User talk:Muhammad Hamza/2009

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21:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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Components of a cited source
I was going through the instructions required to create a good article. I searched on WP, but cannot find that what components should each source include. So we also need to write the author name even if it wasn't featured newspaper article and just a simple news article. Also please mention any page, if any, which discusses this matter in detail. Muhammad Hamza (talk) 06:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to how your references are formatted you may want to review WP:CITE for the style manual on citation. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

How to request a review
I am currently working on the article Tablighi Jamaat and i need someone to review and suggest the possible areas for improvement and some recommendations. Is there some place where i can request a review? --Muhammad Hamza (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You can post your request at WP:EAR to get other editors to take a look at the article and perhaps give you some suggestions or advise. Javier  MC  18:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Image deletion
you deleted the image at Junaid Jamshed. Can i kindly know the reason?Muhammad Hamza (talk) 20:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind request. I deleted the image as the former version (not the one you can see now) was a copyright television screen capture (specifically this one) that was incorrectly marked with a GFDL licence - Peripitus (Talk) 21:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

your talk page seems full of complaints against deletions. But anyways... thanks for clarifying about junaid jamshed image. sincerely appreciate that. Hamza [ talk ] 13:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Kindly dont take it offensively. But seriously man. I ain't the only one who is complaining about you not using the article discussion page for mentioning the reason. May i kindly suggest that people will find it more appropriate if you avoid deleting anything until you've written notes on discussion page. It just gives the image of completely ignoring one's efforts. As i said... please don't take it offensively. Hamza [ talk ] 13:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No offence taken. My talk page is certainly replete with complaints about images as this is the primary administrative area I work in here. I delete a large number of images, mostly for copyright infringement, and the often new and inexperienced uploader's of these images. This naturally leads to a complaints - and this will never change as long as we have a continuing stream of new users and Wikipedia remains the free encyclopedia. At least I don't work in the biographies of living people area, administrators there sometimes get some impressive hate mail. As for dropping notes on talk pages, I generally do this in retrospect as in: find an unambiguous copyright violation -> delete it straight away -> leave an appropriate note on the uploader's talk page. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Appropriate Templat/tag
helpme If i find a particular SECTION of an article unorganized then which template/tag should i use to mark if for THIS SECTION NEEDS REORGANIZATION. Similar template exists for the article but not for the section.


 * Could you specify please which template you are referring to that exists only for articles and not sections? Regards  So Why  10:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I presume you're referring to Cleanup-reorganize. The easiest way to do what you want (with this template) is, to use the code, as oppose to  . Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 11:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

MQM Page
looking at the history of the page MQM, the fans have been quite busy in reverting and removing the material from the page. My recent edits were also removed. Is there any way to protect or limit the number of users who edit this article?
 * Yes, you can request for page protection. See WP:RPP.--JL 09 Talk to me!  13:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Stubs list
There is a page here in wiki which lists all the stubs related to article maintenance including the cleanup stubs and the stubs that say that this section/article requires citations or more inline citations or cleanup or reorganization etc. I cannot find it again. Can anybody post its link. I am tired. Hamza [ talk ] 22:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that you might mean the cleanup campaign, especially perhaps Cleanup 2009. You might also be interested in helping out with peer reviews; you could browse the many projects, look at the newest articles, or maybe just something random. We have a list of requested articles, requests for feedback, and a huge backlog of tasks.


 * Hopefully, this will give you some ideas. For more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use another here,;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.


 * Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  22:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that this is the page. That page listed tens of different maintenance templates with their respective tags. any luck? eh? Hamza [ talk ] 22:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean Pages needing attention? That's not active, but the list at the end of it sounds like it might be what you're after? Let me know, below, please. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  22:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. That also links to Cleanup resources  Chzz  ►  22:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

OK. let me define the problem here. I frequently forget the tags that are used for any particular template. And that page was holy grail for me. Almost all the tags pertaining to the maintenance of any article were on it. and now I lost the page itself. And at last.... I am very seriously and sincerely thankful for the effort you've just made. Thanks a trillion.Hamza [ talk ] 23:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, the actual templates themselves, rather than the list of articles that have them. Template messages/Cleanup?  Chzz  ►  23:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

help HOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLY COW ! muuaaaaaahh ! you rock ! Hamza [ talk ] 23:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Anything else you need help with? -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Source Material
In the article MQM, there are two references which point to an Asian Survey Journal articles originially published by Univ. of California. These both articles are hosted on Scribd whereas they both are to be purchased if one wants to view it from University of California website. Now should i keep both these articles on reference list or should i delete them for reason that they are not publicly available from the original publisher?


