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Rickie Weeks Page Edit Followup
http://calltothepen.com/2015/02/12/mariners-sign-rickie-weeks-bolster-already-star-studded-roster/

here is the info on the Rickie Weeks signing by the Seattle Mariners.

best,

gary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grrhunt (talk • contribs) 03:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. The headline reads "sign", but the text of that page reads "have come to terms". That's a different animal. The deal is not official, and could be voided if he fails a physical exam. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Prolific
Teach me English, I didn't think so far of "prolific" as a peacock-term, I thought it factually describes that a composer wrote a lot, specifically in different genres. Why would you? - I confess that I dislike tags on the article of a person who died today, - could you replace the word by a better one if needed, instead of a tag? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I just quickly clicked on the page and don't really have time to edit. I do agree that it's generally better to make the change than to add a tag, though, but I tagged as I expect others to do the improvements. "Prolific" strikes me as incredibly similar to the examples listed at WP:PEACOCK, such as "legendary" and "acclaimed". – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Ty Hensley
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Cousins
My updates on the Cousins page were accurate. If this page is not going to include the role the Cousins play had in Experimental Rule 7.13 then he probably doesn't merit a wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.129.210.26 (talk) 16:38, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That part is fine, but it needs a reliable source, and your edit also deleted other information, which is why I undid it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015
Please don't change the format of dates, as you did to Robin Raphel. As a general rule, if an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the dates should be left in the format they were originally written in, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. Please also note that Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes (e.g., st, nd, th), articles, or leading zeros on dates.

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 * The article as I saw it uses inconsistent dating, and yeah, there's a "strong" national tie to the United States as she's worked as a high-level government official. It should be mdy format. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Muboshgu. I am surprised to see a discussion of something so small as this, and I was certainly surprised to see the date script run right on top of my own running of the date script. Per guidelines, if an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the dates should be left in the format they were originally written. It is not appropriate for an editor to change to the date format they prefer. MOS:TIES does not overrule that, and is certainly not meant to be used as an argument to change to a date format an editor prefers. In this case, the article used both ISO and dmy formats in its references and used mdy formats (the U.S. format), in its article body. When I ran the date script, I kept to this, making sure the references were consistently the dmy format as established already in the article and ensured the body date formats were left alone. If you'd like, we can continue this discussion on the article talk page, but really this is too small an issue to fight over. Cheers.

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Minnie Minoso true age
Minnie Minoso was born November 29,1922. He stated this fact at a baseball card show in Chicago when asked his true age in front of 30 people. He was told to shave off 3 years of his true age to be a better prospect to reach Major league baseball when he first came to America. If you change it to 1925 i will instantly reverse your vandalism as it is not his correct age. SO LEAVE IT ALONE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:A500:2A1:D93B:A427:B670:6BBF (talk) 15:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Provide a reliable source for this, please. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

The source is the words of Minnie Minoso himself. Like it says, are you a dumbass  that cant  read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:A500:2A1:D93B:A427:B670:6BBF (talk) 16:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Edit warring and calling someone a "dumbass that cant  read" are not constructive ways to address this, and will see you blocked from editing. You claim that he said he was born in 1922, but you show us no proof. All of the obits posted yesterday, and most reliable sources ever published, use 1925 as his year of birth, and so do we, whether it's accurate or not. Wikipedia is about "verifiability, not truth". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Minnie Minoso made the claim of his birth being November 29, 1922. I claim nothing but being a witness with 30 other people at a card show when he made this statement. As it is his claim and his birthday he should know better than anyone else. Now leave it alone you vandal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:d:a500:2a1:d93b:a427:b670:6bbf (talk) 11:22, March 2, 2015‎
 * You're not listening. Wikipedia works on the policy of verifiability, which comes from reliable sources. You saying that Minoso said something at a trade show doesn't pass muster. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Minnie Miñoso's year of birth, redux
Some sources for his YOB being 1922 include

