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There is a disagreement about the origins of John Hunyadi and an admin told us to address here. - In the current form it is said he was "Hunyadi is a Hungarian noble family — according to most sources — of Romanian origin. ", - I consider that we should write "Hunyadi is a Hungarian noble family of Romanian origin." , and the assertion that he was Cuman / Magyar is only a Fringe theory

Medieval source:

From the John Hunyadi current article" Fejer, Georgius. Genus et incunabula Joannis, regni Hungariae Gubernatoris. Magyar Orszagos Leveltar. Buda, 1844. See link: http://www.arcanum.hu/mol/lpext.dll/fejer/33f4/3598/35fb?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0

Contemporary sources

1. "it may be taken as proved that the family of Hunyadi was of Rumanian origin" Catholic Encyclopedia    (neutral source)

2. "a petty Transylvanian nobleman of Romanian descent, Hunyadi" Babinger, Franz. et al. Mehmed the Conqueror and His Time. Princeton University Press. 2nd Edition. 1992. page. 20 (neutral source)

3. "He had risen from small beginnings; son of a lesser noble of Vlach origin" Macartney, C. A.: Hungary - A Short History  http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/macartney/macartney06.htm (neutral source)

4. "Though of Vlach descent, Janos was a Magyar magnate from Transylvania,"

 Hungary, a nation of contradictionsBy Iván Völgyes (Hungarian source)

5. "Johannes de Hunyad may equally be called Iancu de Hunedoara (Romanian) or János Hunyadi (Hungarian), because he was born a Romanian, but became a Hungarian nobleman and also regent of Hungary.” The realm of St. Stephen: a history of medieval Hungary, 895-1526 - Pál Engel,Pal Engel,Andrew Ayton,Tamás Pálosfalvi [] (Hungarian source)

6. "a Magyarized Romanian from Transylvania, János Hunyadi, became regent of Hungary." Ronald D. Bachman, ed. Romania: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1989 http://countrystudies.us/romania/8.htm (neutral source)

7. "son of a lesser noble of Vlach origin"  Hungary; a short history By Carlile Aylmer Macartney (neutral source)

8.“Hunyadi was a descendant of a Vlach (Romanian) noble family that had moved to Hungary." A History of Hungary‎ Peter F. Sugar, Péter Hanák, Tibor Frank - History - 1994 page 63 (Hungarian source)

9."Although some Hungarian historians have tried to disprove that the Hunyadi family was of Vlach (Wallachian) origin, the overwhelming evidence supports the view that they indeed were not Magyars, but rose in the service of the Hungarian king, received nobility, intermarried with Magyar noble families, and thus rose to prominence."  (Hungarian source)

10.“Hungarian general and regent. The son of a Romanian noble granted the estate of Hunyadi in Transylnvaia by King Sigismund…” [Sandler, Stanley. Ground Warfare, an International Encyclopedia, Volume 3. p. 391. http://books.google.ca/books?id=L_xxOM85bD8C&pg=PT427&dq=] (neutral source)

11.“On the face of it, his father was a Wallachian (Romanian) knight who was awarded the Transylvanian fortress of Vajda-Hunyad for his services to King Sigismund and henceforth went under the name of Hunyadi.” [Bodeleux. Robert and Jeffries, Ian. A History of Eastern Europe: Crisis and Change. P. 197. http://books.google.ca/books?id=6Eh9KQTrOckC&pg=PA197&dq=] (neutral source)

12. “The glorious political and military career of Matthias’s father John Hunyadi marked the social rise of this Romanian family of lesser nobility.” [Vauchez, Andre et al. Encyclopedia of the Middle Ages, Volume 1. Routledge Publishing. 2000. p. 706. http://books.google.com/books?id=qtgotOF0MKQC&pg=PA706&dq=] (neutral source)

13. “Nevertheless, a warlike Romanian elite led by regional voivodes and knyazates still existed around Maramures and other parts of eastern Transylvania, defending these regions against nomad infiltrations well into the 14th century. The great Hunyadi Janos came from such a background.” [Nicolle, David and McBride, Angus. Hungary and the Fall of Eastern Europe, 1000-1568. p. 11. http://books.google.ca/books?id=PmZmOkfkr9oC&pg=PA11&dq=] (neutral source)

