User talk:Mourner

Srebrenica massacre article
Hi mate,

Thanks for your input on the above. Have left you a message on the talk page asking if you wanted to start making those suggested edits... I feel a bit overwhelmed by how poor the article is sometimes (and its often childish POV slant), so I just don't have the time to start making other people's suggested edits as well as my own! :-)

Regards Jonathanmills (talk) 21:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do - I will put something together tomorrow. There is a lot to be done on that article! Mourner (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll say! And the attitude of most of the other editors is (to put it mildly) not particularly helpful -- although I don't want to prejudice you against them; I'm sure you'll reach your own conclusions in time.


 * To be honest, I'm pretty burnt out on it, at least for the moment. If you stick around, though (and Mondeo is another editor I have a lot of respect for), I'll be more likely to at least maintain some involvement in it. Cheers Jonathanmills (talk) 21:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of other documents that I am checking for the article. From my reading of the article - apart from the fact there is no structure - is that there is an over-reliance on documents obtained via Google rather than using primary sources which inevitably lead to either quotes being used out of context, or quotes being used as a POV or both. The Alternative Views needs some detail as it is rather basic. And also some work on the Dispute Regarding Serb Casualties. I can't promise a lot but I will suggest further improvements to the article. Mourner (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, only what you can handle man! :-)


 * IMO the main problems are inaccurate statements (like the one you identified, where the statement doesn't match the reference provided -- these are ENDEMIC in my experience); ridiculously pro-Bosniak POV (the Serb casualties section you mention is a good example; another is calling the RDC a 'non-partisan' body when it is nothing more than the continuation of the Bosnian government's War Crimes Commission, founded by its president); the needless length (it's just absurdly long; anyone would think it was an article on a world war, not a massacre); the constant use of verbatim quotes (without quote marks, which is highly unprofessional)... ok I'm out of breath now ;-)


 * Well, good luck with your contributions. I'll try and keep an eye on things, although like I say I feel my energy waning a little (I've always tended to edit in bursts, followed by periods of inactivity).


 * Anyway, cheers Jonathanmills (talk) 22:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)