User talk:Murry1975/Archive2

Ireland
Thanks for your kind words and for bringing this guideline to my attention, I wasn't aware of it until now. When I come across instances of Republic of Ireland I'll try and remember to pipe them to Ireland. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * But don't get too enthusiastic. Geographical and historic features should stay as Ireland, there is no need for the political qualification. --Red King (talk) 23:08, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Red King, IMOS states "When referring to places and settlements in the Republic of Ireland in the introduction to articles (and in elements such as info boxes), use Ireland not Ireland or Republic of Ireland (e.g. "Cork is a city in Ireland").PLACES can be defined as islands and historical places, whether you call them features or not they are still places.Cork the example has the historic feature of the English market what way would that be addressed? Murry1975 (talk) 23:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Red King is wrong on this issue. Also Mattythewhite just make sure you understand the IMOS policy on the use of the Republic of Ireland pipe-link - Republic of Ireland must be used un-piped when mention is also made to the island of Ireland so as to avoid confusion. Mabuska (talk) 00:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers Mabuska. Will give you a shout on your talk page about something I came across if you dont mind .Murry1975 (talk) 02:07, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Change to Setanta comment
I replaced an insult with a different word. Setanta has expressed no opposition to that.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 18:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesnt matter what he has or has not expressed. It changes the comment.Murry1975 (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sean Quinn
Thanks for the tidy up. I probably edited the lead too quickly this morning and just wanted to ensure it did not allege that he is a bankrupt when that is not technically true. FrankFlanagan (talk) 18:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I was just thinking had anyone updated it, gave it a quick glance and moved a couple of things, hope you dont mind.Murry1975 (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all, it reads better.FrankFlanagan (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Murry1975 (talk) 19:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

IMDb
This site is highly disputed as a WP:RS for biographical info. An alternative source would be recommended, if available. (search 'IMDb' at Reliable sources/Noticeboard 'archives' for past discussions). Best. RashersTierney (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Her website only lists the month of her birth not the date, I can only find mirror sites of wiki or IMDB for other refs, and these can not be used either. Would using only the month br ok?Murry1975 (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Her website gives the year. That is as close as I can get (G-book search). The dob was queried with this edit. Perhaps you could drop the editor a note? RashersTierney (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes your right her website only gives the year. What should I say, that IMDb lists it as this but her website only year, leave it year only until another source could be found?Murry1975 (talk) 17:52, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.paulinemclynn.com/site/blog/polar, will use this ref off her blog on her website.
 * http://www.paulinemclynn.com/site/blog/elderlyMurry1975 (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Put in two refs one for her date of birth and the other for the year.Murry1975 (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we can all understand the humour. First ref. alone should be fine, perhaps with the above pasted to the article Talk. If the year is actually contested the second can be applied too. RashersTierney (talk) 19:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Nice fix
Nice fix. RashersTierney (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was trying it when I spotted it earlier before RA got to it and then reverted, its a fault with the map labelling. I tried the Ireland but it was the full wording.Murry1975 (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Scottish Division One
Actually, per WP:BURDEN "You may remove any material lacking a reliable source that directly supports it (although an alternate procedure would be to add a citation needed tag)." It is quite clear that the Ayr United source militates against the inclusion of SFL1 on the "fully pro" list. SFL1 was never on the list until last year when it was edit-warred in by sectarian editors with a COI. EW shuts down debate by flooding talk pages with reams and reams of repetitive, pidgin-English spam. You seem to have sampled his various other antics yesterday! PorridgeGobbler (talk) 20:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the notice at the top of the page. Murry1975 (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Formal Apology
First of all i want to apologise to you completely you did not deserve to have this happen. Ill explain the irish thing. There was discussions regarding ireland league shortly before the scottish one in which an Ip behaved in the same manor when it was explained to them the irish league is no where near pro. Then shortly after he started on the Scottish leagues. He was constantly asked to discuss the issue. He would speak for a short time and when it went the other way he would stop discussing and either remove the SFL1 from the page or add disputed tags when reverted he would edit war over it. Eventually he would restart the discussion and it would go the same way and he would restart. They then started leaving messages on my talk page and other members mainly having ago to do with nationality. he also started prodding articles from years ago that clearly meet the guideline and edit warred on the Ayr united page adding information to the lead that did not belong another edit war. After august the Ip edits and porridge disappeared and every now and then there would be an edit to pages with another attack even when the debate wasn't about scotland it could be anything.

There has been so many debates in a short period of time its ridiculous. The time for debate will be at the end of the season because now there is no point in change half way through a season when its been discussed to death. When its only one team thats semi pro as Raith clearly state they are pro, using youth players is standard practice at any club. Its borderline which is why at every discussion nothing changed it was always deemed common sense was needed and it was a notable league. I proposed a new scheme as did a few others that would look at press coverage, attendances and other factors that would likely give a better impression of notability. No one wanted it. My personal thoughts at the time was that that would likely remove divisions but include ones that currently miss out maybe even the irish league. No one wanted it because they felt it was an over reaction to a borderline case. If it wasn't borderline then there would be no debate necessary. Im really sorry you got involved and i hope you are willing to forgive and forget here. i was so upset that he had started again with two attacks in the space of a few Hours. for some reason my account block won't work so I've decided to edit other things other things for a whilst. Ill take part in the discussion thats ongoing but its going no where unless other members respond. Edinburgh  Wanderer  20:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * And he does it again above sectarian honestly.


