User talk:Muhandes/Archive 7

thanks!
Thanks for the merge cleanup. Best, --joe deckertalk to me 20:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, what are gnomes for? :) --Muhandes (talk) 20:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad You Came
Yep, of course it's the new peak fgs. You can see that on this site....... : www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display.asp?chart=1U50.. wow. MusicFan94 (talk) 09:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So you need to give an archived version of this website as a source. --Muhandes (talk) 09:02, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Or alternatively, wait. Right now I checked and the new peak appears. --Muhandes (talk) 10:40, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Please do not disturb before an article is completed!
Please do not disturb before an article is completed! C. Jeremy Wong (talk)


 * Please don't put an article on the main space before it is completed!


 * If you don't want other editors to edit your article before it is ready, don't put it on the main space - work on a copy at your own user space. Once an article is in the main space it means it is ready and anyone can edit it. If you want to edit undisturbed for a while, use in-use. --Muhandes (talk) 09:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I've spent lots of time in checking every detail I wrote, if any thing I wrote is non-factual, you may point it out. But deletion without reason should not be appropriate ... ....! There should not be any urgency that the contents should be wiped out immediately!!! C. Jeremy Wong (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC).
 * As far as I recall I removed very little content, and I most certainly didn't "wipe out" Time-Division Long-Term Evolution. In fact, I think I improved the article quite a bit. I think the only content I removed was a sentence "The aggrandizement of TD-LTE's geographical footprint is gaining momentum!" which surely you understand is in the wrong tone and borders on advertisement. All the rest of my edits were purely cosmetic per the manual of style (for example, organizations should not be called with the Ltd, Inc etc., the translation of names is unnecessary etc.) If there is anything I inadvertently removed feel free to restore it. --Muhandes (talk) 09:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It occurred to me you may be referring to Open Mobile (disambiguation). The article was tagged for disambiguation cleanup, and indeed it was very far from the guidelines of WP:DAB and MOS:DAB. If you were referring to that, I'm afraid there was no other choice but to "wipe out" the content, since the current look is how disambiguation pages are supposed to look. --Muhandes (talk) 09:58, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Software Company in Noida
Dear Muhandes sorry for late reply, but i differ with you. Mindtree is a purely a software company, i would request you to go to its own wiki page and also that its Noida development centre was earlier ASAP solutions which was bought by Mindtree consulting in 2004 and deals in it solutions specific related to ERP and SAP based solutions. Again Keane Solutions is a Software firm, kindly go through their website. Regarding Rockwell Automation, u said they have a seperate software arm Rockwell Software, its not the case, they just have software product named 'Rockwell Software'. Further its competency centre deals with Information Technology solutions for their different engineering products. Hence I think all these fall under software company category and should be included in the list... Thanks Greatbuddha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatbuddha (talk • contribs) 17:40, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please do not split discussion in two different talk pages. With your permission, I am going to copy your response back to your talk page and continue the discussion there. --Muhandes (talk) 18:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

You mentioned of a strict differntiation between software and IT services firm... i was wondering than howcome infosys, tcs, accenture, HCL etc. being IT services firm being mentioned on page. I think the point here is that almost every IT services firm deals with software development. In india maximum are IT services firm or rather IT outsourcing firm, few are there for a purely software development work. Kindly enlighten on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatbuddha (talk • contribs) 06:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I asked you before to not split the discussion. With your permission, again, I am moving your response back to your own page. --Muhandes (talk) 08:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Mughal Army again
The article is currently being added to by User:Sridharbabu58, whose name recalls the two used by the other editor. But at least it seems to be explanatory material. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, even if they are contributing, this is a clear WP:SOCK, which I am going to report at WP:SPI. The only way for them to edit is to ask for the original account to be reopened. --Muhandes (talk) 08:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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Shafaq image
Hi,

I saw your image of the Iranian Shafaq fighter - pretty cool. Did you build a 3D model to make that image? If yes, what kind of software/file format did you use? I make military units for the computer game Civilization III as a hobby and was wondering whether I could use your model. Of course you'd get credit!

