User talk:MrX/Archive/April-June 2014

Arbcom Request
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 * Arbitration/Requests;
 * Arbitration guide.

Thanks,


 * Thank you for the notification. I will not be able to add a statement for at least a couple of days. - MrX 00:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

a Recent edit on David and Jonathan
Recently, You undid an edit that I made to an article regarding some modern understandings of David and Jonathan potentially having a homosexual relationship. As cited when you removed the edit, the edit was made in good faith, to help deepen the understanding of the issue in the actual recorded Hebrew text. I am a Hebrew scholar who has studied the language, and felt that it was important to note this issue of language usage is something that many people who hold the view that David and Jonathan had a homosexual relationship are unaware of. The reality is, in the original language, which uses different words to describe different kinds of love, it is much clearer that the relationship was indeed one of devoted friendship, as apposed to romantic intimacy. I must say that while their are many issues within scripture that suggest homosexuality to not be a clear cut sin, The viewpoint that David and Jonathan were in a homosexual relationship may very well be, simply put, a sensationalist view of a biblical text in light of the growing controversy of homosexuality, absent of any real knowledge of the Hebrew language and its use in the Biblical narrative. While I apologize for not being able to cite a reference at the time, I nevertheless feel that this bit of information is important to that particular part of this article. When more time is available to me, I will be expanding on the issue from a scholarly perspective as a member, and trust that it will be respected as a counter point to the other perspective.
 * Thank you for message. Wikipedia requires that all content must be verifiable in reliable sources. Since Wikipedia is not a repository of original/unpublished thought, your analysis unfortunately can not be included in the article unless it appears in reliable, published sources (see WP:OR). I'm sure you understand that we have no way of knowing if you are actually a Hebrew scholar as you claim, or not, because user accounts here are anonymous.- MrX 19:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics opened
You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by May 4, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, S Philbrick  (Talk)  15:41, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice to see you
editing again :) Welcome back! Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had a nice break and now I have little more time to spend on my obsession hobby. - MrX 21:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT adoption
Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT adoption, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT hate-crime legislation
Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT hate-crime legislation, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay the reverting edit on that one page
This guy/girl has been trying to delete any deletion tags on that page period. (also has been adding this non existant person onto this film Dracula Untold page with different IP's) just someone to keep an eye for. Wgolf (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I will keep a watch on it also.- MrX 17:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Re: Social Management article
Oops, sorry about not providing any references! I'll try to add them later today. This is the first time I've created an article, mistakes were bound to happen, I guess. Thanks. Dombili (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Do your Research before Falsely Accussing
You need to take the time to look things over if you decide to get involved in accustions. Further false accussations will not be tolerated and promptly reported. WP:3R does not mean someone fixing their reference. But you are correct there is an edit war that I did not iniate and have left to the usual unproductive editors who troll wiki to pursue and promote their ideologies. I hope I have offended any who think wikipedia is a place to promote their agendas which is to many to count. Have a good day and be more diligent before throwing around accusations. 208.54.40.144 (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I stand by my warning. Please see WP:EW and WP:BRD.- MrX 15:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Ditto See above

Speedy deletion declined: Suelong Sae Ma
Hello MrX. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Suelong Sae Ma, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Appears to play for a professional club in a significant league, which is definitely enough for A7. Thank you. Olaf Davis (talk) 13:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I also missed that he won several cups.- MrX 13:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You're welcome Franzthemogul89 and thanks for the barnstar. I thought it was probably just an accident. Happy editing!- MrX 00:57, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Reconsider
Mostly because I don't want to get sucked into the role of hall monitor, I don't want to start moderating ArbCom pages. But please reconsider whether your comment at "Hail and Farewell" will (to quote you) "contribute to making the atmosphere here less toxic, or building an encyclopedia, or moving this case to a meaningful conclusion", and if it doesn't, consider removing it. It's kind of the same thing that C did, just dialed back a few notches. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I will retract it.- MrX 19:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with you on the Latin, sarcasm, condescension, wikilawyering, and passive aggressive tone. But even if someone makes themselves look like an ass my overriding concern is for them to get a fair hearing, and for justice to be seen to be done. Nevertheless I doubt that acting on your laudable suggestion re. process would make much if any difference in the long run (off-wiki communication likely takes place among the members).  Where there is neither impartiality nor transparency there is precious little chance of justice. Just sayin'. Best wishes, Writegeist (talk) 19:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that Collect's concerns deserve examination, but the way he's currently going about it will likely fail because it's argumentative, bordering on disruptive. He should craft a brief, factual, non-snark-laden appeal to Arbcom via their documented process. That (I would hope) would compel the committee to adjudicate it, rather than individual arbs opining.- MrX 20:31, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Totally. Writegeist (talk) 04:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Arbcom diff count
I see that you've collected a lot of diffs and exceeded the maximum. You ought to pare back a bit. For at least one of the "parties", I don't think the committee will take any action. – S. Rich (talk) 22:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi S. Rich. I received permission here to extend my evidence to the full allowance normally given to parties.- MrX 23:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

mrx

 * Articles require reliable sources and must be verifiable, so without sources, it doesn't seem as if there is anything that you can do. Sorry.- MrX 12:35, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Have you seen
My post to WP:NPOVN about Persecution of Muslims and Islamophobic incidents? Dougweller (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No, but I will weigh in on the discussion a bit later.- MrX 17:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

