User talk:Mtrautma

Intelliware
We really need multiple nontrivial verifiable, reliable sources that establish the notability of the company according to Wikipedia's criteria for organizations and companies. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Problems with your sources

 * 1) http://www.agile2008.org/sponsors.html -- Anyone being sponsored feels an obligation to espouse their donors, so this is a conflict of interest, and not really an impartial source.
 * 2) http://i-proving.ca/space/i-Proving -- This site is owned by Intelliware. We need 3rd party sources first to establish notability; thereafter we can use primary sources to add content.
 * 3) http://www.xptoronto.com/about.jsp -- another site own and maintained by Intelliware.
 * 4) http://www.springerlink.com/content/l565236839872717/ -- This references a book written by someone who works for Intelliware. This catalog listing doesn't establish the company as notable.
 * 5) http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/26302/http:zSzzSzwww.xp2002.orgzSzattizSzFarell-Kapitan--TowardsanEffectiveOnsiteCustomerPractice.pdf/farell02towards.pdf -- Again, simply writing something does not in itself imply any sort of notability.
 * 6) http://i-proving.ca/download/Articles+and+White+Papers/shaw_paper_agile2007.pdf -- Hosted by, and written by an employee of, Intelliware.
 * 7) http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/2007/pdf/TS-7354.pdf -- This looks like something Intelliware prepared for a developers' seminar about a product (Tapestry) made by someone else (CGI Group). Again, nothing to establish actual notability.
 * 8) http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1297846.1297857&coll=&dl=&type=series&idx=SERIES318&part=series&WantType=Proceedings&title=OOPSLA -- A paper written by someone who works for Intelliware.

Looking for any occurrences in news articles, I found only one through Google News.

Notability_(organizations_and_companies) states, "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject.  The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered.  If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability.  Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.  The source's audience must also be considered; evidence of attention by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability, whereas attention solely by local media is not an indication of notability." (Underlining mine.)

This means that the subject of the article must be the subject or one of the few main subjects of the sources you cite. Nothing from those sources indicates to me exactly how Intelliware fits our criteria. There are many companies, software, people, etc., who may in fact have a notable influence in their respective areas, but Wikipedia is a tertiary source only, supported by primary and secondary sources. Secondary sourcing establishes notability; primary sources inform the subject matter. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)