Please let me know either way. Best, TopSedlak — Preceding unsigned comment added by TopSedlak (talk • contribs) 13:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If you look more carefully you'll see the image is attributed to Aspahbod. Anyway, he released the image on Creative Commons license, so as long as you follow the license you can use it. Best regards and good luck with the game. --Muhandes (talk) 15:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Chipiona Light
Hi Muhandes, I noticed that you started, and presumably named, the above page. I would like to expand it but I feel the name is not exactly correct. I think it would be better called Chipiona Lighthouse. Would you have problems with my changing it or would you prefer to do that yourself? with best wishes. Richard Avery (talk) 13:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would not want it to be changed at all. The Light vs. Lighthouse debate is probably as old as the first lighthouse article. The reason being that sea people always call it "light" - when you are at sea you don't know if there is a house there or not. Therefore we have List of Lights etc. Land people prefer lighthouse from obvious reasons. The practice agreed upon at the lighthouse project is to not change a name that another editor set. Thus when I created 100ish articles about Australian lighthouse, all with "light", I did not change the article Hornby Lighthouse, though I expanded it 5x. I hope you agree this practice makes sense. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 19:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * While we're at it, the material you added to the article is mostly unsourced. I would really appreciate it if you could add it. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, I can see where you are coming from and that makes sense. I don't want to make the lighthouse boys angry :-) I have copied much of it from the Spanish edition and I will certainly put some citations in, but now I'm going to bed. best. Richard Avery (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If this is copied from the Spanish edition, make sure to attribute it on the talk page, see Translation. You may also want to improve the first sentence of the History section, "...older lighthouses and from antiquity this lighthouse...", it is unclear as plural is used in the beginning and singular at the end. I'm sure you also agree citations are mandatory, even, or maybe especially, for a translated article. Sadly, I am going on vacation for a few days as otherwise I would have tried to improve it and push it to WP:DYK, I think it should be easy to do a 5x. I can see to the article when I'm back, but that may be too late. One obvious point comes to mind regarding indiscriminate usage of images in the image gallery (e.g. tidal fishing traps are not mentioned in the article, yet an image exists). --Muhandes (talk) 09:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Back from the short vacation I made some minor changes. It is too late now for DYK I believe. I'd still love to see the sources for the history section. --Muhandes (talk) 00:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment
Going back to intensive and sometimes disruptive and divisive discussion on both WP:ALBUM and WP:RS... Allmusic is not to be used as a reference for genres as the site carries over an "anything goes" genre box from one album to the next in any album or band article. The site can be used freely for specific quotes to be used as inline citations on any music related article (although frankly many of the more recent editors allowed to contribute to the site are not very 'professional')... again... all of this has been beat to death at WP:ALBUM and WP:MUSIC. Also note. At the album and band template discussion pages their is a general consensus to NOT use citations in the infobox at all... unless, of course, there is a dispute and placing them there will help alleviate the bickering. I have been editing music related pages in many guides (probably over 100000 at this point) since 2004. So I've seen every possible debate and soapbox. None of the more recent edits I've made have been to articles with 'battleground' boxes. My preference is to avoid those completely. I simply noticed that a few had been altered from what had been long standing... very quiet consensus variations and I was just point a clicking some of the obvious ones. Especially the misuse of 'arena rock' and 'album rock' (AOR is another gross misuse on Wikipedia). arena rock is a term, not a genre. And album rock and AOR are both very clearly used (even on Wikipedia) as FM radio formats and not clear music genres at all. Hope all this helps. Feel free to ask me for any assistance. (that is all I am here for... having long since suffered from 'editor burn-out' and left the project many time over... only to get pulled back in (read that using a Al Pacino voice HaHa!) Take care and happy editing. 142.166.163.242 (talk) 15:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Frankly, I don't care for album genres at all. Don't tell anyone (surely no one is looking) but I don't really listen to any of this music. The only reason I ever change genres is when several IPs edit war over them. Lacking any real insight, I do what I do with any other subject I know little of - I add what any source (allmusic in this case) says, cite it, and urge all editors (by reverting any unexplained changes) to discuss it. This was the case with all the albums I added allmusic genres to and this is exactly where sources are accepted in the infobox, I believe. It might not be the best way to do it but it seems to work for me. I have no problem with removing arena rock and album rock, and note that I did not restore them to any of the albums you removed them from. I did restore glam metal/pop metal/hair metal since no reason was given for removing them. If you feel they are inappropriate, just remove them, saying why, and if no one argues, that's how they will stay. Best regards, and happy editing. --Muhandes (talk) 16:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum : it just occurred to me that you are editing on multiple IPs. I'm sorry, but there is just no way for me to distinguish between an anonymous IP disruptively editing and removing genres without explanation, and someone who actually does constructive editing, unless you open an account or at least use the same IP. If I see something which is not backed by any explanation I will revert it. If you feel there is reasoning, feel free to revert me, but please supply the reason. --Muhandes (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * G7. --Muhandes (talk) 06:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Holla.
Seems like you have issue with my improvisation of my university's page Punjab Technical University. Tell me the issue. All images are copyrighted and official. If you need any reference, tell me. Dont revert my changes. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shobhit.Sharma.Wiki (talk • contribs) 12:31, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not only my concern, an administrator has already warned you about it and you keep redoing it. As both the message on your talk page and the edit summary explained very clearly, the material you are adding is copy pasted from a website, and as such is copyrighted. It is the duty of any editor to immediately remove material they believe is violating the copyrights of another person. --Muhandes (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Pardon me for intruding. Paraphrase most of it.  Put into quotations that which is particularly important, and then put in a citation.  That should cure the problem.   7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The first step, though, is to discuss things and cooperate. You will get nowhere by ignoring warnings and edit warring. If you still wish to contribute when the block is over (and I do wish you will, it is clear your intentions are good) I will be very happy to assist. Leave me a note here. --Muhandes (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Muhandes, I apologize for speaking up. I am thinking that 'what we have here is a failure to communicate'  Cool Hand Luke.  I think that this is a confused editor, not a malevolent one, and I know we both WP:AGF.  Best regards.   7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And if you read one sentence above, you will see I said "it is clear your intentions are good", so basically we agree. Sad as it may be, some editors who mean well, require a block to start communicating with other editors. --Muhandes (talk) 15:21, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I thoroughly understood you. I was actually talking about Shobhit.Sharma.Wiki not understanding the rules of the game. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand, and we agree. I was just saying, what you were saying, is what I was saying, you get what I'm saying? Cheers! --Muhandes (talk) 11:39, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You Needed Me
You're right, that was a rather snarky comment. I have a personal hatred of the cleanup template, so I think it would've been better to just ask on the talk page or ask another editor to do it for you. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think leaving notes on the talk page works and I don't want to impose myself on any specific editor. If someone is watching the article, and they care, a cleanup tag is just an invitation to improve it or remove the tag if they do not agree. If no one cares, then no one cares. I agree with you that an unexplained cleanup tag is many times worthless. But if a very specific issue is mentioned, I don't see the harm of it, and in fact I see how well it works all the time. --Muhandes (talk) 06:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

