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roger clemens
clemens played 24 seasons in the major leagues.He was found not guilty in a court of law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This must be emphasized over steriod accusations.The governments main witness rebuffed himself in court.He was renowned for being a power pitcher with control. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.228.129 (talk) 23:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Found reference for velocity, it isn't up to opinions anymore. a revert is in bad faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.228.129 (talk) 02:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Seth Maness
Exact type of player I have no idea why you create re-directs for.--Yankees10 19:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How did I know exactly who was messaging me and why when I saw that yellow bar? This time you're probably right. He should have his own article. He meets GNG. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

How does Hector Correa not fit the non-notable minor leaguer? Other than being on the 40 man (which he isn't anymore) I don't see anything notable about him.--Yankees10 23:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see the difference between Correa and Albert Suarez (a PROD you endorsed). But looking at the edit history I guess its pretty clear why...--Yankees10 23:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I resent that accusation. I didn't remember that I created the redirect. Correa at this point is not notable in my eyes, but I'm following consensus, and Articles for deletion/Albert Suarez reaffirmed that consensus is to merge active players. I'll endorse your Miguel De Los Santos PROD, since he's been released, whether or not I created it. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why one AFD equals consensus but alright whatever.--Yankees10 23:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been more than one AFD. It's one recent AFD, but a whole long line of AFD's in the past. I figured we'd give it a shot with Suarez, but consensus appears to still be where it is. If you want to try it again, I can't stop you from unmerging and taking it to AFD. I'll even vote delete. But I imagine it'll close as merge. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:29, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Canada–Iran relations at ITN
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Clint Eastwood
Hi Muboshgu. I saw your most recent edits. Finally, someone opened their eyes and saw the problems with the cites that I repeatedly mentioned in my edit comments and on Cresix's talk page. :) In terms of "wide coverage", that is an objective fact, not subjective or POV. Have you read Clint Eastwood at the 2012 Republican National Convention? Here are a few quotes from that article, which of course are fully supported by the sources and the facts: Clearly, that article and the sources absolutely verify that the speech received wide media coverage. It's a fact, not an opinion. Would anyone who's familiar with the speech say that it did not receive wide media coverage? Of course not. The problem with the wording in Clint Eastwood, as it stands now, is that it gives no indication whatsoever how "big"/prominent the speech was in the media (newspapers, television, online, etc). It is the most famous speech Eastwood has ever given, and will certainly be the one he's most remembered for. Yet reading the article gives no indication of that at all. It needs to do that to accurately reflect what happened. In any case, thank you for being the first editor to recognize the problems with the cites that I had alluded to many times. When someone deletes an entire edit, including all the good parts, it indicates that it's personal rather than to help improve the project. Thanks. --76.189.97.91 (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * "The speech, broadcast in a prime time slot, was viewed live by about 30 million Americans. It met with a wide array of responses and stirred discussion."
 * "Eastwood's speech was viewed live by 30.3 million Americans, across at least 11 television networks which were broadcasting coverage of the convention. (Those numbers do not count those watching on C-SPAN, whose audience is not measured.)"

300 win club FLC
I've dropped a few comments about minor issues. Overall, you've done a great job in improving the list and getting it to where it is now.