 * Forget about the fact they are available on scribd (or anywhere else) - are they reliable sources? They sound like they are published, peer-reviewed journals - thus meeting the requirement of reliable sources. The availability of them online is beside the point; if they were published by what we may consider a reliable source, then they are verifiable. A reader could, in theory at least, obtain the publications. The link to an online publication of them is merely a convenience to the reader.


 * For example: I could cite a plaque on a war-memorial, here in Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, where I live. That would be a reliable source. For you to verify it, you would have to visit. If I give precise enough details as to its location, then wikipedia would assume good faith - ie, wikipedia would 'trust' that my facts based upon the plaque were legitimate (unless proven otherwise).


 * If I were to take a photograph of the plaque, then that might help - but, it would merely be a convenience. I would not be citing the photograph; I would be citing the plaque itself. I could, in theory, have changed the photograph. I would be citing a reliable source with full details; the photo is irrelevant.


 * In the same way, in this case, scribd is irrelevant.


 * I hope that this clarifies?  Chzz  ►  07:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * My concern was due to the possibility of referencing a pirated material. But apparently the source is not as important as the material itself. Thanks for the brilliant reply.Hamza [ talk ] 09:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Reporting the fanboy edits
help In the article MQM a user Syed9090 is repeatedly removing the referenced part of the article. Is there any way to restrain the user? I think it is the third time when he has removed the referenced edits. I have warned him on his talk page. But there has been no reply or corrective action. Where do i report it to admins? Hamza [ talk ] 12:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Reverted and watched. --Closedmouth (talk) 13:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating a pixel border
In article MQM the flag used in info box fails to give a clear view due to the white color in the flag. If the flag is outlined with a light color, then it will become clear. How can this be done?
 * Use Example.jpg to achieve this. I did it for you in that article (see here). Regards  So Why  13:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Copying with reference
I am now a days contributing to Tablighi Jamaat. In the activities section, i want to copy a parable used by members of Tablighi Jamaat mentioned on pg.166 from the book of Muhammad Khalid Masud called Travellers in faith in exact same words. If i use the quote tag, then can i copy it? will it satisfy the copyright guidelines of wiki? Do i need to take permission from some admins? Hamza [ talk ] 19:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can cite it word by word if you use " ".--Cubs197 (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Cquote Tag alignment
If i use the tag, then it produces the quotation automatically in centered alignment. How do i left align it? "It is not recommended to use cquote in articles; just use "whatever", as I have done here. That uses HTML's "blockquote" syntax, so the exact appearance depends on the users own preferences - which is preferable to 'forcing the format'. See Manual of Style."

- Chzz  ► 19:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

 Chzz  ►  19:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Reknowned columnist = Good source
Can i cite facts mentioned in a newspaper column as credible reference. Is is not a news item but a column by journalist. The newspaper i am talking about is the largest selling pakistani english newspaper and the columnist is very well known in Pakistan.


 * Could you perhaps cite it a a direct quotation? For example, if the colum said this;


 * ...then you could say;


 * ...that would be OK, if the source checked out.
 * You should not use it to say, for example.


 * ...I hope that makes sense? For more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use another here,;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.


 * Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  07:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment
can we add a comment inside the article code so that it only appears in the edit box and not on the original article?


 * Yes, like this;

This is article text.

This is article text.


 * Cheers,  Chzz  ►

05:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

clarifying mqm link
I've modified external links at Muttahida Qaumi Movement. Few guys at chat said, this can be the best way to mention an official site harmful for user.

Also give your input on my opinion at Talk:Imran_Khan

Sarmadhassan (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Infobox for Tablighi Jamaat
I've been searching for some appropriate infobox for Tablighi Jamaat but cannot find one. Can anyone kindly suggest any? Infobox:Organization is the closest i got. But still not good. should i develop one ? Hamza [ talk ] 08:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm... how does this sound? That's the best I could fish out of here, though I might not have seen a better one. Hope that helps! Master of Puppets  - Call me MoP! :D  08:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

help that a great suggestion. How can i find the articles which are already using it? Hamza [ talk ] 08:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_Religious_group&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1 --Closedmouth (talk) 08:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

on my sandbox page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Muhammad_Hamza/Sandbox i am working on infobox for TJ. But everytime i make an edit i have to scroll down to see and compare it with two others that i copied from other articles. How can i align them in a way that they all appear in same line horzontally?

