User talk:Muromec~enwiki

"August 17 Through September" - Paragraph I deleted was restored
We could blend this paragraph into the second one with the NYT source as stating he had to cut them off because of a hard commercial break, and the second time because it was at the end of the program. Here in the US commercials are scheduled and will go to commercial whether the discussion is over or not. I've seen it happen hundreds of times. I also saw this interview live and there was nothing sinister about it. He had to break, he even invited them back after the break to finish the aunt's thoughts. I have NEVER seen this happen on this show before and I've watched it for years. Please read the NYT article which is a legitimate source. Let's see what we can do to make this a more encyclopedia type of work with sources as opposed to personal opinions. Jason3777 (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

One more comment: let's try to work together on fixing this section. I really think we can do it but we have to have sources. If you can find the video for the dubbed interview featured on Russian Television stations that were referred to in the NYT article, it would be a big help! Let's see how the interview dubbed in Russian and the original in English differ. I think this is very important. I found the original Fox News video on the Fox website, do you think you can find the dubbed Russian version so that we can see how it compares the the Fox video. I think this is a very important video to be included. It would also reflect the accuracy of the NYT article referenced in the next paragraph. Do you think you can find it? Thanks! Jason3777 (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, I think we can do this rewrite. But it has to be sourced (and the NYT article was written by a Pulitzer prize reporter, look him up on Wiki), he has a good reputation. I don't trust the media but I do trust certain anchors of some programs and some writers of the articles. It is not so much as the words, but a lack of sources to support them. Quoting the audio is fine, because it is the source of the comments. I think we can do this! And I totally agree that the incident should be mentioned first for flow then bring up the various sourced opinions. Frankly, this section is a mess!!! Let's fix it up right! I'll work on it tomorrow. I am very glad we both are willing to work together. I believe it is a very important section. I am looking very forward to working with you. I really believe we can clean this article up to encyclopedia standards! Jason3777 (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude... this section is a mess down to Der Spiegel (it's probably a mess after that too, but I don't dare look). First, the interview occurred on August 13, but the controversy did not start until after this. I hope you are fluent in Russian, because I'm going to need some help with finding out when this controversy started, as well as finding the dubbed Russian version of the interview discussed by the NYT article - this video is VERY important in the paragraph. Are you familiar with the Russian version(s) of YouTube? We need these Russian sources. I really hope you are fluent in Russian.


 * I'm working on rewriting this part of the section of the article with your statements deeply in consideration (I have a B.A. in English Literature). I totally agree with you that the Fox interview is the primary source and I am consulting Wiki's MoS, etc. a hell of a lot. So if you can find the Russian sources, it would really help. When I get the first part of the draft down, I'll post it on my talk page. And if you have any additional comments or suggestions, please post them on my talk page. Later, Jason3777 (talk) 22:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you ever find the dubbed Russian version mentioned in the NYT article? It would be really be great to compare the the original Fox News interview compared to the Russian dubbed version. Is it on any Russian media websites? I tried to find it but couldn't (I don't read or speak Russian). Sorry it took so long to get back to you but we've had a hell of a tropical weather string here.... Jason3777 (talk) 03:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Fox News
Привет, Muromec. Я рад, что ты отозвался о намеренном прерывании осетинской девочки Аманды Кокоевы во время американской передачи. В комментарий к этой правке ты написал, что восстанавливаешь ее. Однако, в верхней чести той же статьи она уже упомянута ("до 17 августа", это произошло 13 августа), так что я объединил обе, равно как и их источники. Более того, я добавил имена девочки и ее тети. Пиши, если возникли какие-то возражения с твоей стороны. Bogorm (talk) 13:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Disinformation campaign during the 2008 South Ossetian war
We gotta do something about this section. You wrote the following sentence and the words are still contained in the article "Let's remove words "cut off" and "cut short" with something like "the anchor had to interrupt to go for a commertial break". Sorry I took so long to get back to you, but Viva la Vida. Could you please help me fix the libelous Fox News video representation? I really don't want to be crude but this section is crap. I don't want Wikipedia to be sued just because of someone's distorted POV (see my comments on the discussion page). I really believe the words are propaganda and do not reflect the interview. Please check out what I wrote on the discussion page.

And for Bogorm (talk) above, I can translate text....

Later,

Jason3777 (talk) 05:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

One more thing - this has been on Wikipedia for months now and it is a blatant lie. Since September, I think it's gotten more untruthfull then when we started this conversation. Jason3777 (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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