Could you return the favor and review the FLC I nominated. It's just one review away from getting promoted. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. Maybe not today, but probably by tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Activist inappropriate editing at Clint Eastwood talk page
This is to make you aware that User:Activist copy and pasted my and Cresix's comments from Cresix's talk page and his own talk page into the Clint Eastwood talk page, as if Cresix and I posted them there ourselves. Here's the edit. I couldn't believe it when I saw it because I knew I hadn't posted those comments there. Activist did not have my permission to do that, and I assume he did not have Cresix's permission either. I removed Cresix's and my comments from the Eastwood talk page. Activist also copy and pasted his own comment from Cresix's talk page, including the original date/time posted. I'm not sure what can be done about this, but I'll leave it up to you and Cresix to decide. I don't know Activist, but I told him in my edit comment never to do that again. I do agree that the empty chair speech content needs to be expanded a bit in the Eastwood article, but what Activist did is ridiculously inappropriate. I'm writing you about this since you are the one who started the Eastwood talk page thread. I also wrote Cresix about this. --76.189.97.91 (talk) 20:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Favor
Hey. I've expanded Allie Clark over the weekend, and realized that it's eligible for DYK. I have absolutely no idea how to navigate anything there anymore, so would you be able to nom it and find a decent fact in the article? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Can do. It's not that hard a process, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hey, I just wanted to give you a heads up that in the coming days and weeks I will attempt to work on Pat Gillick and Jim Thome. I'll be away this weekend, so if they're not done by Friday, I'll resume by Monday. Thanks for your work on this project. Go Phightins! (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, take your time. Thanks for picking up a couple of these articles. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, as you can probably guess by my username, I like the Phillies and these are two of my favorites. I'll try to keep a neutral POV, though. Thanks for the invite to the task force. I will join. Go Phightins! (talk) 02:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Do what you know and what interests you. That's why I do lots of Yankees articles. (BTW remember the 2009 World Series? That was awesome :P ). – Muboshgu (talk) 21:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there any way the DGA icon template can be implemented to the Mountain page? Also, I don't see a way to add a DGA to the Hall Project page (probably requires higher level of user rights). I'm speaking of the Roberto Clemente article, for example. It might be a good idea to implement such on the Mountain page, especially since former GAs typically require less work than C- or B-rated articles. Zepppep (talk) 18:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We can play around with Baseball Mountain to find the best way to integrate it. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. As for DGA's, they're listed at WikiProject Baseball/Hall of Fame task force/Recognized content (Clemente's will update the next time the bot runs). – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ryan Westmoreland
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Happy Wheels
I was about to promote this to a prep area but I noticed your approval note said "I would suggest using ALT1 after a slight rewrite for clarity", which to me means that you have a problem with ALT1 as it is, but still think it superior to the others.

Approved hooks are currently at a premium: there are 15 to fill 9 slots, and a lot of them deserve consideration as lead slots which means they're less likely to be chosen: Happy Wheels is a prime target. Please consider making that rewrite yourself; I've just failed at my own attempt, so I'll hold off promoting it for now, but I think you're more likely to end up with one of the other hooks (or, worse, an unedited ALT1). BlueMoonset (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. It just occurred to me when I read ALT1 that something was slightly off in the wording, but I didn't have any specific thoughts. Given the lack of approved hooks, I'll give it a try. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:24, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like it got grabbed shortly after you did so. Thank! BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Clearly there is a lack of approved hooks right now. I owe a couple more QPQ's on nominations I've made, so I'll perform them by tomorrow to help out. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Christian Garcia
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DYK for Steven Rodriguez
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Extra QPQ?
Muboshgu, I was going through the list of DYK nominees, looking for missing QPQs, and I think you oversupplied for Joe Molloy. It's a double-hook nom, but you supplied both a single review (Happy Wheels) and a triple-hook review. The triple was more than sufficient. Feel free to remove Happy Wheels from that one and use it elsewhere. (Not that we couldn't use more reviews, mind you, but I didn't want you to waste one unless you really wanted to.) BlueMoonset (talk) 07:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I just saw where you used up the other two from the triple, so Joe would have been the one left from the triple plus the Happy. Looks like it's all even. Sorry to bother you! BlueMoonset (talk) 07:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Eyes
Hey. If you have time, would you be able to do a prose review at Featured article candidates/Stan Coveleski/archive1? My usual group of reviewers on my articles is either on wikibreak (Sarastro) or on quasi-break (Giants), so look slike I'll have to scope out reviewers myself this time. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:59, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'm usually hesitant to get involved in FAC reviewing (I'm 1-for-5 in my nominations so far), but I certainly think I owe you some QPQ for all the articles of mine you've reviewed. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Rollbacked edit
Did I screw up? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh shit. I screwed up, or my browser did. I had no intention of clicking that. Sorry about that! – Muboshgu (talk) 19:33, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

re GAN Roger Peckinpaugh
Hi,

I've reviewed your nomination and left a few comments at Talk:Roger Peckinpaugh/GA1. A very nice little article.

Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 20:20, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Golden Fleece Award
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DYK for Allie Clark
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Paul DePodesta photo
Hi Muboshgu, I figured I should let you know that the does not include Paul DePodesta – this is what he actually looks like. I re-captioned the photo on Billy Beane's page, and removed it from DePodesta's, because it isn't really relevant anymore. I totally understand the mistake - I've done the same exact thing when a Flickr uploader mislabled their photo. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I removed it for no reason. Thanks. Delaywaves &bull;&#32; talk  18:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops, my bad. Thanks for letting me know. I hate when people mislabel photos, but I didn't take the due diligence to double check that it was DePodesta. I have no idea who that is now. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Van Lingle Mungo (song)
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DYK for Ntema Ndungidi
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Golden Spikes Award FLC
I've just finished responding to your last comment on the FLC that remained unaddressed. Could you have a look at it again please? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I just noticed it come up on my watchlist. I'll be in to check on it soon. If I don't in the next 24 hours, please ping me again. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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Golden Spikes Award FLC II
Re-pinged as per request. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:31, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for striking out the resolved comments. Could I also trouble you to give a response to the reply I gave to your third point (i.e. the last unresolved comment)?  I'm currently unsure of whether to keep the Fanster source or replace it with the other source that is more vague. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure on it as well, which is why I haven't commented on it yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Caleb Joseph
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DYK for Corban Joseph
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DYK for Golden Fleece Award
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FYI
It's always been my thing to work on stub articles of retired ballplayers. Seeing the recent conversation on the baseball project talk page, I decided to work on Alex Johnson's page. I looked at your list, and I'm thinking George Foster may be next.--71.54.241.128 (talk) 16:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC) --J.S.
 * I've had Johnson on my list of articles to expand as well, so I'll happily help out with it and hopefully we can get it to DYK by making it a 5x expansion in 5 days time. Foster's is another good article to improve. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to boast, but I think I've already brought Kurt Bevacqua, Nelson Briles and Ken Clay to DYK levels.--71.54.241.128 (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC) --J.S.
 * Size-wise, Bevacqua and Clay yes, Briles was 4x. They're all good expansions. The next time you have one that you expand 5x within 5 days (or 2x if it's an unsourced BLP), let me know and I can nominate it (IPs can't create the nomination template). – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't really log in these days unless I'm creating an article, but if you'd like to throw either into the mix, be my guest. It's amazing how poor Alex Johnson's article was before we started working on it. There is so much information out there about his situation in California, and it was barely touched upon in his article.--71.54.241.128 (talk) 10:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC) --J.S.

DYK for Joe Molloy
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DYK for Robert Nederlander
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DYK for Kelly Heath
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Edit warring doesn't apply to reverting vandalism
Just FYI -- Kendrick7talk 03:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not reverting vandalism. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Alex Johnson
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2013 in baseball
I just created this page. I'm not really good with content expansion, so I figured I'd make you aware of it in case you might be interested in trying to get a DYK out of it. AutomaticStrikeout 22:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Chico Ruiz
I thought you might be interested. Chico Ruiz--71.54.246.253 (talk) 12:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC) --J.S.

DYK for Jim Bottomley
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Golden Spikes Award FLC III
Sorry, but I'm not too certain which source is the one you think leaves us unsure. What do you think should be removed? One of the two sources or the entire statement itself. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to rush you, but I urgently need a response on the FLC page ASAP. It's now become the oldest FLC candidate around (about a month and a half) and I would like it to be passed soon. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
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DYK for Terry Francois
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Dick Howser Trophy potential FLC
Since both of us have worked on this list fairly equally (you with the refs, me with the lead), would you like me to co-nominate this with you? I understand that you currently have two FLCs running, but I have none at the moment. So we could potentially get this passed in time for you to count this towards the WikiCup. The only things needed to be fixed are some of the citation formats; if you could fix those (and maybe find a source for the second last sentence of the lead), I could start the nomination. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I can work on that asap. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now that all the refs have been fixed, I have just nominated the list as an FLC and have listed you as co-nom.  Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:24, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! – Muboshgu (talk) 20:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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Record tables
If I am correct, WikiProject Baseball consensus is against having statistics tables in articles, such as the one found in Clint Hurdle. Am I right? AutomaticStrikeout 01:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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DYK nomination of Mark Takano
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DYK for José Paniagua
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DYK nomination of Val Demings
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DYK for Herb Pennock
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DYK for Frank Chance
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George Foster
I've been accused of having ownership issues in the past. Admittedly, when I'm working on an article, I really don't like other people messing with it until I'm done. You, however, seem to be someone I can work with. I'm currently working on Foster's article. I'm probably going to Ken Henderson's next.--71.54.247.55 (talk) 12:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC) --J.S.
 * Well, it's important to not own an article. You can put the under construction template at the top of a page you're working on to let others know that you're undertaking an overhaul. Usually people will respect that. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:44, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Usually, when I'm working on an article and I really don't want people to F with it while I'm working on it, I just write "Still working on it" in the comments box. That's usually respected also. I have the feeling Yasnkees10 will do his thing with the infobox when I'm done. Whatever.--71.54.247.55 (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC) --J.S.