What do you say?
Please check Shreya Ghoshal and give your opinion according to WP:V. Thank you.Usvi Kasine (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what kind of opinion you are looking for. Some of the facts do not seem to have a source, so it should be added. The awards are all sourced to a primary source which is also inappropriate. But you seem to know all this, why do you need me? --Muhandes (talk) 23:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I am trying to go according to Citing sources, but the editor on the other side (who is probably a fan}, making things difficult for me. I have no intention of any sort of edit war, that is why requested for your opinion about my edits. So, if it goes like this, should I leave it here or ensure WP:V?Usvi Kasine (talk) 23:15, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I did not go through the entire history so I did not understand the situation. Shshshsh is correct in general, that facts in the lead generally do not require a source if they are well sourced in the body. However, I do not see sources in the body that she ever sang in Assamese for instance, so you could tag that, saying nothing in the article says she sang in Assamese. The same applies to other languages, if it is not mentioned in the article, it can be tagged. --Muhandes (talk) 23:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the point which I wanted to make. At times, some experienced editors do not maintain a neutral point of view and start creating trouble. That is the reason I involved you to tag it. Thank you for your time.Usvi Kasine (talk) 23:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Due to my recent edits on Asha Bhosle and Shreya Ghoshal, Shshshsh got too upset and appears to forget Etiquette. He is also accusing me of being Sock which is beyond my perception. I think being a more experienced editor, he is not ready to listen to others. What should be my line of action? Usvi Kasine (talk) 21:10, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have also reported it on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Usvi Kasine (talk) 22:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I must say that I don't see any real uncivil behavior, unless I missed something (and if I did, please bring direct diffs). All I see is you and Shshshsh having an age old dispute on what editing is about, a long and stale argument. I find myself enough on both sides of the discussion to understand I don't even have a real opinion on what is right. When someone needlessly tags "my" articles (yes, never really mine) I find it annoying. Then again, when I find something wrong I go bold or tag, and who are they to remove a tag supported by policy? My advice - do what you believe is right and try to avoid personal disputes. Going to ANI over anything less than a direct threat or very obvious uncivil behavior serves no purpose other than escalating the dispute. --Muhandes (talk) 09:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are right in the given circumstances. I will definitely consider it and will come back to you again. Regards. Usvi Kasine (talk) 09:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hannah Montana (soundtrack)
No as she did do the song it wasn't released on the soundtrack but it was released on the Disney Channel Holiday CD. JamesAlan1986 *talk 16:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks for the clarification. The articles I noted should be fixed then, so I went and fixed them. Is there any evidence it was ever released as a single? --Muhandes (talk) 18:27, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. As far as I know no I don't think it was. It might have been on Radio Disney but I don't think that counts. JamesAlan1986</b> *<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred;">talk 00:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * Resolved, forgot to move it to the new article. --Muhandes (talk) 08:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Show preview button.
Please remember to use the "Show preview" button when making edits to prevent multiple saves. This makes it easier to see that changes were made to an article and prevents clogging up the page history, as with Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree. Please read Help:Show preview if you have any additional questions. Housewatcher (talk) 03:58, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Though I believe your note to be irrelevant in this case (the edits were in fact incremental, not corrective), I'll take your recommendation into consideration. In the future, you might want to check who you are leaving messages to. --Muhandes (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Architecture and Construction University
Thanks for the note. The material I added was translation form the Azerbaijani version of the Wiki article. I don't mind having the tag until proper references are found. But this is just to let you know where I added the text from. Thanks. Atabəy (talk) 02:39, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If this is translated test, it should be properly attributed, see Help:Translation. I hope what I added is correct. Anyway, translating does not mean sources are not required, if at all, they are required even more. I hope proper sources can be found soon. --Muhandes (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

