User talk:MournerV

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Kyiv / Kiev
Hi Ev, just wanted to let you know I'm also disappointed about the renaming, it's offending to some Ukrainians. I understand your point though. We'll probably have to wait until it's solved on the Kiev article and then change it back on all the articles you edited. --MournerV (talk) 21:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi MournerV :-) I'm fully aware that these editions may offend some Ukrainians, and believe me that I'm sorry about it. However, in such cases the people who deeply dislike the names commonly used in the English language will always be offended...
 * Using the name "Persian Gulf" will offend some Arabs, although using the alternative "Arabian Gulf" will offend some Iranians (cf. Persian Gulf naming dispute).
 * Using the name "Shatt al-Arab" will offend some Iranians, although using the name "Arvand Rud" probably will offend some Arabs (cf. & ).
 * Using the name "Kosovo" may offend some Albanians, although using the alternative form "Kosova" will offend some Serbs.
 * Using the name "San Sebastián" will offend some Basques, although using the alternative name "Donostia" will offend some Spaniards.
 * Using the name "Macedonia" will offend some Greeks, although using the provisional reference of "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (or "FYROM" for short) will offend some Macedonians (cf. ).


 * ...and that without considering the fact that trying to "force into an English-language encyclopaedia a local name not commonly used in the English language" may end up offending some anglophones. :-)


 * In any case, as you well pointed out, the proper place to propose the adoption of the form Kyiv in the English-language Wikipedia is Talk:Kiev/naming. - Best, Ev (talk) 21:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)