About you unreviewing the page Panic 5 Bravo
Hello. I saw your notice of your Unreviewing of my A editors page and i was wondering why you did it. I couldn't see anything wrong with the page. Thanks! Dudel250 ChatPROD Log CSD Logs 23:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Dudel250. The reason that I unreviewed it was so that other new page patrollers would have an opportunity to review it. I do this sometimes in borderline cases to get a second opinion, for example when notability is in question, or when a new article seems spammy. In this case, the editor who created the article keeps violating copyright by inserting copy-pasted content from IMDB.- MrX 00:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Got it. I'll Watch the page along With my other patroling Then. Thanks for doing that Dudel250 ChatPROD Log CSD Logs 00:56, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the transition for my page. I joined a few days ago so I did not know about sandbox thanks

Speedy deletion declined: The Crunch
Hello MrX. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of The Crunch, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Having members who are or were members of a notable band indicates importance/significance. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:08, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you.- MrX 22:11, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Be careful about the notability categories
You added a notability tag on JacOS, saying that it does possibly not meet the guidelines for companies. However, JacOS is an operating system according to the article! Therefore, I removed the improper tag. Feel free to re-add the tag, but leave no category because an OS does not fall under any of the categories. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 00:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ooops! I meant to select 'products and services' from the Twinkle drop down for notability. WP:GNG would have been the better choice. Thanks for catching that!- MrX 00:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Good day. Piguy101 (talk) 00:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Iamaperson


A tag has been placed on Iamaperson requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Dolescum (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I moved the page to user space, thus creating a redirect, which I then CSD:R2ed. It looks like the original author then removed the CSD template and re-added the original content.- MrX 16:34, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Template Removal from Photo Gallery: Chukwuedu Nwokolo
Removed template from [] according to []: "Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images." Thank you for your good attention. Mgvlight (talk) 19:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's part of it, but image galleries in general are discouraged. Many of the images in the gallery at Chukwuedu Nwokolo lack encyclopedic value and some border on trivial. It sort of reminds me of Facebook. In any case, I'm not going to revert again, but I wouldn't be surprised if another editor replaces the cleanup tag, or remove the gallery entirely. Happy editing.- MrX 19:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Gracias! Thank you a mil times, MrX for your good lecture and help. You should also make an "exception"[] on the other "intricate detail" template you put at the article beginning - according to: []. And I think the details are really "measured" and needed for article clarity. I thank you again for welcoming me to Wikipedia! God bless you, MrX! Mgvlight (talk) 20:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Tesla
Next time you accuse me of disruption simply because I was responding to a RfC and giving an alternative proposal, you will be reported. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 21:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps 'disrupt' was too strongly worded, so for that I apologize. However, please start a new section if you wish to request comments for a new proposal. Please don't co-opt an existing RfC. It's difficult to find consensus with a constantly moving target. For example, Austro-Hungary was not a nation when Tesla was born, so why include that as a new option? The RfC is not about geopolitical changes in Coratia/Austria/Hungary/Yugoslavia during Tesla's life; it's about the name of the place where he was born. Let's please stay focused.- MrX 22:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * (edit-conflict) Tesla was such a great cientist that it is a shame that editors instead of expanding his discoveries and archivements dedicate such an effort in Balkanic possessivness over him. The same issue was discussed so many times in the past. Including the Croatian Military Frontier was a compromise already archived in past discussions (another editor also remembers). I am sorry if you took it personally that I expressed my opinion over your RfC as being useless. It was not against you, it had absolutelly nothing to do with you, but rather with the fact that each time some new editor comes questioning it, we discuss it all over again, and it is repetitive. Today we have this user trying to pretend the Military Frontier never existed or that it is unworth mention. Tomorow we´ll have possibly some Serbian editor bringing some text how Tesla says he is Serb and proposing because of it ignoring Croatia, and so on...
 * I accept your apologies, and I also apologise for my reaction. My intention was just to reach consensus in one centralised discussion, your RfC. I think it is not unusual to have alternative proposals all in one thread. The issue is the same, all regarding Tesla´s birthplace. Just one question, why you say A-H was not a nation when Tesla was born? FkpCascais (talk) 22:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries. I agree that these nationalistic discussions are bad. The reason I created the RfC was so that the discussion would reach some conclusion that might have a binding effect. I know this has occurred in the past, but it seemed appropriate to probe consensus again, given some of the recent discussions. My point about Austro-Hungary (Austria-Hungary) is simply that it was the successor state of the Austrian Empire and did not exist until 1867, eleven years after Tesla's birth.- MrX 22:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, you are right, it was Austrian Empire... I assumed automatically it was A-H already, how embarassing, my fault.
 * Regarding the discussion, you are right, lets see what will happend. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 04:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm NQ. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Kavanavallil, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.  NQ    talk  04:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Miss Multiverse page deleted
Greetings MrX,