 * Well, my work on Foster is done. Is it up to DYK standards?--71.54.247.55 (talk) 16:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC) --J.S.
 * Yes it is, as a 2x expansion of an unsourced BLP. The only issue I can see is there's a few unsourced paragraphs, which can be remedied. I'm about to nominate it. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Suggestion: Did you know that the Cincinnati Reds' George Foster was the only Major League Baseball player to club fifty home runs in a single season between 1965 and 1990? (52 in 1977)
 * Could be a good one, except that the 1990 bit isn't at all mentioned in the article. We'd need to add it. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Portal:NFL and GA question
Hi, Muboshgu. I have a couple of questions for you.

1) When linking an article to Portal:National Football League, I see the icon. However, when I link it to the redirect Portal:NFL, instead I get the generic puzzle piece instead of the NFL icon. Why is that and how could it be remedied?

2) If I was try getting an umpire article or article(s) to GA status, how long do you think the articles would be expected to be? After all, umpires don't get nearly as much coverage as players, so there isn't nearly as much to write about in many cases. You have plenty of GA experience, do you know what the expectations would be regarding umpire pages?

Thanks, AutomaticStrikeout 17:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The puzzle piece means the template doesn't recognize the inputted parameters. I suppose you could put in an edit request at Portal to change that. As for umpires, I would expect that like any other article, the page would need to be comprehensive. That's hard to define, but there can't be any major gaps in their bio. Obviously there would be less about specific seasons to cover. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. If you'd like, could you please take a quick look at Joe West (umpire), and tell me how close you think it might be to GA status. AutomaticStrikeout 17:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Overall, I think it's close. It's certainly long enough and seems fairly comprehensive. Without diving into it too deeply, I believe the lead could use some expansion, the body could use some more inline citations, and some general cleanup and rephrasings would help (I don't know if a reviewer would be okay with a phrase like "sparked controversy", the abbreviation NAIA should be spelled out, the references need to be filled in, and the picture should be moved up so it's out of the reference section, for starters) – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I hope to be able see it nominated at some point this week. AutomaticStrikeout 18:00, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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If I remember correctly, when I helped start up the umps task force this past summer, you created a page for the feature content and transcluded it onto the subproject page. Well, there's a new NFL refs subproject I'm helping get underway right now, and I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same thing for this one. Regards, AutomaticStrikeout 03:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * I'm assuming by main category, you mean the equivalent of what was for the umpires task force? In that case, it would be . However, I did not realize you would need the category. I will have to go and add it to the appropriate articles for you. AutomaticStrikeout 17:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It needs either a main category that everything feeds into or the template parameter. But it doesn't seem that this task force is yet in WikiProject National Football League. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. Last night, I made an edit request regarding the template, but so far more work has been done category-wise. I'll ping you when I think I'm done, or at least have enough done. AutomaticStrikeout 18:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A quick question, how does one go about creating a recognized content page? Is it done by bot? AutomaticStrikeout 00:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * User:JL-Bot handles the recognized content pages. The instructions for how to set it up are at User:JL-Bot/Project content. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In that case, I may be able to take care of it myself. As an aside, I have been considering creating a list of men who served as a head coach at both the NFL and college levels and I was wondering if you think that would be notable. AutomaticStrikeout 01:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI some GA Review notes for you
Please see Talk:Finger_(gesture). has left some notes for you, before I've started the actual GA Review. It'd be helpful if you could respond there, and then address those suggestions. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep me posted on progress on this. I'd like to do the GA Review within a few days or less. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's ready for a full review. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Dave Bancroft/GA1
Hello, I have reviewed this article, and I regret to inform you that I have failed the nomination on the basis that Baseball Mountain cannot be allowed to surpass Hockey Mountain. On a more serious note, I have actually placed it on hold, pending resolution of a few prose concerns I have. You can find them at the GA subpage above. Cheers! Resolute 02:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha! I gotta keep you motivated to work on Hockey Mountain articles, don't I? I'll try to give Bancroft a look today. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Alan Phillips (baseball)
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Re: Freddie Lindstrom. Since I have had no luck getting PM800 to answer my post questioning the two paragraphs and eight footnotes he added to Freddie Lindstrom, I turn to you again because you're the one who deleted my previous additions to his version. In an earlier note PM800 told me all his footnotes were reliable, and if I had questions to go to them. So I did. Here are the results: Footnote 30, correct. 31 (Richard Barbieri, Hardball Times) makes no mention of Lindstrom. 32 and 33 (Jay Jaffe, Baseball Prospectus)in e-mail Aug 24,2012 agrees that his charge of "croneyism" by the Veterans Committee's so-called ringleader Frank Frisch highly unlikely since Frisch died 3 years before Lindstrom's nomination. Jaffe also said he had no evidence to support the claim. 34, correct, but a blanket accusation of the committee's choices in general, not of croneyism toward former Giants and Cardinals. 35, unable to verify because of restricted access. 36 (Clark Booth, Dorchester Times) in e-mail Oct 5, 2012 says "I don't actually have any issue with Freddie being in the HOF," he said. "Mainly I argue for more people to be elected, not fewer. I think Freddie was a good choice." 37, James has all the right in the world to his opinion that Lindstrom is the worst third baseman in the Hall. But others such as Hall of Fame sportswriter Red Smith, Bob Broeg and Fred Lieb called him a worthy choice (attribution available, if you're interested). All I ask is that the unsubstantiated "croney" charge be deleted and that we add Dan Popoloski's 11/11/2011 Bleacher Report ranking Lindstrom 13th in a list of the 15 best 3d basemen in MLB history. Wouldn't that be fair comment and not a violation of WP:NPOV? Thanks for your help. 74.248.63.124 (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC) 74.248.47.55.