 * EdWand as I stated on the SPI I know you are a good editor who contributes well. I had the misfortune of walking into the discussion with an opposite view similar to the editor in question who did indicate that he was an account who was using an IP. We can leave it lie. I dont see how the SPI will affect me, the above editor as far as I know will keep going until he goes wrong some where. I have read some of your comments on pages and I would like to say you commented on "winning", which is something I have came across before. This is a symptom of the effects of gamers of the system on other editors, like yourself. Trolls and gamers wear the best meaning editors down and then the only people that suffer are the ones trying for sense. I have only been on here 8 months editing for 5 yet there are times I actively avoid wiki or when I am on certain subjects to avoid conflict. I can understand the effects that the behaviour of others can have. My advice, which is garnered from life not wiki, is to look after yourself, forget wiki, forget me, forget the other editors and understand wiki will be here when you are not, I found that out in life the hardway, I would advise you not to do the same. Leave the bickering and BS, enjoy yourself and come back with the knowledge you have had a nice day (or even a nice relaxing cup of tea) and someone else has been screaming at text on a screen. Take care.Murry1975 (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Ive formally stated on the ANI that i do not suspect you and withdraw the claim. I genuinely am sorry. He decided to take me to ANi and then started the same behaviour as last time and is blocked for now. He will be back I'm sure. Edinburgh  Wanderer  00:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry SPI Edinburgh  Wanderer  00:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah his comment above shows a lot in a little space of time. He hasnt been on very long and knows the system well, better than I do, but I wouldnt be surprised if he comes back and gets block again.Murry1975 (talk) 11:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Review
I've drafted a new UDR intro section for review. If you have any comments you can leave them on the page: link Kernel Saunters (talk) 10:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

IMOS & airport
Replied on my page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Was glad that we were able to arrive at an amicable compromise. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That is the way we are meant to work bud. Help and be helped, some on here seem to have an inversion to that principle. I did make a grammar adjustment on it, state is meant to be uncapitalized. Murry1975 (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

86.46.145.164
Could you explain to me why Stephen McPhail, who was raised in Ireland is referred to as an "English footballer" and "from Westminster" even though as I have explained myriad times, he is an Irish international? Could you then explain why Eamon Zayed who was born and bred in Ireland is referred to as a Libyan person? Why do you keep interfering with my edits? Is it a case of national identity? What is the problem? Just want a decent answer as to why you are using your degree in Wikipediology to interfere with all my edits. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.145.164 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 3 February 2012 ,


 * Could you explain to me how you stated you would stop vandalizing wiki "believe I have been blocked for improper reasons. I merely edited the Wikipedia page of Stephen McPhail to correct the fact that he isn't FROM Westminster. He is FROM Dublin. He is not ENGLISH. He is IRISH. He was merely born in Westminster. The Clash' lead singer, Joe Strummer was born in Turkey. Maybe you should edit his Wikipedia page, to state that he is Turkish. Otherwise, it is upsetting to see Irish people referred to as Irish. I would simply like my privileges back, so I can edit football stats. I will do nothing else. I would be much obliged." and yet continue doing the same over and over? Alex Pearce, according to you is Irish- even though he has never played you are trying to give him an international career yet trying to end Paul Greens and Kevin Kilbane's?
 * There are guidelines to follow on here and you seem to ignore them, how many bans?Murry1975 (talk) 23:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Murry1975, thanks for putting a good word in for me with reference to the Carlingford Lough incident. Bjmullan (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Bjmullan, I thaught it was an odd block with what the troubles template states. HJ stated what way he read it, there was nothing else to do other than get clarification. Sorry it didnt turn out the way we would have liked it, as I stated I would have done the same, I guess we read it one way and HJ another. Domer has being trying to show past incidents of occurance to show it was a revert within the restrictions. Take care.Murry1975 (talk) 12:04, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Murry, I'd be very grateful if you checked out my Carlingford Lough contributions - very first effort, so probably lots of infringements DaveRoxburgh (talk) 20:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Carlingford Lough Dispute
I've given up hope on the Carlingford Lough Page. The term International was removed without consensus, but I'm sure if I reverted that, I'd be quoted 1RR and asked to start a discussion. So International has been removed, yet The border is piped to an international border, which apparently doesnt exist between NI and ROI, as NI is not considered a country by some. But when I suggest to make the same pipe from the location field:NI-ROI border, it is blocked, because apparently NI isnt a country, even though we are talking purely about location. Ohh and consistency doesnt matter anymore, apparently. Get reading Murry1975 and see what you think of respective arguments.Gravyring (talk) 23:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If consistencey matters to you why dont you call it the "Ireland-Northern Ireland Border"? Gravy you have to expect people to see somethings differently than you do. I am reading over the article it links to and the talkpages along with the editors who got banned history, on this and similar articles. There are a couple of crackers, but in fairness you should be reading over these and getting a more rounded approach to editing, not mainly on one article. As for your point on international that can be looked at several ways, mostly incorrect, but thats been ran over many times and follows a pattern of logic. Murry1975 (talk) 00:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You have left me confused. I thought that Republic of Ireland was to be used when referring to the state and Ireland when referencing the Island, so I am not sure how your suggestion would be consistent. My suggestion of Northern Ireland - Republic of Ireland border is consistent with the text the border. I have read countless articles on the topic so I feel I am well prepared to edit, 1 page at a time. If you read the talkpage, I do not see an overwhelming majority for removal of the international term. I know the discussion died 6 months ago but I am still not sure why you made the revert or even cared...Gravyring (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A couple of things, one- Ireland pipelinked to the article Republic of Ireland is used when there is no chance of confusion, its in IMOS. And two if have have read countless articles on the topic you missed that. The revert I made was to a blue link being turned red, which is what happened, some would label that as vandalism, it was done more than once, one the first account if it was me I would AGF but from then on I would have considered it vandalism, again after you readied yourself you missed that one.
 * From a logical view to have an international border you would need international status and recognition. NI does have these as part of the UK. So can NI truely have an international border? Can County Down? Or Louth? No. That was the premise of rejecting NI-ROI international border, nothing to do with whether NI is a country or not. If you want international in the lead go with UK-ROI if you want NI-ROI in the lead go without internatonal.
 * As for the infobox, where would you say it is? NI-ROI? UK-ROI? Its splitting hairs, the DR admin said it would be good to be more specific. But like everything on wiki this open to debate. Specifically how specific, to give readers and understanding? to give people with low level knowledge of Europe a grasp of the intricacies of Irish related geography and politics in one go? Wiki is an encyclopaedia and deals with many different levels of readers, keep it good, keep it accurate and keep it neutral.Murry1975 (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

