User talk:Mrproofread

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Speedy deletion nomination of Active Internet Mail


A tag has been placed on Active Internet Mail, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

March 2014
Hello, I'm Flat Out. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Comparison of webmail providers because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Comparison of webmail providers. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Flat Out, may I ask why my additions were promotional? I do not understand. I was under the impression that the comparison page was to compare features of email services. Active Internet is another email service that isn't on your lists, so I spent an hour working out the page to add it. Now it's just been deleted. Can you please explain why? Mrproofread (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Mrproofread you dont see how? You just wrote a promotional article on the same company. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Flat Out Why was the comparison information deleted? That was not promotional - and to be honest I wrote the other page just so that there was a link. I don't care about promoting the company as I don't have anything to do with it. Why is the comparison information on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers promotional? Mrproofread Mrproofread (talk) 11:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As I said, you wrote a promotional article on the same company that was deleted as advertising. Do not post links on the same company and read conflict of interest ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Comparison of webmail providers, you may be blocked from editing. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Flat Out -I don't understand why adding features to the comparison page is promotional? Please explain and I will stop my disruptive editing. As far as I can see you have made a hasty decision to delete a page and then everything I have done - which includes important information that is very relevant to your email comparison page. As I previously pointed out, I'm not interested in advertising or writing promotional stuff. I am, however, interested in why my first attempt to add relevant information to Wikipedia has been rejected based on a flimsy argument which you will not explain. Please clarify why the information is being deleted from the comparison page. Mrproofread (talk) 12:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't delete the article, an admin did. I will explain for the third time: you wrote an article that was advertising a company, you may not add links to that same company on other articles because (a)it is promotional and (b)you have a conflict of interest. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Flat Out to be clear. I made a mistake by creating a page, even though I am not affiliated with the company my card is now marked and I can't add anything to the comparison page. Is that correct?
 * NO. You can edit other articles as long as you dont try to promote the same company. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

It's an interesting approach if so, how do you come to the conclusion that I am related to this email provider? Mrproofread (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * How kind of you to advertise a company you have no connection with. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Flat Out are you serious? It is kind of me to take time out to add information to your website -- yes! And to be honest, I'm surprised that Wikipedia representatives make the process of adding important information so difficult. The fact remains that I'm not a representative - I don't know how many times I have to say that. So why can't relevant information (that is not promotional, simply factual) be added to that page. I understand a need to block advertising and promotion, but I'm truly disappointed that Wikipedia is run in this way (so black and white and discriminatory). My card is marked and I don't care about that, I do care about the fact that this experience has put me off adding anything else to Wikipedia. Very sad indeed. Mrproofread (talk) 12:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Its easy to add content when its not an advertisement (WP:SOAP. You can either contribute meaningfully to the project or complain about how badly done by you are.(WP:NOTHERE) Its up to you. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

OK Flat Out, now we have established that I made a mistake. I want to stop complaining, but the only way I could do that is by posting the factual contributions that I originally set out to do on the email service comparison page. All I wanted to do was add to the comparison page - I do not care about making a page for the company or the service. I wish it to be only factual. May I go ahead and do that now? Mrproofread (talk) 12:38, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Active Internet Mail is not notable, only notable services should be listed in the comparison. Its not an exhaustive list, but a comparison of notable services. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Flat Out - May I ask how you define 'notable'? That sounds like a very subjective reason for rejecting information. What makes the services on the page 'notable' in comparison? I hope to be able to learn from my wasted morning Mrproofread (talk) 12:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I linked it for you, but when it comes to companies notability is here WP:CORP. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   13:30, 31 March 2014 (UTC)