Tottenham honours
Wanted to double check if you have matched List of football clubs in England by competitive honours won with List of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. records and statistics. Cheers, Govvy (talk) 09:47, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did check there as the main source. The criteria are tighter on the competitive honours page and in the Spurs main page editors' wisdom they have not listed Sheriff of London Charity Shield and Anglo-Italian Cup wins in their main honours, despite these both being FA-backed honours. The sums were wrong so I tweaked the honours, all the break-down can be seen in the tables below in that article. Cheers, 09:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

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Thoughts on Gyaku-zuki
Do you think Gyaku-zuki should be linked to its German equivalent article and also do you think Gyaku zuki should be redirected to Gyaku-zuki. What do you think? Dwanyewest (talk) 12:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have just looked at both Gyaku-zuki and Tsuki, I would merge the small amount of content from the first into the second (and trim as it over-complicates the description of the technique in my opinion). I don't think it is really worthy of having it's own page separate from oi-zuki for example. Mountain cirque 10:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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Alan Birch
If moving a page like Alan Birch to a disambiguated new location, it would be helpful if you were to also turn the previous location into a disambig page, as having it as a redirect to the new location is pointless. You also need to fix broken links. I've done all this for you. GiantSnowman 11:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies and thanks for tidying that up, I was careless with that edit. Mountain cirque 09:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Billy Clarke (footballer, born 1878)
A lot of web sources I see use 'Billy', so it's probably best to have a discussion using WP:RM. GiantSnowman 15:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have proposed that now, all published works on him use 'Willie', there are at least three books. Mountain cirque 15:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hello and thanks for your messages. Sorry I've taken a few days to reply. I am totally new to this and totally lost. I am updating my boss's page. It was out of date and not comprehensive so needs updating. However I understand that I have made errors and would like to correct those. Can you possibly clearly identify what needs to be corrected and I will do so?? Thanks again Warcanbrisox (talk) 12:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * don't worry. A couple of things here, firstly, referencing. You cannot just add a line of text that says "X likes mountain-climbing" and press 'save changes', unless it is already referenced on the page (so if it's on the subjects staff profile for example which is already referenced then it's fairer usage). You need to click the 'Cite' drop-down menu and select the 'Templates' menu to add a reference for that information e.g. 'Who's Who 10th Edition etc. etc.' You cannot just add things that you 'know' either, especially if it i they need to be found elsewhere just like if you were writing an academic piece of work. Otherwise it is classed as 'original research' which is not allowed as this is meant to be a sourced encyclopedia.


 * Secondly, you mention that you have a close work relationship with this subject, this is also a conflict of interest, there are a number of reasons not to edit your own page or your employer's page, one that jumps to mind is potential reputational damage if it is discovered that staff of the subject or the subject themself had edited their own page to highlight desirable topics and remove non-desirable topics. I'm not making that accusation here of you, I can see your edits are quite basic and genuine but you have strayed a couple of times into language that is not quite the right tone for an encyclopedia. In your case I would consider it OK to go in and review text you have added recently and add a reference for anything that isn't referenced. Then I would take a break as making repeated edits over a longer period of time is more likely to end up in the edits being reverted in my opinion. Mountain cirque 13:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * thanks so much I really appreciate your help. I'll print out the entry as it currently appears and mark up all the places I think need referencing.  Then I'll find the references if I can - this could take some time! I totally understand all your points about conflict and the language comes from various bios that are regularly used for him in by various organisations - not me! Most of it is very basic as you say but I think I can identify the parts the a 'not quite the right tone'.  I shall deal with those first.


 * If you don't mind I will contact you after I've done as much as I think I can on referencing and see what your advice is at that point.Warcanbrisox (talk) 15:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring
I beg your pardon sir or madam, but I am not edit-warring. In fact I am a participant on the talk page which you ignored when you reverted my edit. That talk page discussion suggested removal, endorsed by at least two of us, which is why I made the WP:BOLD move. Please get your facts straight before diving in headfirst. Elizium23 (talk) 17:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)