1. His USA Today Obituary (per the Chicago White Sox), which addresses the age discrepancy. 

2. The Negro League Baseball Museum Website, as listed in his article. 

3. The Bio section of his Official Facebook Page. "Minnie Miñoso, born Saturnino Orestes Armas Miñoso Arrieta, on November 29, 1922 in Havana, Cuba is a former star left fielder in Major League Baseball." BurienBomber (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's discrepant information. The Facebook page also says "Start Info: Born on November 29, 1925". B Ref gives it as 1925. There's no clear right answer here. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Kyeong Kang
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Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by GSIntegration (talk • contribs) 15:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. The problem is that you're including information without a reliable source. Please read that link to see what reliable sourcing entails. I don't think sourcing something to your website is appropriate, as you have indicated that this is on behalf of a client. You should therefore also familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, to see what is and is not acceptable. Please let me know if you have any other questions. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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I left you some initial GA feedback but forgot to notify you before I went to bed. Great work so far. I think this will be straightforward! EricEnfermero (Talk) 10:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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Interesting that you bring up Arab Spring, because I was thinking that there is some comparison. I'm not sure what to call this recent phenomenon. I don't recall any title given to it by news media. But there might be an umbrella term for it, if we look for it. The best I can come up with at the moment are a couple of slogans: "Black lives matter!" and "Hands up! Don't shoot!" I'm not so sure those slogans have long-term traction. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * A Kos article from 2012, which cites a Chicago Tribune investigation, calls the trend "shooting the suspect". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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Charlotte Mckinney DOB
What is your interest in constantly falsifying Charlotte's DOB? I am not sure i understand your intentions. Is there an issue with her displaying her true age and DOB? She was born in 93 not 91. I am her manager. I have her ID's. I have cited a source yet you continue to change. Why? Modshop (talk) 19:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We have no way of knowing which DOB is correct, so until we can verify it, the best course of action is to leave it blank. You can say you have her IDs, but I have no way of verifying that. I could say that I'm really Barack Obama, but you can't confirm or deny that either. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Tyler Stohr for deletion
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Talk:2014 East Harlem apartment buildings explosion
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Nomination of Jesús Cota for deletion
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WikiCup 2015 May newsletter
The second round one has all wrapped up, and round three has now begun! Congratulations to the 34 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our second round. Leading the way overall was in Group B with a total of 777 points for a variety of contributions including Good Articles on Corona Borealis and Microscopium - both of which received the maximum bonus. Special credit must be given to a number of high importance articles improved during the second round.
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 * took Dragonfly to Good Article for a 3x bonus - and if that wasn't enough, they also took Damselfly there as well for a 2x bonus.
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The points varied across groups, with the lowest score required to gain automatic qualification was 68 in Group A - meanwhile the second place score in Group H was 404, which would have been high enough to win all but one of the other Groups! As well as the top two of each group automatically going through to the third round, a minimum score of 55 was required for a wildcard competitor to go through. We had a three-way tie at 55 points and all three have qualified for the next round, in the spirit of fairness. The third round ends on June 28, with the top two in each group progressing automatically while the remaining 16 highest scorers across all four groups go through as wildcards. Good luck to all competitors for the third round! , and  16:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Byron Buxton
Hi, first time editor here. I was just curious if you could explain why you removed a large portion of my submission on Byron Buxton's wiki with the explanation "trim some cruft." I believe that the information shared was not only relevant, factual, and cited, but is also very interesting.

Thanks for taking the time to respond in advance, Adam Anking4 (talk) 21:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "Cruft" was not the best descriptive to use, in hindsight. You did make some good additions there, especially the info on his son that I did not know he had. The issue is that the language we use on Wikipedia needs to be neutral and there are "words to watch". So, phrases like " there were plenty of legends and stories" and "Another locally infamous story" are to be avoided. Also, the story about him throwing a football 82 yards doesn't seem important, and the coach's quote about it is definitely not necessary. I hope that explains my thinking. Please ask any follow-up questions you have, since Wikipedia would be stronger if you stay and continue editing. (It does take some time to learn the ropes.) – Muboshgu (talk) 23:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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New question raised regarding Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request
Some opposers of this move have now contended that there is a "Critical fault in proposal evidence", which brings the opinions expressed into question. Please indicate if this assertion in any way affects your position with respect to the proposed move. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)