OK to respond to your first point. If Northern Ireland does not have an international border with ROI, then why did you revert my removal of the pipe? Currently the border is piped to an international border', yet the lead goes on to say between NI to the north and ROI to the south''. So thats why I removed the pipe. Can you see now what I am getting at? As for the 2nd point, adding NI-ROI border as the location would only add accuracy to the article, so you cant really have an objection with that.Gravyring (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Ohh I think you have misinterpreted the IMOS as When referring to places and settlements in the Republic of Ireland in the introduction to articles (and in elements such as info boxes), use Ireland not Ireland or Republic of Ireland (e.g. "Cork is a city in Ireland"). In other places prefer use of Ireland, except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context or where confusion may arise. In such circumstances use Republic of Ireland (e.g. "Strabane is at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland")...so you can see why Ireland - Northern Ireland border wouldnt work.Gravyring (talk) 20:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The border is an international one, between the Uk and Ireland when phrased as such. You cant have an international border when you have one part that isnt international recognised, that would not be anyway encyclopeadic. The revert was that it brought the reader if they desired to the article of the border. Its, as I showed a point of which above, would you agree with the international border between Louth and Down? No its a county boder that just happens to form part of an international one.
 * I know IMOS and in particular WP:IRE-IRL very well. I was highlighing your biased grasp for accuarcy.
 * Please indent correctly.
 * I see you might need to read WP:HOUNDING judging by your recent edit history.
 * If you have nothing new or progresive to add here, please feel free not to. Thanks.Murry1975 (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Freindly suggestion, if you think you have a case bring it to an ANI. As stated above if you have nothing new or progressive dont post here.Murry1975 (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Murry1975, I word of advice: Don't feed the monster. Bjmullan (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Rugby
You're welcome. I didn't know the score, but checked it after you mentioned it - can't believe it was so bad!. Maybe next year? Denisarona (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Saint Patrick's Day
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrator's noticeboard regarding Edit warring. The thread is Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Saint_Patrick'_Day.The discussion is about the topic Saint Patrick's Day. Thank you. (This was as per your suggestion.) —-- Evertype·✆ 15:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My suggestion was you at the 3rr board ;). Murry1975 (talk) 15:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hello Murry, some of your recent edits have introduced inaccuracies. I refer to the ones where you've stated country of birth as Ireland. This is incorrect usage according to IMOS, except for people born prior to 1921 in Ireland. If a person is born in Northern Ireland after 1921 then this should be stated as their country of birth. Can you fix the articles. Thanks. Van Speijk (talk) 15:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No inaccuracies introduced. If I have could you show me where.Murry1975 (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you are refering to the football player artciles I changed the other day, NI is incorrect as it did not exist at the time of thier births, and using Ireland too is wrong as was done.Murry1975 (talk) 15:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake, I was getting confused over the dates. Van Speijk (talk) 11:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * NP.Murry1975 (talk) 12:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive IP
Yeah, I gathered as much he's seem active on 3 IP's the two I messaged about the Northern Ireland categories 88.111.186.59, 86.46.142.51 & 86.42.8.99. I made it quiet clear it would be considered vandalism if he did it again so I won't hesitate in giving him a more severe warning. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)