How do add Indian charts to songs?
Hi, just wanted to find out how to creake a Singlechart template for Indian charts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Likeicare1986 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you ask me, I'm not involved with the development of singlechart. You should ask at Template Talk:singlechart. --Muhandes (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Ref:Jadeed Adab
 * OK,thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 07:34, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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Your opinion?.
Hi,Muhandes,I see you most experienced editor of wiki policies in exact concept.Please take a look at my talk page,and User:LadyofShalott talk page,regarding to book Pir-e-Kamil and give your bold and fair opinion as I see always in your editings.And assist me sothat I can learn more about the exact meaning of the polices in right and proper concept.God bless you.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the name, since I don't see any evidence that Ahmad is a patronymic I believe per WP:SURNAME she should be called by her family name, Ahmad. Even when a person is always called in the media by his given name or full name (especially as Ahmad sounds like a masculine name), it is encyclopedic to use the surname. I know patronymics are very common in India, but much less so in Pakistan, so evidence should be brought when one is used. As for notability, wasn't the book reviewed in Urdu newspapers? Given its prevalence I'm sure you'll be able to find some reviews. Anyway, even if it did go to deletion discussion I think the notability of the author itself and it being her most popular work will make it very hard to delete. Was there any other matter you wanted my opinion about other than the name and notability? --Muhandes (talk) 17:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reply,yes you know the customs of that side of the world,in English language reference she is written everywhere Umaira Ahmad,which is her given name,Ahmad is not a family name.I have seen on youtube a some tv talk progammes,she is called Umaira Ahmad,please take a look at reference given in the article,it is evidence,no any place has been used Ahmad. Can any one prove Ahmad is a surname,there should be reference too,not making the two part of the name considering self as a family name,and given name.I am still not satisfied.Cheers.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 04:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you asked for my unbiased opinion, and I gave you my unbiased opinion. How she is named on TV or the news is irrelevant. As common practice in Pakistan is to use surnames, if you want to use anything else, the burden of proof that her last name is a patronymic is on you. Moreover, this discussion belongs on her own article, not on the book's. As I am not really involved in this dispute, I'll stay out of it. Best regards and happy editing. --Muhandes (talk) 11:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Railay Beach
Thank you for your thoughts regarding my contribution to the page about Railay Beach. You are right, I did not list any verifiable sources for the additions I made to the page, I simply wrote a few lines based on my personal experience of the place over the last thirty years. Inoffensive and wholly accurate, but you are free to remove them if you wish, although I can't see the advantage of denying readers a little more information. Strangely, If I had published those lines on another website first and provided a link to them, you probably wouldn't have removed them. Don't be afraid of original copy if it is harmless. As you can see, there are no verifiable sources listed for any of the other information listed in the paragraph that I edited, although you have allowed that to stand. The idea of Wikipedia is that the public can contribute and edit. Verifiable sources are certainly necessary when quoting people or stating hard facts about people that may cause offense or be misleading, but when describing the recent history of a well-known geographical region it isn't necessary. I am sure descriptions of the region very similar to mine could be unearthed from any reputable travel guide to southern Thailand, but I certainly don't have the time to track them down. For the same reason, this will be my last comment regarding the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.133.120.15 (talk) 04:47, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you see it this way. You must understand that any institute has its rules and guidelines, which are based on its purpose. The purpose of Wikipedia is not, as you said "that the public can contribute and edit" - that's the means by which the purpose is achieved. The purpose is to provide encyclopedic knowledge. such knowledge can only be provided if the information is verifiable. That's one one of the very basic policies of Wikipedia. I may add that I did spend 10 minutes looking for a source for the information before reverting it, but could not easily find one. I hope that despite your words you will find the time to add a reliable source, which may be more available to you. If not, indeed the loss is for our readers, but that's the price we need to pay. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 08:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:Welcome
Hi Muhandes, thanks for your words. I don´t edit at en:wp very often, just wikignome´s stuff. If you happen to go around es:wp, or need some help i´m here. Cya! Cheveri (talk) 07:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you need any help, feel free to contact me here. Happy editing on both Wikis, and welcome again. --Muhandes (talk) 08:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

