User talk:Msnyc

I apparently have been blocked on my very first contribution to this site on Us_Foreign_Aid.

My edits were summarily removed by another contributor. His rationale for blocking me was clearly due to bias. There was a chart that showed Top 25 recipients of US Aid broken out by Total, Economic, then Military Aid. There was column as well for Aid Per Capita.

However the chart did not

a) List Aid Per Capita for West Bank/Gaza as it was stated their source did not include it. a1) Solution: found a reliable source for that population set and then used the same formulas applied to the other 24 countries for West Bank/Gaza and cited my source AND changed the source notes to indicate that those figured were pulled from a different tsouce

b) There were no columns for Aid Per Capita Ecomonic and Aid Per Capita Military. b1) Solution Since the chart itself broke those out for gross amounts AND did per capita ONLY for Total Aid, I simply used those same figures to break out Per Capita Economic and Per Capita Military since those were clearly part of the displayed data and if Aid Per Capita total was shown alone could lead to erroneous conclusions of the very data presented on the chart.

c) I summarized key characteristics of the top recipients of that data set (which itself shows 25 out of 200 countries receiving 1/2 of all US Aid).

This was summarily removed. The rationale was ambiguous and I'd say self-serving by a contributor who I feel clearly prefers the data to be perceived in a certain biased way.

1) I was told that the two columns were unnecessary additions and that anyone could discern those figures on their own. I don't believe most users let along casual ones would realize that Aid Per Capita was reflecting only Total Aid and not broken out to Economic and Military Aid which display an entirely different perspective. More over most users who did notice that omission would not necessarily know how to reverse engineer the population figures then reapply them to the economic and military figures independently let alone in way that allowed them to see each country side by side and sorted as you were able to do prior with Total Per Capita. While I might understand his rationale why he didn't add it, there is no known reason to remove it and repeatedly at that unless that data that is part and parcel of the chart itself is not wanted by a particular party.

2) I am unclear why the summary data is considered incomplete, it does not have to included every religious, ethnic and regional group, only the ones represented in the chart. More over it does not need to include total US aid since the chart itself does not and THAT would be both misleading and confusing.

3) To point 1 and 2 the biggest flag to be regarding bias is that the other contributors rationale for each point are contradictory; in the first case he is removing data I added by the rationale that there is no reason to expand on the chart data shown, that people can draw the data inferences on their own (as complicated as that would in fact be) and in the second case he is removing data with the rational that it is not complete data and people can't see the additional inferences behind the data. Which is it?

I have no pro/anti Islamic bias regarding this whereas I believe the other contributor clearly has a pro Islamic anti-Israeli bias and is trying to avoid showing any data that contradicts his position. Earlier in the talk he debates with another user that in essence 'every Israaeli gets $300 for something or other and the poor Palestinians only get $15 a piece'. When the Economic Aid per captia shows that in fact Palestinians get $177 per capita while Israeil's 'only' get $5 and I believe it is this data he objects to showing.

In any event i was not aware of the three edit rule and apologize for breaking your rules. However I made my first contribution and found another person repeatedly removing them not because the data was incorrect or unsupported but because he simply didn't feel it should be shown. That does not seem to be in the spirit of the Wikipedia I have come to know and love.
 * I can't see that you've been blocked. This} says you haven't been blocked.  [[User:Mysterytrey| Mysterytrey]  talk  22:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not blocked though you do seem to be having some kind of content dispute on United States foreign aid. Have you discussed any of this  on Talk:United States foreign aid?Shearonink (talk) 23:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi thanks, I thought i was blocked based on the first message I received. I see the original edit (added columns) remains which is good, the summary does not. I don't fully agree with the logic behind that however I will consider adding a complete summary at a later date. My plan is to break out the GDP for Economic and Military as well, again simply adding a summary column for total is misleading IMHO. And yes Shearonink I did discuss this on the talk page and as per above I found the replied to be totally agenda based i.e. the user removed the additional columns citing as 'unnecessary' data that could easily be discerned and then removed my summary citing as incomplete since users can't necessarily discern the additional data. Thanks to both for your quick replies.