User talk:Mpkenning

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 Sincerely, Rasnaboy (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)   [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rasnaboy&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Welcome_to_Wikipedia/user-talk_preload (Leave me a message)]

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Quotation marks
Hi, thanks for your attempts at regularizing quotation marks, but please take another look at Manual of Style, which says:

Thanks. Nardog (talk) 09:10, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello. I apologise if I waste your time on this.
 * I fail to see the utility of this rule. It is a rule that is inconsistently adopted among linguists themselves, and the reasons for using it seem tenuous among those who do follow it. (For example, two histories of linguistics I saw both used and didn't use them. One linguist I adopts the usage but admits its uselessness.) I suspect it's the observance of an empty convention. (Besides, it makes it harder to quote passages following this rule. When does a "simple" gloss become non-simple?) I think that an overwhelming readers neither notice nor care. As much of a stickler as I am, sometimes I don't even notice. It simply is unimportant and otiose.
 * The rule itself may be clear, but it is not consistently used across Wikipedia—and more honoured in the breach. I have found whole pages where both single and double quotation-marks have been used for glosses, "simple" or not. Beyond "simple" glosses, single quotation-marks are frequently used for irony, sneering quotations, emphasising a use of terminology, for a word-in-itself, even direct quotations. If the rule had followed a current overwhelming usage of punctuation, I would begrudgingly agree. But most people do not care, and in their own usage use one or the other freely interchangeably. Ultimately we sacrifice simplicity for no additional clarity.
 * Anyway, it's abundantly clear when something is a gloss, not because of the quotation-mark used, but by context: the propinquity and simple omission of a comma does that. We don't need single quotation-marks to do that.
 * If them's the rules, so be it. But it is preposterous to have a rule that few follow and few notice. Is there somewhere where I can argue for this rule to be scrapped?
 * Thank you. Mpkenning (talk) 11:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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