editing
i didn't vandalize viviane westwood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.246.133 (talk) 13:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A person at that IP address made this edit, which they claimed to be correcting "spelling mistakes" and which was deemed, but several editors and administrators, to be nonconstructive. If that person is not you, I suggest you create an account so you can edit on your own name. --Muhandes (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Ruhet Genç
Dear friends of wikipedia,

My ex professor Ruhet Genç's name appeared few times here unfortunately we saw it to disappear. When I try to understand the reason wikipedia's criteria came into the scene. I was trying to play humble and save some space at the same time for a very well known personality not only in this part of the world but in the States, Canada and GErmany, as well. For him, I presume being in wikipedia is less important than being in action towards his students and publishing world, academia. When it comes to the criteria, he meets more than once.

1. Wikipedia criteria "2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level." He is awarded by TUBİTAK (The Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey. His paper which has been published by The Tohuku Journal of Experimental Medicine as a first paper with the name of Logistics Management and Coordination in Procurement Phase of Organ Transplantation. Minister of tourism awarded his work; "Tourism, media and strategic relations".

2. Criteria number 4 "Criterion 4 may be satisfied, for example, if the person has authored several books that are widely used as textbooks (or as a basis for a course) at multiple institutions of higher education." He has five books altogether, three in Turkey, which are widely used as text books at nationwide and two books in the US published by Amazon. Not mentioning book chapters that he has in Europe as well as in the US not only here in Turkey.

3.Criteria number 7 " The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." He is the author of all occupational magazines in the field of international logistics and transportation. by doing so he is frequently quoted in commercial media as an academical expert in his area. He is invited by TV channels (if he is at all available).

4. Criteria number 8."The person is or has been head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area." he is the coeditor of International Festival and Event Management magazine. also coeditor of Journal of Oeconomica published by University of Danibius.