This is in the first column.

This is in the second column.

This is in the third column.

...gives...

This is in the first column.

This is in the second column.

This is in the third column.

...See Help:Columns for more. Let us know if you want more help with it (or I can do it for you if you want) - just use another helpme. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  09:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Center Align
What is the tag that helps align the text in center/left/right?
 * Do you mean in a table? In normal text, it is possible to use HTML alignment, but is not recommended. In a table, it is done like this;


 * If that was not what you were looking for, please use another helpme.  Chzz  ►  14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Picture Policy
I am almost done with the infobox for article Tablighi Jamaat but i was looking for an image. I found a good one on flickr. I contacted its author for permission and he asked me whether the image can be used commercially once it is on wikipedia? I don't know the answer. Do you? Hamza [ talk ] 19:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, it can. We cannot use images that are 'CC non-commercial'.


 * Anyone can copy Wikipedia content, and use it for any purpose. Many websites have copies of Wikipedia articles, and some of them carry adverts; that counts as 'commercial use'.


 * So, pictures can only be used if they are 'CC' or 'CC-BY-SA' (attribution). Except for special exceptions (such as a logo, under "Non-free fair-use"), we cannot use images that do not permit commercial use.  Chzz  ►  19:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I asked the owner of this image for if i can use this image on wikipedia. He agreed while knowing that copyright status as chzz (thanks chzz!) explained above. He will email me the original image in few days. Will there be any problem if i upload this image while this image is on Flickr with "All right reserved" statement mentioned on its page?


 * You need to either have the original page change the status or (preferred) to have him send an email of agreement to the image people (see at the bottom of WP:DCP).
 * Warm regards,  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  14:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You can perhaps ask them to send the picture attached to the text in user:chzz/help/myboilerplate. If they complete that text (by adding their name and the date), attach the picture, and email it to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org then we can sort it out. Once that has been sent, please ask someone to check for it, using another helpme. Cheers.  Chzz  ►  15:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I requested the author of image on flickr to change the image copyright status which he thankfully changed. This is the image. Is the copyright status acceptable to be used on wikipedia?
 * No. For an image to be free enough for our purposes, derivative works must be permitted. That license does not permit derivative works, so it's not free enough. Algebraist 02:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * With the exception of Non-free content, only images tagged as [[Image:Cc-by new white.svg|15px|BY]] (CC-BY) or [[Image:Cc-by new white.svg|15px|BY]] [[Image:Cc-sa white.svg|15px|SA]] (CC-BY-SA) are allowed.


 * This image has the "No derivative works" tag. Images with any license restricting commercial use or the creation of derivative works may not be used on Wikipedia.  Chzz  ►  02:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Following are the options available to flickr image author.

None (All rights reserved) Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs Creative Commons Attribution Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs Creative Commons

which option should he select for the image to be fit to be used on wikipedia? Hamza [ talk ] 03:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Either of these will be fine, but I recommend the second:
 * Attribution Creative Commons (CC-BY)
 * Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons (CC-BY-SA)
 * ∙  AJCham  talk 03:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

 Chzz  ►  05:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

help can you kindly check the copyright status now? I think it should be ok now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhammad Hamza (talk • contribs) 11:37, 8 September 2009
 * Hi Muhammad Hamza,
 * On this image you can see a small creative commons logo at the bottom right of the page. It links to which indicates by-sa/2.0, or Attribution-Share-Alike. There is no non-commercial or no-derivative clause. You can upload it on commons using the flickr tool you will find in the list when importing your file.
 * Calimo (talk) 12:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

help do i have to mention the image author's name on the article page under this image?Hamza [ talk ] 12:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your question is a bit ambiguous. Are you asking if you have to attribute them in the in-article caption? If so, no. — neuro (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * (ec) The attribution should be on the image description page, not the article. Include some links back to Flickr. E.g.:
 * Source: Ijitmak Malaysia at Flickr
 * Author: aSMawi
 * ∙  AJCham  talk 12:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Link in Edit Summary
help how do we put a link in edit summary?
 * For wikilinks, use the usual method of double square brackets, like this . Unfortunately, URLs can't be hyperlinked in edit summaries. Regards, Skomorokh  06:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

help
 * No i mean i've sometimes seen links in edit summaries that link to the page that shows the difference between revisions. How do we do that?Hamza [ talk ] 07:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sko is correct, it's not possible to make a clickable link in an edit summary. Could you give an example of what you're talking about? --Closedmouth (talk) 07:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Citation style
I went through the citation styles article and still a little confused. Can you kindly tell me that do i have to mention page numbers every time I cite a book  like i've cited in Tablighi Jamaat. -Hamza [ talk ] 11:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Citing sources? See, it is always better to use to cite sources. See Template:Citation for help using the template. --  Srin  ivas  11:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * so will i have to use the template everytime i cite the book? I mean i've cited it four times perhaps. will i have to use template every time? Isn't that hectic? Isn't the  method convenient?
 * Oh! you are citing it on the same page! Yes,  is convinient. --  Srin  ivas  12:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

help But how will then the reader know the page number of a particular citation from the same book? Hamza [ talk ] 05:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The citation template Srinivas pointed out above has a parameter you can use to specify page numbers - click the link he gave you and read through the documentation. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 05:12, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)


 * The whole point is that the information should be verifiable - ie a person reading the article should be able to 'check the facts' for themself. However you achieve that does not really matter; just give as much detail as you can. There are many ways to make citations; please have a look at my own little gudes, user:chzz/help/ref and user:chzz/help/refs. Also, look at other existing good articles and especially featured articles.


 * For more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use a - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put , and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~ at the end;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.


 * Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  05:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Please be more careful
You moved Abdul Wahad to Abdul Wahab (detainee).

Please understand that this was a very damaging act.

Some people, including me, think it is disruptive to go and rename articles you aren't working on, without first discussing it on the articles' talk pages. Some people think WP:BOLD authorizes such acts. I disagree. For those of us who aren't administrators undoing renaming isn't always possible.

But, even if you had established a consensus that a move like this was a good idea you made several serious mistakes.
 * 1) You have a circular loop. There a blue link for Abdul Wahab in Abdul Wahhab (disambiguation).  It says it points to the Guantanamo captive.  But, instead it points back to Abdul Wahhab (disambiguation).  That is deeply broken.
 * 2) You left Abdul Wahab at the top of the disambiguation page. And you put Abdul Wahab (detainee) at the bottom of the disambiguation page.  These two entried are, nominally, for a single individual.  But anyone who ends up at the disambiguation page is going to try to first broken link, and find it doesn't work.  Readers are very unlikely to look for a second entry in the list, because articles aren't supposed to have multiple links on a disambiguation page.
 * 3) If a redirection is done properly readers shouldn't end up at the disambiguation page. Please look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Abdul_Wahab.  See all the articles that point to Abdul Wahab, which you redirected to the disambiguation page.  They should all redirect to the article on the Guantanamo captive 961.
 * 4) What made you think that Abdul Wahab (detainee) would be a good alternate name? I accept that this was a good-faith mistake.  There are about four dozen Guantanamo captives whose names needed to be disambiguated because of a true name collission.  About half of them needed to be disambiguated from other Guantanamo captives, like Abdul Ghani (Guantanamo captive 943) and Abdul Ghani (Guantanamo captive 934).  To be consistent with that half the other half have names that follow that form.  If disambiguation was really necessary it would be named  Abdul Wahab (Guantanamo captive 961) .  But you haven't established that disambiguation was necessary.

I think the simplest fix, and the first step, would be a request at WP:requested moves to move Abdul Wahab (detainee) back to Abdul Wahab. Please don't cause more chaos by changing the wikilinks shown by Special:WhatLinksHere/Abdul_Wahab to so they point to Abdul Wahab (detainee).

Please note and. Your move cut the number of page views of the article on the detainee to 20 % of what it had been the previous month.

If you really think you have an argument as to why the article on the Guantanamo captive shouldn't be at Abdul Wahab you can seek consensus for your preferred name after the article has been restored to where readers can find it. Geo Swan (talk) 10:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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