User talk:Mucho Libre

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Hello, Mucho Libre, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! TFOWR 10:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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Chiapas
The reason I'm concerned about edits like this one is because we need to write articles from a neutral point of view. This edit makes it sound like the Mexican government definitely ignored the region: we can't say that (even if you and I believe it to be true). We need to make it clear that this is the farmers' view of how they were treated. TFOWR 10:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

In response to your revert, I have altered my edit to make it clear that it is the farmer's position. Did you not see how I changed my edit? Your stated reason for continued reversion therefore makes no sense because I have already addressed it. Mucho Libre (talk) 11:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an improvement, but still not as good as the original - it's not clear until the last few words that this is about the farmers' preference. It seems somewhat clumsy phrasing, and slightly misleading. Take a look at the change between the original and your latest version. TFOWR 11:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've reverted you (again) at Chiapas conflict: stating that rights "were being ignored" is not acceptable from a neutral perspective. If you're not able to edit neutrally, I'm happy to work through the usual range of warnings, culminating in a block, and I'm equally happy to raise this at the neutral point of view noticeboard. It would be far easier if you just took more care to edit neurally, however. TFOWR 11:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You have some serious anger issues, TFOWR. I'm serious; you need to get help for that. All I have done is made a few good faith edits, trying hard to meet your standards, and you have become enraged. However, I'm glad that you have told me what particular phrase has angered you; I'll be sure not to include it in my next edit. And please, stop pretending that this is about NPOV; my last edit was already NPOV, but I am willing to accommodate you nonetheless. Rarely in life will you find a more accommodating person than me. That comes from being a mother I suppose. Mucho Libre (talk) 11:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not angry; I am not enraged. My concern was - and is - that your edits do not seem fully neutral. Consider the changes to Chiapas conflict - it's gone from stating up-front that the farmers felt their rights were being ignored, to a version in which it is no longer clear who feels this is the case. This isn't an issue around one particular phrase, it's an issue around your editing. Please - read WP:NPOV and understand that this project's goal is to create a neutral encyclopaedia, not to advance our own beliefs or philosophies. <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 12:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)