Under this circumstances it is up to you to decide to enlighten others and may be make tehir life easier for them to find an ideal role model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Es Dziekuje (talk • contribs) 13:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You have asked exactly the same thing on July, and my answer from that date still applies. The discussion can be found here. Feel free to ask any questions after you read it. --Muhandes (talk) 13:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

is it okay if i make that kind of changes and put the article again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Es Dziekuje (talk • contribs) 09:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Definitely. And feel free to ask any questions. --Muhandes (talk) 09:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

thank you. hopefully it is fine now. Es Dziekuje (talk) 10:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Leader of the free world
Stop using funny templates on my talk. It will achieve you nothing.DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 18:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I warned you not to edit war. This was done as a curtsey, I could have just reported it after you made three reverts. I'm sorry that you see it as a funny template. Feel free to remove it if you acknowledge. --Muhandes (talk) 18:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

October 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DBSSURFER. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You are welcome to rephrase your comment as a civil criticism of the article. Thank you. ''Your recent edits included a direct attack on an editor based on his language. Please stop these sort of comments. And yes, i definitely am more fluent in english than you.'' DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 18:31, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Personal attack? Can you please show me where I attacked you in any way? --Muhandes (talk) 18:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You directly pointed to some language barrier that I definitely do not possess.DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 18:38, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * really, you took that as an attack? Did you look at my user page? English is my third language, I was referring to myself not understanding. Maybe you need to assume good faith a bit more? --Muhandes (talk) 18:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, sorry i did not understand your english. You probably are not even understanding about the 2nd reference linking to wikipedia itself i guess. Try checking the link and see where it goes.DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I already answered that on your talk page. My English isn't perfect, but I do have four years and 50,000 edits of experience, so I do know how a good citation looks. But feel free to ignore my experience. --Muhandes (talk) 18:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I had already noticed your 50,000 edits of experience before I started this discussion, however those edits are worthless if you cannot even provide valid arguments to prove why an article should be kept when it is clear the article has no meaning.DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 18:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's your opinion of the article, and other editors may not agree, which is why we have discussions. And having made many edits is also quite meaningless, I do not claim otherwise. It does give me just a bit more experience, that's all. But I had enough of this waste of time. You go ahead and do as you wish. --Muhandes (talk) 19:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Iritty
Mr. Muhandes. Please delete the whole article "Iritty". Nothing is having any source. Expecting your kind reply soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharath Pallikkal (talk • contribs) 16:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why, is it incorrect? --Muhandes (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Sir, "Correct" or "Incorrect" is a COMPLETELY DIFFERNT matter. Any of the sentence in "Iritty" does NOT HAVE any "SOURCE". Moreover, it is your "DUTY" sir, to save Wikipedia from Vandalism, Sir. Expecting Your Fast Reply Sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharath Pallikkal (talk • contribs) 08:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

since this is a continuation of a previous discussion it should be put on the same section. With your permission I am moving it back there.
 * Before going to the subject itself, I suggest you read this guideline on how to use a talk page. Specifically, please don't shout. I am willing to discuss things politely and civilly. Please also sign and date your contributions on talk pages.
 * For the matter itself, I must first correct some of your assumptions.
 * First, there is no duty on anyone. I am not employed by Wikipedia. I did not commit to anything when I joined. I do this entirely voluntarily.
 * Second, there is no vandalism involved. Unsourced information is not vandalism.
 * Third, I finally understood why you came to my talk page. You are not happy that here I reverted your edit of Iritty, where the entire article is unsourced. You don't understand the double standard. In the future I suggest you say so upfront rather than get yourself all worked up. Don't expect me to remember your specific edit out of the hundreds I do every day. This is just a suggestion, to ease communication in the future.
 * I will now try to explain, assuming you really want to understand the difference.
 * Here is a fact: Much of the information in Wikipedia is unsourced. Everyone with a pair of eyes can verify that. Here is another fact: all information should be sourced. Everyone with the slightest experience in Wikipedia knows about the verification policy, and specifically the words "To show that it is not original research, all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable, published source appropriate for the content in question". But let us read the second half of this sentence I just quoted: "but in practice you do not need to attribute everything. This policy requires that all quotations and anything challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed in the form of an inline citation that directly supports the material."
 * Since we are not dealing with a quotation, the question becomes, is the material "challenged or likely to be challenged"? Note that I did not revert all your edits, though none of them had any source. I reverted this specific edit. Why? Because unlike this edit which only described things anyone in the area can check, and no one has any reason to challenge, your edit said things like "Iritty is one of the major tourism destinations in Kannur district", "Aralam Farm(Aralam Farming Corporation Kerala Ltd.), the largest agricultural farm in Kerala" (my emphasis) etc. These facts which are no longer simple descriptive geography. They are facts which may, and one day are even likely to, be challenged. I therefore challenged them, by reverting your edit. If you feel there are other facts in the article which you would like to see a source for, go ahead and challenge them. That's why I asked you whether the article is incorrect. If there is incorrect material, it should be challenged. I hope this clarifies why there are no double standards involved. Different kinds of facts merit different treatment. Best regards and happy (reliably sourced) editing. --Muhandes (talk) 10:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Patrol survey invitation

