User talk:Murry1975/Archive3

Eddie Van Boxtel
Yes, you should list all football related AFDs at WP:Footy. More members will vote so you get a better concensus. With PRODs your not required to do so but it's certainly helpful if you do. Better to list them all so they can be checked so there's not articles deleted that meet criteria. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's best to use twinkle when nominating an article for deletion via AFD as it does 4 steps in 1 - AFD's the article, creates the deletion discussion, lists in today's log (step 3) & notifies the author, Extremely convenient. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Sean Connery played jimmy malone with a thick Scottish accent on purpose to show he was scots Irish,In james bond he played it with a british voice hes no idiot.Sean connery in the Daily Record co.uk in september 6 2008 by ian dow say he based the character on sergeant George gray a Fountainbridge scottish policemen and George Gray is very proud of this fact so i think since they call him irish in the film hes a scots irish american.Woody ty Woody ty (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well done he based his reading of the character on a person he knew. This does not make that character Scottish. He is not Scottish-Irish-American, and you have not shown a source for this claim " with a thick Scottish accent on purpose ". Now please read the welcome meesage on your page and the other links I have posted on the IPs used by and on the talkpage. Murry1975 (talk) 21:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Overlinking
I see you relinked Republic of Ireland in Ryan Air. Yet the topic is not essentially geographical, and adjacent to the well-known country-name is a link to Dublin airport. It is not usual to link common anglophone country-names, and MOSLINK discourages link bunching, with good reason. The Ireland style guide you referred to does not require linking, although it does link the examples it gives (which misleads editors, in my view). Tony  (talk)  01:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony the last time I had a chat with yourself was on WP:IMOS, and from then some of your edits contain both the uncommon name ie the description of the state and common name. The naming resolutions came from the ArbCom review on the Ireland naming issues. I understand the point of overlinking being removed, but I would suggest further dialogue on an Arbcom ruling if you like. Murry1975 (talk) 15:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As you managed to do on Bell X1, plese start following the relevant MOS not just the overlink one thanks. Murry1975 (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, I dont mean this in a bad way, but you on these two articles have called the state two common names. Are you running some automated bot for script that is inconsistant ? Could you explain to me how you are happy doing both? Murry1975 (talk) 15:36, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony I have just re-read the WP:IRE-IRL
 * When referring to places and settlements in the Republic of Ireland in the introduction to articles (and in elements such as info boxes), use Ireland not Ireland or Republic of Ireland
 * In other places prefer use of Ireland, except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context or where confusion may arise
 * "Yet the topic is not essentially geographical", the guideline doesnt mention such.
 * "It is not usual to link common anglophone country-names", usual but not undone when guidelines indicate such
 * "The Ireland style guide you referred to does not require linking, although it does link the examples it gives (which misleads editors, in my view). " your view and you also got feedback on your view on WP:IMOS before, where the consensus to follow on the way that was indecated from Arbcom's ruling on it. Now Tony I agree with some aspects of your view, but my personal preference has to ride behind what is guided, especially as since our last chat I have found out that anything if anything that comes from an arbcom ruling gets abused or ignored there is sanctions that may be enforced.
 * The only answer I want from yourself is why are you using two different common names when the common, official and formal name of the country (which you yourself have pointed out) is Ireland?
 * PS sorry about the stop start of the comment, I was looking at the horse racing.
 * Please feel free to comment and ask questions, as I said before the two guidelines should be mutually inclusive. Murry1975 (talk) 15:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Woody ty/Danny 80y
Thanks for removing that garbage from my alternate talk page. You got there before I ever even saw it. Cheers! ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 00:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was checking out what he was doing, very unconstructive comments and edits basically. Murry1975 (talk) 10:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I suspect we haven't heard the last of him. ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 13:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * SPI opened last week on Woody added Danny today. Hopefully some admin will close it soon. Murry1975 (talk) 14:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for initiating the SPI. I agree, though, that we will likely see him return in another guise.  Eternal vigilance!  Cheers! ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive  23:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers Duck. Will add more info. Murry1975 (talk) 18:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox
There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 01:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Paul Austin (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: IP evasion
Great idea, looks like it took some time. I'll help expand latter much appreciated. We'll be in a strong position should there be another case against him. Learnt something about AfDs myself yesterday. Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 11:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * One of his last edits was the accusation that my edits were racial motivated. To say something like that with no grounds for doing so, is absolutely opprobrious. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 12:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa hadn't noticed that edit, says it all really. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I read below & felt there was nothing I needed to add to your response, would have to agree seems he hasn't read any of the policies we have shown him. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I added disruptive action by 86.44.247.148 & 86.46.142.51 the latter being quiet substantial, should make your workload a bit easier, you may want to alter some of the titles I gave to the edits on the second one. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello!
Just a wee note to say thanks for the welcome!! Excuse my many mistakes as it is going to take a 'clem' (an East Donegal term for ejit!) like me a wee while to get used to being a Wikipedian! Thanks anyhow for the hearty welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laggan Boy (talk • contribs) 14:33, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Very irritated
When every Irish related edit I make is reverted, even when based in fact, you have to question if it is racially motivated to be honest.

