User talk:Msunshine2022

March 2022
Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it.  MrOllie (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Please stop adding promotional links to Wikipedia articles. See the Wikipedia policy on external link spam. Your edits are disruptive and have been reverted. signed, Willondon (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear Willondon,
 * Thank you for the service you provide to the Wkipedia community,
 * However, your deletion of my edits is inconsistent with the information and links in, for example, the Jewish Bereavement section Bereavement in Judaism - Wikipedia.
 * First, most of the links in this article go to commercial websites run by ultra-orthodox groups that are commercial enterprises.
 * Second, the article only presents the Orthodox version of Jewish Bereavement and/or Jewish death ritual. Orthodox Jews are a minority of all Jews (including in Israel) and the information in the Wiipedia article is, frankly, offensive to most Jews.
 * I am guessing that you are not Jewish and could not know this.
 * But, if you are going to edit my cites and words, you need to take down the cites and words that go to all Chabad pages (Chabad is a business not a membership organization) and all of the ultra-orthodox information and sourcing that is not widely accepted by Jews.
 * Please let me know what you are going to do.... Msunshine2022 (talk) 15:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to look on with interest and refrain from editing this article. I reviewed the article history, which has roughly two or three non-trivial edits every month, and I see there are 131 users with the article on their watch list. It seems there's an abundance of editors wiser than I to curate the article. Cheers.  signed, Willondon (talk)  21:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Took a further look, and the edits definitely stink of spam:
 * , from Jewish Funeral Services: A Simple Guide To The Timeline of Jewish Mourning 
 * , from Sunshine Cremation Services: Eight Easy and Inexpensive Tips for Selecting the Perfect Cremation Urn
 * , from Sunshine Cremation Services: Prepaid Cremation Plans
 * , from Sunshine Cremation Services: What You Need To Know About Flying With Cremated Remains
 * Whatever information they may have brought to the articles isn't reliably sourced, in that a commercial enterprise is biased and has no other editorial oversight than the company lawyer. So I say again: Information orange.svge stop adding promotional links to Wikipedia articles. See the Wikipedia policy on external link spam.  signed, Willondon (talk)  21:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear Wilondon,
 * I appreciate the work that you do for the overall community. However, you are dead wrong about the "stink of spam" or the reliable sourcing of information on this and other topics.
 * First, where did sunshine cremation services (or Kronish Funeral Services) attempt to sell anything? And, what was unreliable about citing the TSA rules for flying?  Or providing real guidelines for selecting good urns or prepaying for your funeral/cremation?  Nothing was offered for sale.  Only reliable information was provided.
 * Second, as an example of a double standard that I don't think you know or understand, this is a link that is in Wikipedia regarding Jewish views on cremation (cited in jewish berevement). It is not only wrong (substantively wrong), the self proclaimed Rabbi who wrote this is a "for profit" Rabbi who does not have either established nor accepted (by most Jews in the world) Rabbinic training.  Here is the link OzTorah » Blog Archive » Cremation – Ask the Rabbi
 * Here is another article that is cited in Jewish Bereavement. Remembering the Lubavitcher Rebbe | News | clevelandjewishnews.com What does this have to do with Jewish Bereavement? And, what do you know about the publisher? Here is another inappropriate article that doesn't belong in Jewish Bereavement and is promotional Remembering the Lubavitcher Rebbe | News | clevelandjewishnews.com.
 * And, here is another cite (to Chabad which is a for profit enterprise that collects fees for doing funerals (among other things) but cloaks themselves in the cloth of clergy (even if the "rabbi" isn't a rabbi). The Jewish Burial - Death & Mourning (chabad.org)  I am the former President of the largest Reform synagogue in the Southeast United States and have been to hundreds of Jewish funerals.  Almost everything in this article and citation is Chabad's way of doing things but not in conformity with overall Jewish tradition.
 * Yet, you don't think that this citation has the stink of spam...And, Chabad is offering their funeral services (for a fee). Sunshine Cremation did not offer anything to anyone in connection with "What you need to know about flying with cremated remains."
 * I want to suggest to you that maybe subject matter expertise should be a prerequisite to editing. And, I am pretty sure you have no clue what you are editing or why.
 * So, I ask, please know something about the topics before you edit. You will do a much better job.   Msunshine2022 (talk) 15:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if we accept your premise that there is a problem with the content and sourcing of the article, adding links to a small business's website that contains stuff like "You can see a broad selection of cremation urns that cost less than $100 on eBay, Amazon, or https://shop.staging.sunshinecremation.com/. " is not the solution. The presence of problematic sourcing is a reason to fix that sourcing, not to add more problems. And in any case, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. MrOllie (talk) 15:35, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * P ages on a commercial website that do not explicitly solicit nevertheless serve to draw attention to the products and services offered; they are certainly written with sales in mind and, again, have no editorial oversight other than the company lawyer. "What was unreliable about citing the TSA rules for flying?" Without a specific diff, I couldn't track down what you were referring to exactly. I didn't find an instance where the TSA was cited directly, so I assume you mean a case where, indirectly, the page at a commercial website referred to it. If the TSA has relevant information, use them as a source in the article. I did, however, find one edit of yours which pointed to a page from "Sunshine Donation Services" titled "Put Yourself On The List To Help Cure Brain Disease". You may have tremendous experience in and knowledge of the subject matter, but you are certainly not using it in a way that improves Wikipedia.
 * True, I know little about Jewish funerals beyond the eulogy of Jerome Cunningham, but that doesn't disqualify me from recognizing a conflict of interest. I am also aware enough to know that information regarding Jewish funeral rites must be copious and abundantly available in non-commercial, scholarly sources. We appreciate any efforts to find and add them.
 * "I want to suggest to you that maybe subject matter expertise should be a prerequisite to editing." (This is not policy.) I want to suggest that being free of a conflict of interest is a prerequisite to editing. (This is policy.) "And, I am pretty sure you have no clue what you are editing or why." And I'm pretty sure you do have a clue what you are editing and why. Cheers.  signed, Willondon (talk)  16:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)