 * Sorry, I don't patrol new pages. --Muhandes (talk) 09:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

reg. Editing Techofes Page
Hello sir, With due respect to your editing, I noticed that you completely revamped Techofes Article. I noticed that you had entirely reworked Stating it was an advertisement. However the information was 100% true and those events make the highlight of Techofes. I notice that Techofes is totally looking very simple and uninteresting for any new user to read.

If you do think your editing stands good, please refer Mood Indigo (festival), Spring Fest , Kurukshetra (technology management festival) , Shaastra !! These are only few of the many Culturaland Technical Fests that happen in and around my city. All these have to be completely edited as well. I wish you to undo the page to the Previous template and Contents. Also Everyone has included their Twitter and Facebook External Links ! I do not know why you had to remove it from our Article along. You have considerably further shortened our Article. Thankyou sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswath1991 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The information may have been 100% true, but it was promotional, unsourced and unencyclopedic. Thank you for the compliment though - articles should be simple. whoever gave you the idea that "simple and uninteresting" is bad? Advertisements need to be exciting and complex, but Wikipedia is not one. Wikipedia is most definitely not a tool to grab the attention of readers to your techfest. Yes, other bad articles exists, but that's not an excuse to create another bad article. I did not "shorten" the article. I removed material which was very obviously promotional, mostly unsoruced, and entirely unencyclopedic. If you have a specific piece of information which you can bring reliable sources for and is not promotional, we can discuss it. Otherwise, you have made no substantial claim. --Muhandes (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I would definitely request you to edit the other cultural and Techonological Festivals as well sir. Also you had removed celebrities off the content. However in The Hindu reference I provided, Vikram and other celebrities names were very much mentioned. I do think my references were overlooked. There can be web references as well instead of only news references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswath1991 (talk • contribs) 08:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please sign your messages.
 * I'm afraid I can't fulfill that request as I have other things to do and not enough time. Feel free to edit those other articles yourself.
 * As for the celebrity mentions, I removed them since the had two problems. First, the only purpose of a section named "Celebrity Appearances" is to promote and praise the festival. It's one thing to describe each of the event and mention notable appearances, it's a totally different thing to have a section with all of them. Second, and more important, the source provided was a YouTube video, which at most could be used to verify one celebrity. Moreover, we usually don't use YouTube videos for verification. I'm not sure what you mean by "web references" – the only references allowed are from reliable sources. --Muhandes (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, I see you reviews on my actions on the pages I develop. Good work. I'm improving everyday and came across with different conditions on which you develop. Hope to get better in future. Lot to learn from you. --Shobhit Sharma (talk) 12:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. --Muhandes (talk) 10:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Regarding changes to the current state lists format. Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied there. --Muhandes (talk) 15:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Cite gold platin


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 * I was the one who put it on TfD, and I obviously have it on my watch list, so obviously, I know about it without this message. Thanks for letting me know anyway. --Muhandes (talk) 07:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thank you for the welcome! I wasn't logged in at the time I edited the All That Jazz (Breathe album) and added a certification. I have mainly been involved in translating articles from French wikis to English. But lately I find myself just correcting grammar. Thanks again! Puckeylut (talk) 01:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. --Muhandes (talk) 15:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Certifications update
Hello Muhandes! I just thought you should now that the RIAA website now displays the format of the title and whether it is a standard or Latin. Also, the Mexican AMPROFON hasn't updated certifications in over a year so the newer ones posted on the Top 100 Mexico similar to PROMUSICAE. Of course, the only problem is that the chart has to be manually archived. Erick (talk) 22:45, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Re: RIAA that's great, it was a nuisance to do it manually. Re: AMPROFON it's sad to hear, but as the chart is not automatically archived, there is little I can do to automate it. Thanks for letting me know anyway. --Muhandes (talk) 22:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted your quick opinion. How do you think Latin certifications should be written on an artists discography article? "Disco de Oro/Platino" or "Gold/Platinum (Latin)"? I'm unsure since on the Marc Anthony discography history, I don't know if I should go by what the RIAA says or to have what you put on the certification table when "Spanish=yes". Thanks Erick (talk) 19:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the term "Disco de Oro/Platino" is much less known, and we also don't use "Gold/Platin Schallplatten" for German certification, although that's the official name. That's why I used Gold/Platinum (Latin) which I think serves both purposes - readers are not surprised by the name, yet if someone wants to follow the link they can get more information. I think this logic can be applied to discographies too. --Muhandes (talk) 19:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, sounds good to me. I didn't want to get into any disputes with anybody. Thanks your input! Erick (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but this just came up and I would like to know your thoughts. Erick (talk) 01:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like official RIAA certification to me. I'll answer there. --Muhandes (talk) 06:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

