User talk:Mudlover

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Nomination of Motorcycle Superstore for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Motorcycle Superstore is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Motorcycle Superstore until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:39, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of interest notice
Hello Mudlover. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Motorcycle Superstore, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. This notice has been posted to your talk page because you have indicated that you are an employee of this company. Brianhe (talk) 19:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Could you please go edit your comments at Articles for deletion/Motorcycle Superstore and delete the personal attacks against me? You might want to read No personal attacks and consider that the administrators who decide whether to delete the article are not going to look favorably at this kind of behavior. It's in your interest to stick to facts, and not try to drag the discussion into the mud. Getting blocked from editing for making personal attacks is no way to save your article.If you do have a problem with me, then go to Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and state your case, without conflating the issue with a deletion discussion.And by the way, I'm not the one who nominated Motorcycle Superstore for deletion; that was somebody else entirely. I'm just one guy and it takes a lot more than just me and my single opinion to get an article deleted. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:28, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Dennis, I would have deleted the comments about you, but somebody has already done so. It sounds like the comments would have been best directed to your talk page or the noticeboards you mention. I will consider posting them there instead.

Yes, Kevin Rutherford nominated the article for deletion without including specifics. You included specifics but falsely called all 24 references press releases. As a result of your hasty and incorrect statements, the article was fast-tracked for deletion.

I would disagree with you about the bias of many of the sources as all being "positive cheerleaders," but I understand your perspective better now. If you think about it a little deeper, though - the mainstream press rarely covers motorcycle industry topics. The enthusiasts among the 'motorcycle press corps' tend to be supportive of motorcycle industry leaders. Particularly a business that has unusually high BizRate and Better Biz Bureau ratings, Facebook support, and sponsors a wide range of motorcycle races and other community services. This tendency for the media to be supportive of major players is not unique to the motorcycle industry or to Motorcycle Superstore's press coverage - it is arguably true of most industry in a capitalist society. To call the sources cheerleaders is to miss the fact that the sources are fully independent of the business and yet almost all of the coverage I can find just is positive. I think you erred in posting your quick, sweeping blanket statements that each and every one of the sources in the article was a press release... without backing up one of these claims with critical analysis.

Mudlover (talk) 17:21, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Motorcycle Superstore for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Motorcycle Superstore is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Motorcycle Superstore (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC)