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In regards to your revert edit on Beyoncé's song page “Halo”
I have included the source for the updates I made, but I am confused as to why the link continues to redirect to the previous one. Can you assist me with this issue? As per May 2024 certifications update from the BVMI, Beyoncé's Halo has certified 3x Gold with 900,000 units in Germany.

Source: Monatsreport Mai 2024 GOLD-/PLATIN- und DIAMOND-Auszeichnungen in Deutschland Newpicarchive (talk) 12:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You should use the salesref parameter of the template to provide a specific source. However, I think this would be a mistake. A better approach would be to find out why BVMI is certifying 3x Gold with 900,000, so the template is providing this number directly. As far as I can say, BVMI used the release date to determine the certification levels for singles as late as December 2023. However, since January 2024 they seem to use 300,000 as the threshold for all singles. Looking at the latest set of rules I can find makes things even more confusing, since it actually says this move to 300,000 should have happened on July 2023 (compare to earlier set of rules). What I suggest is that you wait a bit with that edit and let us figure it out so the template is correct. If you see it isn't done for a month or two, go can always go back and make that edit. Muhandes (talk) 13:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I attempted to use the template as instructed, but the source link continues to redirect me to the previous one. Could you kindly provide assistance with this matter? Alternatively, if you don't mind, could you please make the necessary edits for Halo certification in Germany yourself? Newpicarchive (talk) 13:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That would not be necessary anymore. The default citation works perfectly fine and it lists 900,000 as the certified amount. A specific source is only necessary if there is a need to override the amount. Muhandes (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. i appreciate it. Newpicarchive (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm pinging who was involved with the latest edit to BVMI certification levels; maybe they can shed some light on this. I tend to think singles certified since July 2023 should use 300,000 as the threshold for Gold per the guideline (which, by the way, was also reflected here on August 2023), but I'm really interested to hear what you think. --Muhandes (talk) 13:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I found the newest guideline from December 2023; I'm not sure it brings anything new to the table. I also found this source which shows the 300,000 threshold on July with the term "für alle Single-Produkte", but not on June. --Muhandes (talk) 13:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Muhandes. I was actually planning on talking to you about this. According to recent monthly certification reports by the BVMI, they awarded songs from any year the same threshold they first installed on 30 June 2023. Following a discussion on the German Wikipedia, a user directly asked an employee from BVMI and received the response that the thresholds are indeed the same across all song releases regardless of release dates (see their comment here). However, the rule does not apply to albums. Lk95 (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * My observation is that BVMI started awarding songs from any release year based on the thresholds established on June 30, 2023, beginning in January 2024. Is that correct? Muhandes (talk) 07:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Muhandes: Yes, that is correct. Lk95 (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. Halo (Beyoncé song) now shows the correct figure too. Muhandes (talk) 06:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you very much, I really appreciate it. Newpicarchive (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Muhandes, I am very sorry to hear about your health problems and sincerely hope that you are not suffering too much. I just wanted to say that I imagine that your contributions to Wikipedia going forward are likely to diminish and probably completely stop in the future, so I wanted to take the opportunity while I can to thank you for all your work over the years on the templates for singles and albums charts, and certification tables, and anti-vandalism work elsewhere - it has been very much appreciated by me, for one. Richard3120 (talk) 17:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . I am not suffering too much, thanks to the excellent pain relief medications available these days. I am still young, and there is always hope for recovery or at least remission, so I hope to return for longer periods. I appreciate you taking the time to express your gratitude. Knowing that my work is valued motivates me to find moments when I feel well and contribute more. Muhandes (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm very happy to hear that. Richard3120 (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

YOU are the disruptive editor
The RIAA certifies comolete sales, using independent auditors. Those "sales figures" you cite use a sample of actual sales. In every case, they are also dated years, in some cases decades, ago. If one person buys 1 copy today your "sales figures" are instantly obsolete. Of course they were incomplete when they were published. The only authority that audits total sales figures are RIAA Certifications. If you want to use a figure greater than RIAA Certifications, that's one thing. But your insistence on several-years-old sample figures that are lower than RIAA Certifications is the very definition of "disruptive editing". 197.87.135.139 (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for finally agreeing to discuss the matter. I don't think our engagement thus far has been civil and I certainly admit to my part of it, but I have been trying to communicate with you over and over and you kept reverting my messages without any comment. I am going to assume that you are really interested in conversation this time, so I will go into a little more detail.
 * In the pre-digital era, RIAA certifications were based on shipments after returns, not on actual sales as you suggest. Conversely, Nielsen SoundScan figures were based on sales. This disparity has always been a source of criticism, leading to the consensus to include sales figures when available, even if they are lower than the certified amount. With the advent of album-equivalent units, this issue has become much less significant, but it still applies to certifications made before that period.
 * Now, you may choose to respect the consensus or go against it, but at least I know I made the effort to explain what is customary. I am currently on hiatus from Wikipedia due to health issues and only returned to assist with some template editing upon request. I'm not sure why I bothered with your edits, but I certainly won't be doing so anymore. Have fun editing. Muhandes (talk) 16:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Where was this consensus reached? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.87.135.139 (talk) 07:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a de facto consensus which has already been in place when I created the certification template in 2011, and has been so ever since. Muhandes (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I am looking for someone who I believe has extensive and comprehensive coverage, backed by reliable sources.

Could you please take a look? I suspect they might have a page here. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Ilovemovies5 (talk) 08:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what exactly you are requesting of me but I'll try to help. If you are trying to create an article about Ali Al Suleiman again, then you are our of luck. There were several attempts and they all failed because the subject lacked notability. So many attempts, in fact, that there is very wide consensus that the article should be blocked from creation. There was also sock-puppetry, block evasion and other disruptive actions involved. At this point, I wouldn't touch this subject with a ten foot pole. Muhandes (talk) 09:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Muhandes what is your idea here and thank you Ilovemovies5 (talk) 09:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Muhandes made their thoughts pretty clear. And please don't go around spamming everyone's talk pages with this same stuff. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I was giving you extra good faith and being overly polite, but I do identify a sock when they quack like one. As said for all of us, please stop wasting the community's time.  Find a community which truly appreciates you, or better yet, find some other way to achieve greatness. As I recently discovered, life is too short to waste time on nonsense. Muhandes (talk) 09:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)