User talk:Mr chuzzlewit

Please do not remove sections from pages without listing a reason. You did so here and here, and they weren't the first times. It is considered vandalism.--Rambutan (talk) 09:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)\

Rambutan..,desist in listing Murray Gold's FAITH and parents names on his biography. You have no idea what his FAITH is. Besides which, since when did Wikipedia delve into such matters anyway? This is a clear violation of Wikipedia's policy on living persons. Information about his parents is wholly unneccessary and, frankly, nobody's business.

Josiah Rowe has also pointed out that Outpost Gallifrey's forum is not considered a reliable source for information. Your criticism of the ending of "UNIT' is a minority opinion in a small thread of an internet forum. There have been several reviews in reputable publications from The Stage, Music from the Movies, Soundtrack.Net, none of which have made the criticisms you cite here. If you have a source for your information, please give it. If your source is a thread on an internet forum, then I'm afraid it is not considered good enough for Wikipedia.

Please have the sense to realise that these comments, both the personal ones and the professional ones, are considered intrusive, tendentious and unjust by the LIVING persons concerned.


 * I do know Murray Gold's FAITH, and there is no reason not to list his ancestry. Could you perhaps quote part of the policy suggesting that this is not allowed? I found out his parents names from an online encyclopedia similar to Who's Who, so it is in no way intrusive.


 * As to the Outpost Gallifrey complaints about the UNIT track, that is for consensus to decide whether or not it's valid. I find it amusing that you are asserting authority and knowledge of policy over me, having less than 50 edits to only two articles. If you wish to remove the information again, ask on the talkpage first. That is policy.--Rambutan (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

For WP articles listing parents and religions of composers, see here, here and here. See my reply to the Soundtrack issue here, and may I again request that you quote the policy which you referenced above: "This is a clear violation of Wikipedia's policy on living persons". Also note that I don't think Murray Gold finds his parents' names public knowledge as intrusive: surely it was him who passed them to Debrett's, which is the reference database from which I confirmed them (I happen to know someone who knows Murray's parents; they told me their names, but I needed a source).

If you know Murray personally (as you imply where you say that my comments are considered "unjust" by him) then you should not be editing articles related to him (thereby causing a conflict of interest): that policy can be found here .--Rambutan (talk) 17:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You are not allowed to remove text from articles without an edit summary. Contribute to the discussions. Answer my points raised above. Get in there!--Rambutan (talk) 18:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Your concerns and conflict of interest
Hi, Mr. Chuzzlewit.

Rambutan asked me to take a look at the situation on Murray Gold and Doctor Who: Original Television Soundtrack. By and large, I think your concerns are well founded: an internet forum is not a reliable source for criticism, and especially in the absence of any treatment of reviews from mainstream sources would place undue weight on the opinions of a tiny minority. I also agree that the names of Mr. Gold's parents are not important for his article (unless they are noteworthy in themselves — if, for example, his father were a noted conductor, it would be appropriate for the article to say "His father is the noted conductor Leonard Gold"). His faith may be noteworthy, if reliable sources have commented on it and proper attribution can be provided.

That said, Rambutan does raise a legitimate point when he asks whether you have a personal connection to Mr. Gold, and thus a conflict of interest in editing articles related to him. If you are a friend or colleague of Mr. Gold's, it might be better to raise your concerns on the article's talk page, and let uninvolved parties determine how to proceed. Contentious material may and should be removed immediately per WP:BLP, but for non-contentious material it's better to discuss the concerns on the talk page. Now, these issues (the criticism of the soundtrack album, and personal details of Mr. Gold's family and ancestry) might be considered "contentious", but if they are they're only mildly so: they're not defamatory or anything of that nature. It's a matter for your judgment whether you feel that Wikipedia can handle these issues without your action. I hope that we can — I certainly think that your concerns are important, and I will attempt to ensure that the articles follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Feel free to contact me on my user talk page if you have any further questions or concerns. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)