I have a frustrating issue here... I have created the page Miss Multiverse, it was deleted once before about a year ago, i don´t understand why if it has all the right references, no use of promotion, just referenced facts, there are even winners of miss universe that have participated in Miss Multiverse whom have profiles on wikipedia... and its still deleted as if this beauty pageant does not exist.

I would like to know why this pageant DOES NOT deserve a page just like the numerous other pageants that are on wikipedia....

I will appreciate your help enormously, if you would kindly take a look and figure out a solution.

Best regards,

Jose Cuello (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * MrX, just to let you know, I have removed the G4 speedy deletion template from the Miss Multiverse page. The page was deleted a year ago due to spam and a lack of sources to evidence notability. Multiple users have contested the speedy deletion on the talk page, and a few more sources have been provided. In this case, I think re-nominating at Articles for deletion would be a better alternative to speedy deletion. Cheers, Mz7 (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC), revised 16:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm good with that.- MrX 17:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/At (Windows)
You are invited to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/At (Windows). Thanks. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:01, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Alex-Andria Tel Aviv
Hello, I've seen this article and the same images in the previously deleted article a time ago. They all were deleted, I think the user must be SP of some one. I don't remember but I'm sure same user creating different accounts is trying to get his subject on WP anyhow. A.Minkowiski_Lets t@lk 14:33, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're probably right. Thanks for letting me know.- MrX 14:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

The Onion
Turns out, the "War of Currents" is indeed mentioned in our article article.

From today's Onion AVClub:

WikiWormhole: A look at erratic, influential inventor Nikola Tesla

Aspects the piece found notable:

I Maybe we should get this guy to write the lead.--Atlantictire (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Tesla's work was both "outlandish" and "potentially transformative" and presaged our wireless era
 * Westinghouse won the War of Currents using Tesla’s AC technology
 * Marconi’s radio was developed using a number of Tesla patents
 * Tesla forfeited his royalties in order to save Westinghouse from financial ruin
 * Tesla/Edison conflict: employee turned adversary, rivalry may have cost both the Nobel Prize
 * Wardenclyffe Tower
 * Later life eccentricity, specifically attempt to sell "death ray" to Allies
 * Interesting. As usual, I come for the article and stay for the comments.- MrX 23:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I had an ah ha moment just now. I edit sites on guitar effects and every once in a while you get a dude arguing for the inclusion an obscure boutique effect no one actually uses. You delete the reference but year after year they keep coming back. It's called product placement.
 * Most diehard Edison avengers would think better of continually pushing an obscure website. I'll just leave it at that.--Atlantictire (talk) 22:47, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I truly believe that the editor that I think you're alluding to is editing in good faith and without a hidden agenda. I also believe that if you look through the archives, you will see that their involvement with the article has been a net positive. I respect that you may disagree with that, but at least now you know what I think. Peace.- MrX 22:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look. It may seem like they're having a positive effect if they're mediating the Balkan conflict. But that's the least of the article's problems. I hate to be right about these things, so I'm gonna try to stay away.-Atlantictire (talk) 23:00, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Phoenix Towers (China)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Phoenix Towers (China), has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ȸ (talk) 05:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Emily Munro
I retagged this for CSD under A7, just FYI. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀ 11:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Eccentric pop records
Hello MrX. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Eccentric pop records, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Having notable bands on the label is an assertion of importance or sgnificance. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks for letting me know. Have a nice day!- MrX 16:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You too, and thank you for patrolling new articles. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

FOBM Reverts Again
Reverts back to his preferred version of the article, nevermind talkpage discussion.

There is not a single edit of mine that has been preserved in this article because of this. Not one. It has been going on for over a week. And no, I won't edit war with him.

It's not fair. Every edit I've proposed I've provided reliable sources for. FOBM filibusters with with dubious sources, sources that don't actually say what he says they say, and noise.

