User talk:Mrs P 2024

Hi, this is Joyous!. I am so sorry to have reverted your edit, but Wikipedia isn't the place for eulogies. If you can find sourced information to add to Mark Ovendale's article, feel free to add it. You might want to read this page about what is considered a reliable source. Joyous! Noise! 03:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Whilst I appreciate your comments and your dedication to being an obsessive Wikipedian since May 2004 (source - User:Joyous! - Wikipedia), I have not tried to make this a eulogy for Mark and I find the tone of your message and suggestion to be incredibly cold, offensive and short sighted. I don't necessarily agree with your comments, my use of wikipedia has mainly been to look up actors, musicians or sports stars. I can't think of many profiles whic haven't acknowledged their spouses, children and families. Granted, most of my searches are of people still alive, although the level of information I have added is usually available. I appreciate that they are more "famous" than Mark, but I didn't realise the information available was restricted in terms of their public status (albeit, they would have more sources available online, regardless of how credible it is).
 * After your response, I'm wondering if this information would have been deemed as more acceptable, had it been added prior to Mark's death? If only I had thought to post this and update it after Mark died? Sadly, this wasn't one of my first thoughts as I sat with him, his wife, best friend and children as he was dying from cancer at 36 years old. Wikipedia wasn't really a big thing back then. Can you advise me how you validate the entries confirming a "famous" person's spouse, family and accomplishments? Do they have to provide birth and marriage certificates?...(I do have my marriage certificate signed by Mark as our witness, but I would resent any request for you to see it).
 * I have sourced online content posted post Mark's death to support Evan's achievements in football (his 2nd son), however, I don't think media outlets would have given a shit about his other son's University graduation (does that make his achievements less notable?) . In addition to this, Mark was "best man" when I married his best friend, his wife was my best friend, our families came together as one at every celebration. Mark, Rhianon and the children also came on our honeymoon to Disneyland Floriday. I also visited Mark regularly in the hospice right before, he passed away and sat with his wife and best friend to help with funeral arrangements. I'm not sure how much more credible my contribution could be. Mark was unexpectedly and tragically dying of cancer at 36 years old, leaving behind his wife, children, Mum, Sister and extended family (inc his best friend and wife - me).
 * How unfortunate of me to allow my grief and pain had overshadowed my ability to document my thoughts, feelings and knowlegde in a format that you would one day expect me to provide in support of my credibility and the love and happiness that Mark would have felt at every achievement of his son's after his passing.
 * From a quick look at your contributions, your content appears to be limited to information you have taken from books, so I appreciate that your experiences are limited to life already printed in publications. Mark's life deserves to be updated with the achievements he made whilst alive and the achievements of his son's after he has died. What Jacob and Evan have achieveed after their Dad died of cancer is deserving of a front page headline. Mark died of cancer only a few months after he noticed a lump behind his knee, following an operation to remove this, the medical team found that it had already spread to his spine and no more could be done.
 * I have always been affected by Mark's death, but I myself am going through chemotherapy and am trying to complete different actions to make sure that if I leave this world too early like Mark did, I will have left behind memories and contributions to society that others will be able to reflect on and think of me. I haven't played professional sports, nor have I been a professional singer, dancer or actor. But I have done all of things on local platform. I won't have a wikipedia page, but it was important to me to make sure that Mark's said more about him than his footballing achievements.
 * I noticed that you have ave included this quote in your profile:
 * "Don't worry about making an article perfect. Just make it better."
 * Surely including the how's and why's that Mark's children, and family, have continued to his legacy in his wikipedia profile, pales into significance in comparison to the only part of his life that has been documented?...
 * What does/will your Wikipedia page say? Surely you don't believe that only the most publicly know people are the only people remarkable enough to detail parts of their lives not posted online or published in a newspaper (which is the least credible source of all times).
 * I had updated his page and saved it so that I could work out how to reference the sources. Perhaps you could make yourself useful in helping me back up my update with the sourced information I have found and tell me how I can credit myself as a credible source of information who is attempting to expand his story beyond his achievements in football. I've just completed an MSc, so I do understand the need for credible sources.
 * Thanks, I appreciate this is a long reply, but you have hit a big nerve and caused more pain and upset for me than you will hopefully never appreciate. Kind regards, Natalie Mrs P 2024 (talk) 04:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A credible source:
 * Evan Ovendale signs professional contract with Newport County - News - Newport County (newport-county.co.uk)
 * If you didn't know any better, this would also meet your credible source rules:
 * Mark Ovendale Net Worth at Death, Date, Place and Cause of Death, Family, etc - Biography (wikilogy.com)
 * It's entirely bullshit, but apparently holds more weight than me..... Mrs P 2024 (talk) 04:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * First of all, I deeply apologize that my initial response sounded cold or rude, and that I caused you pain. That was not my intention at all. The material you added was a warm and loving memorial to your friend. But Wikipedia isn't a memorial site. The ultimate problem is that it's so very difficult to write objectively about our loved ones. And it's common that people want to write about their friends and family in a way that isn't neutral. It's so common, in fact, that we have "conflict of interest" policies that strongly discourage people from editing articles that are about themselves, or people that they know. As for whether the information would have been acceptable if it was added before Mr. Ovendale's death, I would say that the timing wouldn't have made a difference. The lack of sourcing and the tone aren't appropriate for Wikipedia. It's a beautiful remembrance that just goes against some of our core policies, especially neutral editing and reliably sourced information. Joyous! Noise! 15:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)