User talk:Mtaylor848/Archive 2012

English
I noticed that in the articles about Serge Gainsbourg and Je t'aime moi non plus (film) you made some changes based on varieties of English. Please see Manual_of_Style that you should not do this. Also, you changed "'I Love You, I Don't" to "'I Love You, Me Neither". Although that would be the better translation, this is wrong, because the title most used is the first, and that is what counts. In short, I have summarily undone your edits in these two articles, and recommend you to consider more carefully next time what and why you are changing in articles which are already well-established. Debresser (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Given the article is of a European nature, surely a European form of English would be more appropriate. Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * fixed Mtaylor848 (talk) 13:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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So young and such long archive history ...
Yeh, pretty casual visit, here.

In your self-intro, I noted the disjunction (+-) in "New Labour voter who continues to do so"; "continues to vote with the party" something like that; you said "voter" but not "vote" so can't "continue" ... voting; "continues to be" I guess maybe'd be the most concise (if it works in the larger context). IMHO. Didn't want to edit there, of course.

I came via your My Lai ... work. ... Wow. You weren't even close to born. (Weren't even old enough to watch Four hours when it came out, prob.) As I remember it, I was in a first or second year (but "300-" level) university politics course when the ("massacre") story broke (FOUR!) years after the event. (Only just really apprec'd that time-gap these last couple of days.) Just for perspective you'd maybe be interested in the bit I dug up just before you did your edit. Stark. I came to it via Barry Zorthian, whose article I started from his obits; never'd heard his name ... but the Follies. Phoo. So INCREDibly wrenching, still, all this, for my gen. at least, me at least. So: I wrote a paper on the "relative coverage by the major [US] newsweeklies" of My Lai (of "the massacre"; that four-years-on characterization; the correct characterization, I guess; though so hard to second guess as decades accum. (it was the "War and I" piece (see Dana Stone) which really got me go...ing, y'day); I have to ask, now, Have you read Dispatches? it will always be my touchstone) for my Pol302PublicOpinion&something+- course. Phoo. For Edward Tufte, maybe the most "famous" (later) ... prof. I ever had. ("Unknown" but d/wryly good ass't prof., then, I'd say.) (And, well, there was Tony Smith, as a "visiting" .... Mm.) (But I digress ..., yes I do. ... And name-drop ..., yes I do.)

Oh, yeh. I was glad (in the 'misery loves company' sense) to see the "disambig" notices on this page when I arrived. I've had a rash of them, have maybe, thanks to their patient bot-ness, gotten a handle on it. Learned how to use the auto-fix, just the last. Nice. Though it'd be even nicer if they flagged them when one "Show preview"s an edit, eh?

Well, cheers for now. I'll check back on Four hours .... Swliv (talk) 18:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't know how the duplication of my entry here happened but I've removed the second copy. It looks to have been long and "adventurous" enough the once. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 00:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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GA review started

 * If you are going to nominate unfinished articles at GAN and then disappear, I would suggest you at least inform the editor(s) who have done most work on the article, which would have only been common courtesy. J3Mrs (talk) 14:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware I had disappeared. Mtaylor848 (talk) 11:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Tetley's article(s)
I am somewhat perplexed about the merger of the Brewery and Bitter page. Sometime ago I split the articles as they were about ingerently different concepts. I would like to see them split again and wish to persue this. You have stated that you wish to see a standalone article for the brand which I agree with. I can find no evidence of a discussion regarding the merger. Do you know anything r.e. this? Mtaylor848 (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussion was brief - it took place mainly here. There had been an awkward split which resulted in some loss of history and duplication of material so we had two articles on the same brewery, with one called Tetley's Brewery and one called Tetley's Bitter, there was also one called Carlsberg UK brewery, but that had been sorted out. User Farrtj, who has already done some very good work on brewery articles, asked for some assistance in sorting out the situation. What we have done is restore the Tetley's Brewery article, redirecting Tetley's Bitter to that article until enough material has been built up on the brand to split it out per WP:Summary style into a standalone article, using the Tetley's Bitter title. I've had a look at the history which is held in the server, and I don't think it would be worth doing a history merge, as the history contains no new material, mainly a copy of the material that already exists with appropriate attribution in the history of Tetley's Brewery. Farrtj appears to be doing more of his excellent work on the Tetley's Brewery article, though I'm sure would welcome some assistance on researching and building up material on the brand within that article ready for splitting it out as appropriate. I hope this answers your question - if not, let me know and I'll expand.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  14:51, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed improvements with the page as with many other similar pages. I would still seek a split if we are to develop this article further, something I am keen to assist with (I have reference book at home regarding the Brewery). Fundamentally they are separate concepts and the brand now has no connection with the premises (other than the obvious historical one). Cheers, Mtaylor848 (talk) 15:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Inappropriate English variety changes
I see from your user page that you "do not understand American English and don't bloody well want to". Nonetheless, you need to accept the fact that all national varieties of English, including those that you deem "awful", are used at Wikipedia. In some instances, you've corrected articles about British topics and other articles written primarily in British English. That's fine, of course. But in other instances, you've arbitrarily replaced North American English with British English for no apparent reason other than personal preference. You've also mislabeled your revisions "minor" (and I see that both of these issues were brought to your attention). Please cease this problematic behavior. Thank you. —David Levy 21:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please stop dictating to me, what I should be doing simply because you regard it as 'problematic'. If you go and take a look at where I have done it, it is all on subjects where the correct form of English is more appropriate, i.e. British/European/Australasian based articles, or articles with strong links to such.  With regards to your course request, I shall continue to do so where I see fit.  Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The community regards it as problematic (hence the guideline to which I linked). And I'm sure that you regard it as problematic (as do I) when someone goes around replacing British English with North American English arbitrarily.
 * This is an example of such a change. (The topic has close ties to the UK, so the article should be written in British English.)
 * This is the edit that brought me here. On what basis do you assert that an article about an event that occurred in mainland China inherently should be written in British English?  And even if that's the case, why would it justify a switch from Oxford spelling to Cambridge spelling?
 * Regardless, you've previously been informed that such changes aren't uncontroversial and shouldn't be labeled "minor" (let alone without the use of an edit summary). —David Levy 20:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the edit that brought me here. On what basis do you assert that an article about an event that occurred in mainland China inherently should be written in British English?  And even if that's the case, why would it justify a switch from Oxford spelling to Cambridge spelling?
 * Regardless, you've previously been informed that such changes aren't uncontroversial and shouldn't be labeled "minor" (let alone without the use of an edit summary). —David Levy 20:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I see that you ignored the above message and performed another arbitrary English variety replacement (this time in an article about a German topic), again mislabeled "minor" (which you know is intended for uncontroversial edits) and without a summary.
 * Please be advised that I'm monitoring your edits and will revert all inappropriate changes from one English variety to another. If you persist, I'll have no choice but to raise the issue in a community forum.  Thank you.  —David Levy 17:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * To my mind a spelling correction is minor and uncontroversial, more over International-English is more appropriate than American-English in a German based article. I would also appreciate you desisting telling me what I 'know' and speaking on behalf of the community.  First of all, I am disagreeing with your turse and incorerct assertions.  Secondly you are speaking on behalf of yourself and not the community, your own opinion, in-particularly over grey-areas is by no means consensus of the 'community'.  If you wish to 'monitor' my edits, feel free, they are no state-secret, in fact they are publically available information.. If you wish to waste your time doing this, I have no desire to hinder you.  In the meantime your unhelpful and pedantic presence is becoming somewhat irritating. Mtaylor848 (talk) 22:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Those weren't spelling corrections. "Flavor" and "flavoring" are the correct spellings in American English, the variety in which the article was written.
 * As documented at Manual of Style, changes from one English variety to another tend to be controversial. Even when a valid reason exists (in your opinion), it's important to explain your rationale.  This was brought to your attention in September 2010.
 * International English is a distinct concept. Your preferred variety typically is referred to as British English or Commonwealth English (though neither designation is perfect, as the former can be too specific and the latter can be too general).
 * Whatever you wish to call it, your belief that it's "more appropriate than American English in a German based article" is inconsistent with the aforementioned Manual of Style, in which it's plainly stated that such a consideration is applicable when "a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation". Germany isn't an English-speaking nation, and we assign no preference to the variety of English used in the English-speaking nations that happen to be geographically proximate.
 * Of course, if a topic has strong ties to multiple countries, some of which are English-speaking, the article should be written in a variety used in one or more of those countries. (The example cited in the Manual of Style is Institutions of the European Union, which should be written in either British English or Irish English.)
 * These rules weren't established arbitrarily or unilaterally; they reflect consensus stemming from an enormous amount of discussion. You're welcome to propose that the rules be changed, of course.
 * But you do know that the "minor" label is intended for uncontroversial edits. This, too, was brought to your attention in September 2010, and I reminded you above.
 * I don't claim to possess any special authority on these matters. I'm citing our policies and guidelines, as others contacting you have done.  If you were replacing British English with American English, my reaction would be the same.  —David Levy 18:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * But you do know that the "minor" label is intended for uncontroversial edits. This, too, was brought to your attention in September 2010, and I reminded you above.
 * I don't claim to possess any special authority on these matters. I'm citing our policies and guidelines, as others contacting you have done.  If you were replacing British English with American English, my reaction would be the same.  —David Levy 18:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't claim to possess any special authority on these matters. I'm citing our policies and guidelines, as others contacting you have done.  If you were replacing British English with American English, my reaction would be the same.  —David Levy 18:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't claim to possess any special authority on these matters. I'm citing our policies and guidelines, as others contacting you have done.  If you were replacing British English with American English, my reaction would be the same.  —David Levy 18:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Keighley-Kendal Turnpike 1753-1877
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A barnstar for you!
Hi, there are a few issues with the text.

1. Much of it such of the 'Mission Statement' is something I would regard to be of internal interest only, to be subjective and to lack academic notability. Certainly it falls short of what is required for an encyclopaedia.

2. Much of it seemed to heap praise on the institution, in a way that I would regard as promotional rather than objective. While I have no objection to third-party praise, it should be in balance with criticism and both should be supported by reliable and independent citations.

3. Much of the text read badly, the format was not suitable for Wikipedia (again, something I would expect from a prospectus than an encyclopaedia.

4. The text seems to have been written by the institution itself, which is fundamentally a conflict of interest.

These problems are certainly not uncommon on pages about schools. I would hate to discourage you from contributing and am happy to assist in building the article. There are many ways the school could help us to build a comprehensive article, such as by providing us with photographs to use via commons or, by bringing inside knowledge and facts to the table to be used when building the article or by translating the current article into other languages.

I hope this answers your question and I am happy to help further. Mtaylor848 (talk) 21:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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