User talk:Mr cleaner upper

May 2010
Although you have been blocked, you can still read pages, and the conversation you started at Administrators' noticeboard is still going on.

Just in case you don't look at it, here is part of what I said: "Having looked at their reports to AIV, none of them (well, perhaps one) would have been eligible for blocking - they all had 1 or two edits (a couple had 3 or more) and no warnings. The reporter may think that we should block on the first edit that is vandalism, but that is not the way it works - unless it is necessary, we tend to give warnings (I'm typing this in case the reporter reads this) - s/he asked How many times can people deliberately mess up an article before getting IP banned? 10? 20? 1000? - none of these IPs were anywhere near that, almost all of them did it once or twice (and I looked at their deleted contributions too)."

You can still edit this talk page should you wish to, so if you have any questions (or which to ask for an unblock, which you can do by typing here) then you can do so. There is a Guide to appealing blocks should you wish to read it.

Anti-vandalism work is welcome - but you need to bear in mind the 3 criteria given at the top of WP:AIV: If you do come back, successfully appeal your block, and want to continue fighting vandalism, then you might want to read Guide to administrator intervention against vandalism.
 * 1) The edits of the user you are reporting must be considered vandalism (yours were)
 * 2) The user must be given sufficient recent warnings to stop. (yours were not)
 * 3) Unregistered users must be active now, and the warnings must be recent. (yours were not warned)

Regards, --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 17:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * To further on User:Phantomsteve's points. We have to balance vandal-fighting with recrutement.  A lot of people's first edits could be considered vandalism; they are just testing whether they really can edit and page and see that edit go live.  That's why the first-level warnings welcome users and try not to scare them away, hopefully they can become useful editors.  Blocking is only for people who have had a few warnings so that they clearly know that what they are doing is wrong.  —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 18:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)