User talk:Mr Hall of England

November 2020
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing all articles for bot-like editing against consensus (WP:NOTBROKEN) and not communicating when asked to stop. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You have been asked to stop replacing links to redirects with piped links because it is against our guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN. Despite these warnings, you are still replacing links, and the speed at which you are doing this makes me believe you may be using automated tools without permission. Mking a lot of changes quickly when those changes are against policy is still unacceptable even if done by hand. This is also not the first time you have continued to make edits after being asked to stop. For all these reasons, I have removed your ability to edit articles until you convince an administrator that you will stop making these edits and will listen when editors complain about your editing. There is currently a discussion at the administrator's noticeboard which you were notified about almost 5 hours ago. Please engage in that discussion. — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I would suggest you take some time to look for a mentor, someone who is prepared to monitor your edits and help guide you as to what and what is not acceptable around here. Otherwise you're not getting back in this game. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!&#33;!&#33;) 19:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * And what lesson have you learned? You've not once suggested any understanding of why you are blocked. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 19:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright I won't change a redirect. Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , I think that was just an oversight. —valereee (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page
Hi Mr Hall, I'm sorry but I don't have the time at present to be able to mentor you for editing - are the other any editors who you know who you might be able to approach? Apologies for not being able to help at the moment. Maybe try the Rugby Union project page to see if someone can help? I won't be able to update the Six Nations page as requested and will remove that from my talk page as it makes it a bit long. Sorry --Bcp67 (talk) 15:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * One think you do need to do is keep your talk page for messages rather than for testing out edits. You can create a sandbox for that by starting a new page as User:Mr Hall of England/sandbox and do your practise edits there.  The talk page should just be for people to put messages for you.--Bcp67 (talk) 15:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ↑  Mr Hall of England, read the above and take it seriously. You still have access to your sandbox if you want to draft content; the fact that you're continuing to abuse this talkpage—which belongs to Wikipedia, not to you, and is intended only for communication—not only means you'll have talkpage access revoked if you keep it up but means you're demonstrating that you have no intention of following Wikipedia's rules and consequently will have any future unblock requests declined. That would be a  lame hill to die on. &#8209; Iridescent 21:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Let's talk about this
Hi, Mr. Hall! I see you're having problems here. I am going to suggest you temporarily put aside your current goal of finishing the Peerage, and also put your unblock request on hold. If you'll do that, I'll work with you here on your talk page to better understand how things went wrong here on Wikipedia for you. I can't commit to an ongoing mentorship, but I will try to help you get to the point where an administrator might be willing to consider unblocking you. Ping me if you respond or I might not see it. —valereee (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Thanks @User:ValereeeMr Hall of England (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. Okay, first a bit of housekeeping: I'd like to get your work plan off your talk page, as this page should be only where you interact with other editors. It looks like you can do that yourself; please do it. You can move it to your user page if you like.
 * Second, enable Preferences>Gadgets>Browsing>Navigation popups.
 * Third, enable Preferences>Editor>Editing>Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary.
 * Ping me when you've done that. Best to you! —valereee (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I will do that tomorrow evening. Thanks for the help.Mr Hall of England (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , okay, now everything below this section needs to be moved to your user page, where you've got other notes to yourself and stuff you've worked on/want to work on. Your talk page is only for discussing things with other editors and should contain minimal other stuff.
 * Let me know when you've done that, too. —valereee (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me know when you've done that, too. —valereee (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Redirects and piped links
Great, thanks! Okay, we can work on understanding the reasons for the block, which is the most important issue here. First, let's talk about how you learn best. You've been pointed, apparently a few times, at WP:NOTBROKEN. I'm thinking maybe reading long passages is not a great way for you to learn, is that true? It's fine if it's not, we can work with it. —valereee (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * OK then @—valereee
 * Okay, since reading long passages isn't a good way for you to learn, you're going to have to follow one really hard-and-fast rule: if another experienced editor tells you something about policy, you can either 1. believe them and stop doing what you're doing or 2. ask for advice at Teahouse before making any similar edits.
 * This means you need to simply accept that redirects do not need to be piped, and in fact it is unhelpful to "fix" them. And since you don't understand the reasoning behind that, you need to simply ignore all redirects from here going forward. If you find a redirect that you believe truly is incorrect, you need to ask about it at Teahouse instead of "fixing" it.
 * Do you think you can commit to that? —valereee (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Copied from my talk:

Unblocking
Thanks for the advice and help. Will be willing.Mr Hall of England (talk) 21:39, 18 November 2020 (UTC) I have done all the advice you have doneMr Hall of England (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC) Done that Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2020 (UTC) I have done that now, I agree I don't like reading long things. Mr Hall of England (talk) 15:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC) I can commit to that. Mr Hall of England (talk) 15:37, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Great! Let's move on. (You can reply on this page, to keep discussion in one spot.)

Additional concerns expressed
Okay, the other concern expressed was that you didn't respond to messages. Whenever you start an editing session, check to see if anyone has left you a message. If so, check to see what they're messaging you about. It could be about something you did in your last editing session.

You've enabled edit summary prompting, which will help you get in the habit of leaving an edit summary for every edit. Edit summaries are just as important as the edits themselves; they tell other editors why you're doing something.

You've also enabled navigation popups, which lets you hover over another editor's name and see how long they've been editing/how many edits they have. Generally if someone with more than 10,000 edits is telling you something about policy, they're quite likely correct. Either believe them, or ask at Teahouse.

Can you commit to responding to messages and using edit summaries? —valereee (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * YesMr Hall of England (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, why don't you try making another unblock request? I would recommend you use something like this as your reason:
 * I commit to ignoring redirects and will not try to "fix" them from here going forward. If I find a redirect that seems incorrect, I will ask at Teahouse for advice and help. I also will do my best to stay on top of messages and respond to them. I will keep Edit summary prompts turned on and commit to using edit summaries explaining all edits.
 * —valereee (talk) 16:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Mr Hall, that is not anywhere close to what I suggested you provide as your reason. —valereee (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's start again:
 * 1. What are you committing to do?
 * 2. What are you committing not to do?
 * —valereee (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2. What are you committing not to do?
 * —valereee (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I am committing to editing but not committing to redirecting Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "not committing to redirecting".
 * Here is what we need you to commit to, and to make a statement as a reason in your unblock request:
 * We need you to commit to not editing redirects.
 * We need you to commit to using edit summaries.
 * We need you to commit to answering messages.
 * We need you to commit to asking for advice at the Teahouse if you think there's a redirect that needs to be "fixed".
 * —valereee (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We need you to commit to asking for advice at the Teahouse if you think there's a redirect that needs to be "fixed".
 * —valereee (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * —valereee (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I will commit to them, where is the teahouse? Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Teahouse is at WP:Teahouse. You'll need to revise your unblock reason above. —valereee (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

message at my talk
re: your comment at my talk: Hi I haven't heard about my blocking lifted. Hope you are well, stay safe. Thank you for the well-wishes, I hope you are well and staying safe, too. You didn't respond to the block in a way that other administrators would likely accept. Please read the section just above, Additional concerns expressed.

Here are the pertinent parts:

Here is what we need you to commit to, and to make a statement as a reason in your unblock request: We need you to commit to not editing redirects. We need you to commit to using edit summaries. We need you to commit to answering messages. We need you to commit to asking for advice at the Teahouse if you think there's a redirect that needs to be "fixed".

You'll need to add to an unblock request a reason addressing all of these. As I suggested before, something like:

'''I commit to ignoring redirects and will not try to "fix" them from here going forward. If I find a redirect that seems incorrect, I will ask at Teahouse for advice and help. I also will do my best to stay on top of messages and respond to them. I will keep Edit summary prompts turned on and commit to using edit summaries explaining all edits.'''

—valereee (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I will commit to those values Mr Hall of England (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You'll need to replace the 'reason =' section in your unblock request with some statement like that one I suggested. I am not able to unblock you. You will have to convince someone else in your unblock request. —valereee (talk) 23:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Titles in remainder of other titles
Hey, Mr Hall! This table probably belongs on your user page instead of your user talk. Your user talk is for discussion between you and other editors. Your user page is for things like notes to yourself about what to edit next, like this apparently is. —valereee (talk) 23:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC) Thanks —valereee

Did you put this in my user profile page?
I ask (without anger) if you put this on my User Profile page, as I found this among the pictures at the head the page, and you are the only person in the page edit history apart from myself that is down as having edited something in it. It appears to have been an imperfectly put in illustration that failed to illustrate, leaving me to see only this:

| dummysize = | align = left | nocat = false | caption = This editor is an Service awards and is entitled to display this.

Cloptonson (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC) If indeed you did do this I would appreciate if you could take remedial action so that the image is visible.

Law Officers
7 March 1974	4 May 1979

"Added changes"
You've been blocked before for ignoring WP:NOTBROKEN, do you need to be blocked again? DuncanHill (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No I dont't but I have been hacked Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

March 2021
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain namespaces ((Article)) for continuing to violate WP:NOTBROKEN despite saying you would stop last time. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You said you would stop changing redirect links, and you're back to doing it again. If you have useful changes to make to articles, you can propose them on the article talk page. — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hereditary Peerages created since the Life Peerages Act 1958 moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Hereditary Peerages created since the Life Peerages Act 1958, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  Onel 5969  TT me 19:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Timeline of communications regulators (1954–present)
* Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications

Television Regulators
* Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications

Chairman of OFCOM
{{legend|#E6E6AA|Denotes Acting Chairman}}
 * Maggie Carver 1 January 2021 – present Interim
 * Status

possibly getting blocked forever
Mr Hall of England, I am really concerned that you could get blocked from editing indefinitely.

Multiple editors have tried to talk to you about the issues with your editing. We understand that you have a very difficult time complying with things like not fixing something that you think is broken, even when you've been told many times that it's not broken. But when you "fix" those things, someone else has to come along and put them back. That means you are causing other people extra work.

This is important: You could very soon be declared to be a net negative. That is, your good work is outweighed by the work you cause for other people.

If that happens, you will probably be blocked from editing at all, maybe forever. You won't be able to finish your list of tasks.

Please, stop "fixing" redirects. I know that's really hard. You have to stop. They aren't broken. You need to stop fixing them.

I need you to tell me this:

"I will never edit a redirect ever again, no matter what."

If you cannot make that promise, and stick with it, you are probably never getting unblocked. If you make this promise, and you ever edit a redirect ever again, you will likely be blocked from editing indefinitely. This is really serious. You need to pay attention.

—valereee (talk) 00:10, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I will agree to those terms, also I want to get back to editing my Lords pages. Mr Hall of England (talk) 09:56, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Baron Gardner

 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Alan Gardner, 1st Baron Gardner (1742–1809)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Alan Gardner, 2nd Baron Gardner (1770–1815)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Alan Gardner, 3rd Baron Gardner (1810–1883)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Herbert Gardner, 1st Baron Burghclere (1848—1921)'', illegitimate son who couldn't inherit the Barony.
 * Francis ffarington Gardner (1772–1821)
 * Stewart William Gardner (1812–1882)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Alan Hyde Gardner, "4th Baron Gardner" (1836–1899)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Alan Hyde Gardner, "5th Baron Gardner" (1881–)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg Alan William Gardner, "6th Baron Gardner" (1908–1975)
 * Coronet of a British Baron.svg ''Julian James Gardner, "7th Baron Gardner" (1942–)
 * (1) Ashley Rodney Gardner (1968–)
 * Archibald Horace Gardner (1945–)
 *  Adrian Arnold Gardner (1978–)
 * Robert Gardner (1916–)
 * Edward Zemindar Gardner (1838–1920)
 * Charles van Straubanzee Gardner, * 1883, + 1951, Md. 1900, Ellen Gardner, + 1951, d. of William Rickards Gardner.
 * Henry Gardner, * 1911, Md. 1941, Emma Gardner, d. of Harry Gardner.
 * David Francis Gardner, * 1945.
 * Charles Straubanzee Gardner, * 1951.
 * Edward Kingston Gardner, * 1917, Md. 1946, Mary Cicolia De Silva, d. of G. A. De Silva.
 * Frederick Anthony Gardner, * 1946.
 * Terrance Lewis Gardner, * 1952.
 * Francis Robert Gardner, * 1920, Md. 1953, Irene Martin.
 * George Washington Gardner, * 1954.
 * Benjamin Gardner, * 1889, + 1937, Md. 1914, Soaphe Sheakoa, + 1936.
 * Daniel Gardner, of Aligarh, India, * 1919, Md. 1946, Irene Christicole, d. of R. M. Christicole.
 * Noel Gardner, * 1947.
 * Ivan Elfin Gardner, * 1950.
 * Tandy Gardner, * 1846
 * William Rickards Gardner, * 1852, + 1915, Md. 1879, ?
 * Francis Faringdon Gardner, * 1880, +, Md. 1897, Henrietta Gardner, * 1881, + 1943, d. of Edward Gardner (See Above).
 * Wellington Gardner, * 1881.
 * Alan Hyde Gardner, * 1900.
 * Alan Hyde Gardner (1814–1888)
 * Alan Hyde Gardner (1850–1901)
 * Alan Hyde Gardner (1878–1949)
 * Francis ffarington Gardner (1881–1948)
 * Philip Charles Gardner (1883–1932)
 * David William Hyde Gardner (1913–)
 *  Alan David Hyde Gardner (1939–)
 *  Edward Morrice Gardner (1974–)
 *  Nicholas George Hyde Gardner (1977–)
 *  John Henry Wroth Gardner (1946–)
 *  Thomas Edward Wroth Gardner (1974–)
 *  Eliott Marrice Gardner (2004–)
 *  Oscar Edward Gardner (2009–)
 *  Daniel John Wroth Gardner (1975–)
 *  William Henry Gardner (1978–)
 *  William Patrick Hyde Gardner, (1960–)
 *  James Francis ffarington Gardner, (1962–)
 * William Henry Gardner (1774–1856)
 * ''Henry Cossley, d.1792
 * ''Herbert (29 Aug 1781-10 Aug 1858); m.7 Nov 1804 Mary Anne Cornwall (d.6 Nov 1857)
 * ''Edward (9 Mar 1784-   )
 * ''Valentine, d.1786
 * ''Valentine William (1787-d.at Canton Nov 1829)
 * ''Samuel Martin (1789-28 Nov 1851)

http://www.william1.co.uk/w136.htm

Hereditary Office (s)

 * 1) Marquess of Ailesbury, Warden of Savernake Forest
 * 2) Earl of Annandale and Hartfell, Hereditary Steward of Annandale and Hereditary Keeper of Lochmaben Palace
 * 3) Anstruther baronets, Hereditary Master Carver, Royal Household Scotland
 * 4) Duke of Argyll, Hereditary Master of the Household of Scotland, Hereditary Castle Dunoon

Up to 271

Married couples in the House of Lords
Based on the Life Peerages Act 1958 and Peerage Act 1963.
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19
 * and, married in 19

Blocked for sockpuppetry
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 * I've chosen to upgrade to an indefinite full block for the (apparent) evasion. Any admin is free to downgrade this back to a partial block at their discretion without consulting me further. CC as the most recent pblocking admin. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

While blocked, you may only use this page to request unblock, you may not use it to practice editing or prepare edits(they are still stored in the edit history); it's hard to communicate with you when you load this page down with tables for articles. 331dot (talk) 06:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

If your mental health is in crisis, please seek help from a qualified professional. Wikipedia is not here to fix your health issues. Even leaving aside the sock puppetry, which is not in doubt, you have said your account was compromised. These are both reasons this account will not be unblocked. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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