FOBM owns the Tesla article. You're the only one he allows to edit it.--Atlantictire (talk) 20:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There's not that much difference between your version and his, so I don't really understand why this can't me resolved with discussion. He mentioned "many inaccuracies", so that would be a good place to start a discussion. Failing that, there is WP:DR/N, WP:RS/N and RfC. I don't have time now to dig deeply into sources to help to sort this out, and I'm not sure when I will. I also don't like participating in discussions that seem more like hair pulling contests than collegial debates.- MrX 21:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's the complete lack of consideration and disregard for talkpage discussion and willingness to only collaborate with the admin. It's extremely passive aggressive and petty to revert or re-write everything, just so the version is your version. He does that with EVERYTHING I contribute. The ONLY reason it doesn't seem so bad is because I'm unwilling to edit war with him. I either complain to you or let him have his way. These are my options: Edit War or Give UP. He's very good at this.--Atlantictire (talk) 22:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help find a resolution. The thread is "Talk:Nikola Tesla". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! MrScorch6200 (talk &#124; ctrb) 02:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for un-reviewing!
Hi Mr.X. I clicked the "reviewed" button by accident and then couldn't figure out how to undo it. Thanks for fixing my error. Can you point me to documentation for that feature? I think it's new. Terrek (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Here is the link: WP:Curation toolbar. This explains a little about patrolling new pages: WP:NPP.- MrX 13:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Floor area of Pheonix Towers
Hi Mr.X, Actually i'am not sure, about it but check here.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa Here for Burj Khalifa, floor area described is about 75 Acres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower For Kingdom towers the floor area specified is about 120 Acres Also i read in a news paper about Pheonix tower having floor area of around 120 Acres, so i just changed it !! So please double check if possible.. Frozenprakash (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Information like that needs to be sourced to a reliable source. The source that you added makes no mention of floor area.- MrX 14:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments
Thank you for your comments at. I probably won't make more comments at the DRN and left out quite a bit since it was about conduct, not content. I also can't agree that Atlantictire is editing in good faith, at least from my POV. There is one event in the editors recent edit history that would probably get the editor another block if not a ban. But its ANI stuff, not DRN. Thanks again. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * By "another block" I believe is referring to the time I told an admin to "eat my fuck" for chastising editors for petty violations of WP:CIVIL, when these editors were trying to get an Anti-Semitic article that had been plagiarized from a  hate site deleted. It's a very well known incident around here, and not something that I shy away from talking about. I'll thank FOBM to know that I do have principles, and I do know  right from wrong, and I am very willing to notice when someone is promoting horrendous content under the cloak of WP:CIVIL. That's not what's happening here. There are gradations of passive-aggressiveness that are destructive to Wikipedia.
 * The DNR guys seem to be doing a good job steering the discussion away from conduct and back to content. I hope FOBM does decide to stick around and participate.--Atlantictire (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

June 2014
If you want me to take your edit warring warning seriously, then I expect that you will be even-handed in your approach to the argument I am currently engaged with user:Ubikwit. As such, will you also put an edit warring warning on that user's talkpage as well? Limestoneforest (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I will if he reverts again. Please discuss your bold edit on the article talk page and try to gain consensus.- MrX 16:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Talk:WudaTime
Hello MrX. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Talk:WudaTime, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Does not rely on a page that does not exist. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:42, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it did apply when I added the tag. Apparently the article was recreated. - MrX 18:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Roland Aira
Egeltjes (talk) 12:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know which citing sources are defined as "Reliable". Roland, YouTube-video's, reading dutch magazines, such as "Interface" and my own visits to a (Dutch) music-store seemed not to be enough.
 * Also with immediately warnings about "Speedy deletion" and "Contest the nomination", then I don't feel any motivation about typing about the TR-8 and TB-3, which machines I do own.
 * Then I am afraid that photo's, which I made myself, are not welcome here too.
 * I realize your fight agains spam, commercial-usings and noncense is a continueing process, but I already had (and lost) such deleting wars on the dutch wikipedia in 2008 and I don't feel to have an other struggle anymore.
 * Hi Egeltjes. Please don't be discouraged. It takes some time to learn how Wikipedia works, and what is acceptable content, especially for new articles. Please start by reading the tutorials linked in the welcome message at the top of your user talk page. Article content needs to be based on reliable sources. You can read about that here: WP:RS. WP:CITE will help you learn about how to cite your sources with footnotes.


 * If you follow the instructions about creating your FIRST article, you will be less likely to see your articles nominated for deletion. Photos are welcome, and do not require references. You can read about uploading images here.


 * Of course we want to keep spam and vandalism out, but the community also wants an encyclopedia of notable information, which means that other publications wrote about the subjects first. Please take the time to learn about Wikipedia. You may want to try to improve some other articles and participate in talk page discussions before trying to create any more new articles. It's a great way to learn!- MrX 13:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Too late. My wiki motivation has gone. I got "hit" twice now. I learned my lesson and draw my conclusion. No more text from me here anymore. And please, delete my text in Roland's VT-3 and System 1, just as has been done with Roland's Aira. Egeltjes (talk) 17:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)