User talk:Muddymuck

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Again, welcome! GizzyCatBella 🍁  16:34, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Naming conventions (geographic names)
You may be unaware of WP:Naming conventions (geographic names), but we have spent a lot of time and effort in producing guidance on place names, including two Arbitration cases. I strongly recommend that if you're going to engage in altering place names, you read and understand all of that guidance.

Specifically, in this edit to Andrzej Żuławski, you changed the article to state that he was born in 1940 in Lviv. The guidance in WP:Naming conventions (geographic names) is "Within articles, places should generally be referred to by the same name as is used in their article title, or a historical name when discussing a past period." This is a disputed question, as the city was certainly known as Lwów by the Polish government, who signed the Sikorski–Mayski agreement in 1941, which declared null-and-void the Soviet-German partition of Poland. Unless you have good sources that show the city changed its name officially prior to 1940, it's difficult for you to assert that Żuławski was born in Lviv, not Lwów.

Have a think about whether you're on firm ground in your changes, and decide on whether you want to defend the edit with sources or self-revert to the prior stable version. --RexxS (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree 1921-1938 it usually Lwów. But in 1939 USSR annex it: Soviet annexation of Eastern Galicia, Volhynia and Northern Bukovina, administered under new Lviv Oblast. Residents of Lviv were treated as Soviet subjects by USSR from 1939. Sources use Lviv in 1940. History book edited by Timothy D. Snyder & Ray Brandon: . Book by historian David R. Marples: . In Lemberg, Lwow, and Lviv 1914-1947: Violence and Ethnicity in a Contested City, Christopher Mick uses L'viv in 1940. In Andrzej Żuławski the citation from culture.pl tells "Director, screenwriter, novelist, essayist and actor born in 1940 in Lviv (now Ukraine), died in 2016 in Warsaw".--Muddymuck (talk) 11:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement
Hi Muddymuck. You're not in any "trouble", but you and your editing are being discussed at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, and no one apparently has notified you of this, so I thought you should get a "heads up" so that you're aware of this discussion. You are not required to comment or do anything in response to this, but you are allowed to comment on that page if you want to. Cheers, Levivich&thinsp;[dubious – discuss] 18:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Levivich, should I comment there? Some really ugly talk there. I thought GizzyCatBella was a friend, see this message with cookies for me here: . But talking on me behind my back? Is that usual here? I edit Wikipedia not much at all, most I did so far was cleaning up "Category:Jewish atheists" because I learned it was used outside of Wikipedia as a "commie Jew" label. The pages I remove from "Category:Jewish atheists" did not belong there.--Muddymuck (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, I wouldn't bother commenting, because editors have since updated and struck their "sock" comments, which is an acknowledgement that those comments were a mistake. I wouldn't take it personally; it's easy to get new accounts mixed up and make an unwarranted socking accusation. Since those comments have now been struck, and it looks like that whole thread is about to be closed, I would say just ignore it at this point. Levivich&thinsp;[dubious – discuss] 14:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Avoided it, there was too much heated emotion there.--Muddymuck (talk) 10:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)