User talk:Movieboffin

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Thanks so much for this constructive advice Marcus, I'm very grateful to you, also that you did it so quickly. I only mentioned her parental background by way of adding biographical detail, not the main reason for creating the page because, as you said, it would not be noteworthy and would almost definitely be queued for deletion on that basis alone. I am searching for the links to her articles on feminism, juvenile justice and also the campaigning stuff on learning difficulties. I have read things in the past but need to find online links. I shall look at the links you provided and continue working on it as a draft in the meantime. When I've improved on it, I'll put it forward for feedback again if that's ok? IS it acceptable to link to books which are not actually online - for example a book title (publisher link)? Thank you so much. Movieboffin (talk) 12:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've only been doing RFFs for a few days, but bear in mind feedback is supposed to be "advice" not for anyone to lay down rules or expect anything of you - shared experience is helpful in creating articles. I'm producing a kind of "Help" page on the different types of reviews/feedback which you might find helpful in writing your article and making a stronger case for the person you're writing about. This isn't finished yet, but you might find section 3 useful: User:MarcusBritish/Feedback advice.
 * To reply to an RFF, go into the date you made the RFF, then the [edit] options will show down the right.
 * Yes, books are best, because they are "permanent", websites come and go. See cite book on referencing books.
 * Regards,  Ma &reg;&copy; usBr iti sh [talk] 13:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That's great, thank you. I'll read Section three, it sounds like a great idea to create a page such as yours.  If I can link to hard copy books, that makes things much easier.  Thanks again.  Movieboffin (talk) 13:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Try to avoid citing sources written by her (e.g. her own website) because it present a Conflict of Interest WP:COI - try to find independent and reliable sources WP:RS, to backup anything and everything you say about her. Biogs have to be very carefully written.  Ma &reg;&copy; usBr iti sh [talk] 13:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I was uncomfortable with using her own links too, quite apart from the Wiki reg's but I was trying to experiment with properly formatting links, refs, citations etc. I will definitely clean them up with other sources. Thank you. Movieboffin (talk) 13:09, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully I am gradually improving upon it. I still need to complete a couple of the ref's (before anyone points out that they link to nothing - only two of the books which are quite old and I'm still searching for publisher links). But, hopefully, by the time I've finished, it will be a worthy article. Thanks. Movieboffin (talk) 14:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well there are a few references you will need to reconsider and remove, per WP:RS - anything like Facebook, Twitter or Myspace, and other Wikipages (referenced as "sources", not wikilinks) cannot be used - they are not "reliable sources" in themselves.  Ma &reg;&copy; usBr iti sh [talk] 15:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

There is only one Facebook link, no Twitter or MySpace links. I'll remove the FB one, didn't realize it was a problem, sorry. I didn't realize you couldn't link to Wiki pages for biographies of well-known people such as her father, George Harrison, or a TV station, or place but no matter, I can easily replace them with external links. All the others are independent links, apart from her website which I will remove before posting the actual article. Thanks so much. Movieboffin (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

By the way, thanks so much for this Marcus, it really is so helpful. I don't want to look a complete idiot if I actually post it to the real Wikipedia pages. Not on my first article anyway! I really do appreciate the trouble you're taking. I am beginning to realize that it's quite a lot of hard work to get these articles in any kind of shape to be posted! Movieboffin (talk) 15:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't apologise, please.. I'm just stating what is in the guidelines, not rebuking anyone. You CAN link to other articles, but not as references - i.e. Wiki is not considered a "reliable source" because it is based on user-contributions which may be inaccurate. You can, however, create a level 2 == See also == section, and put links in that - they are neither references nor wikilinks, just related articles. So you'd end up with, for example: