User talk:Mr John Miller

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Your submission at Articles for creation
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My submission "HOERBIGER Holding AG"
Dear Excirial,

thank you for your reply. Please, can you specify the passages in text, where more reliable sources will be necessary? As an example, the introduction: Who else but the company itself can provide information about financial figures or the number of employees? Regarding history, i think we agree to each other, that no free newspaper or the like would publish a whole company history. Nevertheless Hoerbiger Holding should not only have a record in German Wikipedia, because the group has thousands of workers round the globe who only speak English.

So can you help me and tell, which sources would find your acceptance?

Thank you in advance!

Direct link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Hoerbiger_Holding_AG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr John Miller (talk • contribs) 10:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hiyas there John,


 * To put it rather bluntly: The entire article actually needs reliable sources since all the sources inside the article were written by the company, or they were press releases written by another company. As mentioned, reliable sources pass the following criteria:


 * It is of sufficient size
 * It can be trusted
 * It is independent of the subject of the article


 * The currently added sources all fail the third criteria, since they were written by the subject or someone close to subject.


 * Examples of reliable sources would be quality newspapers such as the New York times, Major magazines, News websites, University published books and so on. Right now the article only contains self-publised sources, blogs, a wikipedia article and a webshop, and none of these pass the above criteria. Primary sources may only be used to verify trivial information such as Employee count, Current CEO and similar non debatable static information. However, an article may not be based entirely on primary sources, quite the opposite actually. A few primary sources for minor data as above is allowed, but the rest must be cited with secondary sources


 * Besides being used to verify the article content reliable sources are also the basis for the notability criteria that determines if a subject is important enough to be on Wikipedia. Sans reliable sources it fails the general notability guideline, which means that reliable sources are actually a requirement in each and every case. I would advice looking around for reliable sources first - for a company this size at least something must have been published in a newspaper or magazine (Which wasn't sponsored by the company)? I would also recommend using an article from the good article list as an example for writing your own article, as these are checked and found to be of good quality - thus making excellent examples for writing your own article.Personally i tend to recommend Pearson's Candy Company and Pike Place Fish Market since they are well written, decently sourced and most importantly not overly long. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 12:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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