User talk:Mr CNP

helpme

I am new to wikipedia and don't want to make a mess of my first page, I have followed the suggestions and uploaded in my user space first but I can't seem to get images to upload in relation to my article and I;m just generally not sure if I have done it right.
 * With regard to images, to upload images to Wikipedia, your account needs to be autoconfirmed (see WP:AUTOCONFIRMED) which is a preventative safeguard requiring that you have made at least 10 edits and that your account is at least 4 days old. After this has happened you will be able to upload images, and perform other actions like moving pages. Thank you for making the effort to abide by our rules here, it's much appreciated. I'll get someone to go over your article and clean it up a bit, and I'll post a welcome notice under this message. Thanks. --Closedmouth (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome!
Thanks

Kerry Kayes
The article you've prepared for Kerry Kayes seems ready to be transferred to Kerry Kayes. Care to copy the information over there to create the article? Kingturtle (talk) 14:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Help with first article
Hi there,

I've just been chatting to closedmouth, and I've had a quick look at your article.

I hope I can help you to improve it.

I'll have a good read of it now, and write some more stuff here soon (within 30 minutes).

In the meantime, the information in that 'welcome' section is very useful, and I suggest you have a good read of it.

Thank you for asking for help, and for doing things the right way, by not just posting up an article before you've checked it out. 90 percent of people don't bother doing that.

OK, more soon,

Cheers,

--  Chzz  ►  14:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I want to do things the right way, thanks for helping.Mr CNP (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

OK, here are my comments on the article. Please bear in mind that a) these are designed to be constructive (ie make WP better), and b) they are just my own opinion.

The subject is certainly notable enough. The main problem with the style is that there are too many WEASEL words, and so it reads, in parts, like a promotional piece, rather than an encyclopaedia article. It needs editing to simply state facts.

For example;

"He is known as the backbone of British Bodybuilding with over 40 years in the sport. Kayes reached the peak of his bodybuilding career in 1994"...

Is he actually referred to, in a citable article, as 'the backbone of BBB' ? If not, that needs to go. Even 'over 40 years...', may well be true, but sounds too much of a promotion.

Better would be,

"Kayes started his bodybuilding career in 19xx".

Simple, factual.

Also, if you read up on references, you'll see that each 'fact' like that one can be backed up with a reference at the end.

Currently the article contains lots of external links throughout - these should all be moved to the end, and REF tags used to point to them. It's fairly easy to do that, and it makes the article look much more professional.

Also, the article should be in sections. To start a new section, you just put two equals-signs and the title of the section. The 'index' bit at the beginning will then sort itself out. You can even have sub-sections if you want (again, see the help files).

Put links in, using double-square-brackets, like bodybuilding and Manchester. Not too many, but some.

OK, that's my comments for now; personally I'd recommend you work on it more before putting it live. Others might suggest you throw it to the hordes now, and see what happens. Whichever way, please feel free to ask, here, if you want any further advice or help.

Cheers! --  Chzz  ►  14:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will certainly make the changes you suggest before making it live. Mr CNP (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Great, good luck. If you need some more help, stick another helpme in here and someone will get in touch. --  Chzz  ►  16:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

helpme I have made the changes suggested on my first article and need to know if it is ready to move, a little advice on how to do this and if possible some help adding an image to this page that I own, thanks Mr CNP (talk) 15:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the article would not get deleted/completely rewritten in its present form, but you might like to tweak one or two things before putting it live. When you're happy, you can move the article to where you want it to be by pressing the "Move" tab at the top of the article you've written. The is a limit on new editors moving pages - if you find you can't do it yourself, just grab another Wikipedia editor to do it for you.
 * External links : the references are good (though you might consider turning them into proper cite webs), but there are a couple of links (to forums I think) just sort of hanging in the main text. These will need to be dealt with - either moved to an external links section or used as references.
 * Consider outsiders : you know your subject very well, I'm sure, and probably the sport as well. Now try to re-read the article as if you knew nothing - like 99% of the Wikipedia audience. It's a hard thing to do, but if you manage it, you'll see that there a couple of places where you use a term - or name an important person - but only explain who they are in the next paragraph. Stuff like that will help other editors understand.
 * Infobox : you might like to add an infobox - for more information, see Infobox Person.
 * If you own the image, you should consider uploading it to Wikimedia Commons. Then it's a simple case of adding it to the article. The best place for it is probably going to be the infobox (see above) - follow the instructions of the infobox documentation page. Else, it's Example.jpg to add it somewhere else. See WP:IMAGES for more info.
 * I hope that lot helps - good luck! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 19:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)