14.“Led by their greatest general, János Hunyadi, a Magyarized Romanian noble from Transylvania, in 1441 and 1442 they attacked Murad’s skeleton Balkan forces and penetrated deep into Ottoman territory.” [Hupchick, Dennis P. The Balkans : From Constantinople to Communism. New York, NY, USA: Palgrave Macmillan, 2001. p 116.] (neutral source)

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16.“John Hunyadi's Romanian origins were not forgotten. Quite apart from the “de Hunyad” name, foreign historical narratives often refer to him as “John the Romanian”.” [Tringli, István. “King Matthias and the Medieval Hungarian State”. The Hungarian Quarterly, 190, 2008. http://www.eurozine.com/journals/hq/issue/2008-07-03.html] (neutral source)

17."Vlach father" (note: "vlach" is the exonym for "Romanian") East Central Europe in the Middle Ages, 1000-1500 By Jean W. Sedlar [] "Vlach father"

18 "Hunyadi azonban megmenekült, mert át tudta vágni magát az ellenséges ... bevándorolt Hunyadi Vajk vlach kenéz" A két Hunyadi‎ - Page 50 Dezső Dümmerth - History - 1985 - 277 pages (note: "vlach" is the exonym for "Romanian") [] (Hungarian source)

19. "It is hardly coincidental that the mass ennoblement of Romanian cnezes is linked to the name of János Hunyadi, for this great general had grown up among them and understood their aspirations" http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/84.html "History of Transylvania" and is written by "INSTITUTE OF HISTORY OF THE HUNGARIAN ACADEMY OF SCIENCES". (neutral source)

20. Encyclopædia Britannica |http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/277182/Janos-Hunyadi "Janos Hunyadi"]

21. The Encyclopedia Americana, Volume 23‎ - Page 669 Janos Hunyadi ( John of Hunedoara), the governor of Transylvania, who was of Romanian origin; (neutral source)

19 "son of Vajk, a Vlach" http://books.google.com/books?id=8OQ4AAAAIAAJ&q=hunyadi+vlach&dq=hunyadi+vlach&lr=&cd=23

History of the Hungarian nation By Domokos G. Kosáry, Steven Béla Várdy, Danubian Research Center (Hungarian source)

22. http://books.google.com/books?id=xzoKb-ne-vMC&pg=PA96&dq=%22The+case+of+John+Hunyadi+also+proves+that+in+Hungary+foreign+origin+has+never+been+a+hindrance+to+%22&cd=2#v=snippet&q=%22john%20Hunyadi%20%27s%20father%22&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.117.155.99 (talk) 07:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

23. "the son of a Romanian noble" Ground warfare: an international encyclopedia, Volume 1  By Stanley Sandler  (neutral source)

24. "the indisputable Romanian origin of John Hunyadi"

25. "Hungary's greatest military figure, John *Hunyadi, a native of Transylvania born to a family of lesser nobility of Romanian origin" ( Encyclopedia of the Middle Ages)

26. "John Hunyadi, a Hungarian nobleman of Romanian descent, led Hungarians in defeating the Ottoman Empire in 1456" ( Encyclopedia of Slavic Myth and Legend:

27. "his father was a Wallachian (Romanian) knight" ( A history of eastern Europe: crisis and change De Robert Bideleux,Ian Jeffries)

28. "Even though Biondo knows of the Rumanian descent of János Hunyadi" http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/chk/chk01.pdf (Hungarian source)

"hunyadi was a descendant of a Vlach(Romanian) noble family" http://books.google.ro/books?id=SKwmGQCT0MAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=A+History+of+Hungary++De+Peter+F.+Sugar,P%C3%A9ter+Han%C3%A1k,Tibor+Frank&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false] A History of Hungary‎ Peter F. Sugar, Péter Hanák, Tibor Frank - History - 1994 page 63 (Hungarian source)

Not to talk about Romanian history books, which also claim Romanian ancestry.