GA on hold.
GA on Hold, please see Talk:Finger (gesture)/GA1. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to let me know once you've addressed these issues, shouldn't take too long. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George Foster (baseball)
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Prop 32 California
Proposition 32 is a controversial ballot measure in California. It is best left as neutral as possible. What was posted, though cited, was clearly promoting one agenda over the other and therefore not accurately reporting the proposition which has both pros and cons. Unless you want a war of words, which will make the article unwieldy, I suggest a simple, neutral summary be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahavtiyah (talk • contribs) 20:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at it closer, I can see that there is some bias in there. However, I don't think the answer is to delete all of it. Some of it can stay, as the WSJ piece balances the pro side, if some of the con stuff is trimmed. I'll try to do that soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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Saw your request on the WP Baseball talk page and decided this would be a good time to review a GAC for the first time. I've placed this on hold for now. Just a few minor issues with prose. Once those are addressed, I'll be more than happy to pass it. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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Covey
Finally got to addressing everything at the FAC. Now back to watching Derek Lowe and the Yankees :P Wizardman  02:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. I'll check back in on it tomorrow or Monday. For now, I'm just waiting for Ibañez‎ to come back up to bat. Holy shit man. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:58, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As a Tigers fan, I've had (more than) my fill of Valverde. However, I just spent about five minutes trying to undo the actions of some other like-minded observers. Of course, this has all culminated in both the Ibanez and Valverde pages being protected. AutomaticStrikeout 04:38, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ditto on the Valverde page. It wouldn't be the postseason unless there was a little V to clean up. Zepppep (talk) 04:58, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I put in the RPP request on Ibanez right after you did on Valverde. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:02, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed Zepppep. Even though the Tigers won, I guess that somewhere, someone will still think that Valverde's terrible performance somehow makes him deserving of a comparison with Hitler. Muboshgu, I don't think either of us would be surprised if we are putting in more RPP requests in the near future. An aside: Can anyone imagine what Bill Buckner's page would have been like if Wikipedia had existed in 1986? AutomaticStrikeout 05:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to bed now, you and/or your talk page stalkers may wish to keep an eye on Russell Martin, it appears there was a significant amount of unhelpful editing going on there. AutomaticStrikeout 05:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Everything should be fixed now. Ideally once your concerns are addressed it can be promoted, unless there's something all the reviewers missed; hopefully there isn't. Wizardman  16:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#Lou_Gehrig:_Pride_of_the_Yankees
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Article idea
If you're looking for a redlink to clean up, I found one that might interest you in Spud Murray. Don't have time to do it myself but he's a Yankee so thought you'd be up for it. . Wizardman 16:47, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
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Re: Freddie Lindstrom
I sent you a message on October 12 regarding edit deletions to Freddie Lindstrom. Just checking to see if you got the msg and whether you can answer my questions. Thanks 184.44.10.250 (talk) 14:56, 25 October 2012 (UTC).
 * I missed it. The charges of cronyism against the Veterans Committee are valid, and are included on the wiki pages of HOFers George Kelly (baseball), Burleigh Grimes, Dave Bancroft, and others. I am completely opposed to adding any references to Bleacher Report, because it is a blog and not a reliable source. Any reliable sources you can find that speak of Lindstrom can be added to counterbalance existing information. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Freddie Lindstrom (again)