reg. Editing Techofes Page
Sir, Students Association and Arts Society was founded officially in 1976. Techofes officially launched its first edition in the same year as well. There was a wrong information stating that it began in 2005. This information was pointed out and verified by our Dean M.Sekar, Anna University, and Vice Chancellor Dr. Mannar Jawahar. However a proof for 1976 is definitely not possible. Obviously no news channels would have covered the event in 1976. I am very sorry to have given you so much struggle. I am the Students Coordinator this year and I definitely would not provide wrong information. It is really looking bad when the page has to be changed back to a previous (wrong) version every time a change is being made. Hence I request you to allow this change. For every single line there cant be referenced cited. I assure you techofes'12 is the thirty-sixth edition — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswath1991 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion belongs on the page's talk page, not on my page. But since you asked I'll make a quick answer. As I keep telling you, and you keep ignoring, if you can't bring a source, don't list the fact. Or in the words of the verification policy, "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." I don't remember which source was the one which said 2005 was the first one, and I can't find it now, so I have no problem with removing all mention of establishment date. But you will need a reliable source for reinstating 1976. --Muhandes (talk) 08:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

NVPI
Hello Muhandes! I found a searchable database for NVPI certs (thanks to User:JohnFromPinckney. Thank you so much John!). Website:. <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 16:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great, it's simply the old database, they just changed address to ifpi.nl, so it's two seconds to fix :) Consider it done. --Muhandes (talk) 16:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, cite certification and Certification Table Entry now work with the old/new database. --Muhandes (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. The certification templates are very useful :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 16:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Just did the gnomish thing. Happy editing! --Muhandes (talk) 15:01, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hello! I remember you were very helpful with the Confluence (journal) web page, adding logos and images to the article. Wondering if you can take a look at Lifelines (literary journal) and do the same. I can't seem to get the image of the journal up there, and your help with the templates was very helpful. Thanks in advance. Jimsteele9999 (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a cover I found on the website. Need anything else? --Muhandes (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That helps a lot. If you can add to the info box the way you did with the other journal, that'd be great. Another challenge: Vermillion Literary Project needs an image, but I can't find one. Only a group. Can you find one or at least make what is available work?Jimsteele9999 (talk) 00:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I added all the information I could find to Lifelines (literary journal). I couldn't create a useful image for Vermillion Literary Project Magazine, the images are too small. If you have a copy, scan it. --Muhandes (talk) 08:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

ALBUMCAPS
I am quite confused on the stance of ALBUMCAPS. When I made the mass changes earlier this year, I got into trouble because apparently, it went against WP:UE. Then when the discussion was brought up again in August, it was only talking about the titles of albums and songs in the article rather than the article title. I brought this up at the WT:Albums some weeks ago but have yet to get a response. Erick (talk) 18:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't remember that discussion, I just do what I think is right. As far as I know that the name of the article should always be the same as the name used in the lead, and they should both follow WP:ALBUMCAPS. WP:UE applies for things that have a name in English and also in another language, it does not apply to things that only have a name in a foreign language. Is there some specific edit I made which bothers you? --Muhandes (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed it when you moved Drama y luz. The whole discussion can be found right here. Erick (talk) 22:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I just read that discussion and my conclusion is the same: I don't see where WP:UE says that one should force English capitalization of a foreign language, on the title or anywhere else. You are saying you got into some trouble, but I'm not sure where and on what articles. Anyway, the last thing I want is to get into some argument. So if you think this is controversial, don't change the article title. --Muhandes (talk) 23:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I was just worried. Erick (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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