How can the croneyism charge in Lindstrom's case be true if Frisch died in 1973 and Lindstrom was inducted in 1976? This claim apparently goes back to Bill James more than 30 years ago with no attribution or evidence except his own opinion. He lumps Lindstrom in with earlier Giant and Cardinal players inducted during Frisch's tenure. The HOF Veterans Committee under Frisch also added players from the Phillies, Indians, Cubs, Boston Braves and Red Sox who are not counted among the croneys. Footnote 31 (Hardball Times, Richard Barbieri) does not mention Lindstrom. Footnotes 32 and 33 (Jay Jaffe, Baseball Prospectus)agrees he has no evidence of Frisch's involvement. Footnote 36 (Clark Booth Dorchester Times) says he wants more players elected, not fewer, and that Lindstrom was a good choice. How much does it take to right an obvious wrong? 74.248.35.47 (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Freddie Lindstrom (again)
How can the croneyism charge in Lindstrom's case be true if Frisch died in 1973 and Lindstrom was inducted in 1976? This claim apparently goes back to Bill James more than 30 years ago with no attribution or evidence except his own opinion. He lumps Lindstrom in with earlier Giant and Cardinal players inducted during Frisch's tenure. The HOF Veterans Committee under Frisch also added players from the Phillies, Indians, Cubs, Boston Braves and Red Sox who are not counted among the croneys. Footnote 31 (Hardball Times, Richard Barbieri) does not mention Lindstrom. Footnotes 32 and 33 (Jay Jaffe, Baseball Prospectus)agrees he has no evidence of Frisch's involvement. Footnote 36 (Clark Booth Dorchester Times) says he wants more players elected, not fewer, and that Lindstrom was a good choice. How much does it take to right an obvious wrong? 74.248.35.47 (talk) 20:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point on Frisch's death. I didn't consider that. However, Bill Terry remained on the committee when Lindstrom was elected, and there were still charges of cronyism related to Lindstrom's election. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Dick Howser Trophy FLC
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Re: Freddie Lindstrom (once again)
Reason for the mess on additions to Legacy: I kept screwing up the footnotes back slash. Could you point out where further verifications are needed. Thanks. And thanks for the Dick Young piece. I hope you noticed, though, that Young trashes all 12 members of the "Old Croney Committee," not just Frisch or Terry. As president of the BBWA at the time (1976), he was an outspoken opponent of the committee for diluting the writers' right to name HOF members. They, in turn, came about because the BBWA was so slow to add new entrants. After all, the annual gathering at Cooperstown needed someone to showcase, and 75 percent of the BBWA was about as likely as our present U.S. House of Representatives approving Obamacare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.248.43.197 (talk) 22:37, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Luke Messer
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Andy Barr
Well, you beat me to the punch in creating the article about Andy Barr, but I took the time to do a lot of expanding based on newspaper archives I have access to through Newsbank. I noticed you already nominated the article for DYK. Ordinarily, my five-fold expansion would qualify for DYK, but it won't be DYK eligible a second time. Would you consider adding me as a co-nominator? Acdixon (talk · contribs) 20:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * No problem. You increased the article from where it was by, what, 9x? Roughly. If you can think of any other good hooks, please add them. In a few terms, it may be too much detail on the pre-Congressional career. But for now it looks close to GA. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to ask you the same thing about hooks. The only thing I could think of was "...that Kentucky Representative-elect Andy Barr began working with a child abuse prevention agency after writing a speech on that subject for then-Governor Ernie Fletcher?" Not sure how interesting that is to other people, but it's the kind of thing you don't really think about happening, I guess. What you've got is also good; how many folks can say they worked for three Congressmen by the time they were 30? I thought about going for GA with this, but as bad as this sounds, I usually like to shepherd articles about dead people so I don't have to update them later! LOL I'm not averse to a run, though, if you think it's worth it. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 22:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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