Example 1 - Adding an "....... of Irish descent" for someone who is of Irish descent. Example 2 - Changing John Doe's nationality from English footballer to Irish footballer (seems fair if he plays for Ireland and not England) also seems fair considering every English born footballer that plays for eg. Scotland is referred to, simply as Scottish. Example 3 - What galls me the most is that Ireland is the only country in the world that doesn't have an eg. Irish footballers category. What is that about? I'm genuinely intrigued about that. Seems like a fair question doesn't it?

While I was trying to figure out why someone was going to the trouble of reverting my adding "Irish footballers" categories for Irish footballers (hardly a libellous offence), I wondered if it was something to do with confusion over Irish and Northern Irish. There is a category for Northern Irish footballers and people of Northern Ireland descent. There should be the same categories for Irish footballers and people of Irish descent. They are two separate countries, just like South Korea and North Korea (who both have eg. South Korean footballers and North Korean footballers categories).

Again, I implore you to tell me what is wrong with adding an Irish footballers category for Irish footballers? Just like there is a category for Welsh, Scottish, English, Togolese, Zambian footballers.

I'm still waiting for an answer.

Now, I have put forth an eloquent case for my argument and I believe I have been very patient about what is going on here. The least I expect is an explanation for the petulance and borderline harassment I have been subjected to by certain people.

Finally, I have not evaded IP bans and I would greatly appreciate it, if those blatant lies were not made and repeated without any basis in reality. Nor do I believe I should be blocked, because referring to an Irishman as an Irishman, a footballer as a footballer and a spade as a spade is not a banning offense and people's rights can not be abused willy nilly by people, out of spite and maliciousness.

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.253.129 (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Example 1 adding Irish decent, you have to source its true not assume. Follow WP:RS to add sources and read WP:OR to show what shouldnt be added.
 * Example 2. Changing English to Irish, the main problem you have here is just using Irish, there is nothing wrong with correcting such as long as they have played for Ireland- again it has to be souurced. Irish just leads to a disambiguatton page if linked like Irish. It needs more than that.
 * Example 3, there is that catergory!! [] not a clear cut catergory. and not to be confused with the one you are looking for [].
 * The problem arises when you remove sourced catergories, James McClean is indeed a footballer from Northern Ireland, whether he plays for the ROI or not he is still by encyclopeadic terms from there. Or adding Irish catergories, like Alex Pearce when he is not, he maybe in the future but until then it should stay as is.
 * Now on to the rest.
 * "When every Irish related edit I make is reverted, even when based in fact, you have to question if it is racially motivated to be honest.", well what can I say, oh yeah stop accusing editors who are cleaning up your misunderstandings of been racist, and an apology would be good. In the main stay as I am Irish, I will drop the politeness if you want and use language you would be very familiar with. But as I have seen you have used a racist comment I will just continue being polite and not take your bait. And you have to reference your facts, follow the links Monty left you on your talkpage of your previous IP.
 * And on the subject of rights what exactly do you think your rights on here are? Its an encyclopeadia not blog. By contributing to wiki you agree certain things, that the info you add or alter will be correct and sourced. That you wont make legal threats. That you wont attack other editors WP:NPA. That you wont add anything offencive to articles. That you will not use here to voice your opinions. You also dont own your own edits in articles.
 * "The least I expect is an explanation for the petulance and borderline harassment I have been subjected to by certain people.", not harassment by a long distance, if you dont follow guidelines with your edits and an editor comes across these that editor can check your contributions to ensure you have not done similar on other articles. Such as BLP vio's by removing sourced catergories or information or oppositely add unsourced cats or info. If you are feeling harassed you should look at your previous edits and see why they ae reverted, rather than just do them agian ask why on the talkpage, but as someone who has explained this to you previously and seen some good advice given to you by admins, I dont believe you have read the guidelines, which is why I posted them on your talkpage. They will help you understand wiki better if you read them.
 * As explained to you by BWilkins the block applies to you not the IP, and you are still breaching it now. You were not blocked for a catergory change or similar, you were blocked for a legal threat against myself, as per WP:NLT you were shown this and given advice on your talk page.
 * "out of spite and maliciousness", no out of effort for the project to ensure it is as accurate and unbiased as possible.
 * If you could leave your views behind WP:NPOV and contribute constructively that would help the project. If you continue at the present rate of knots nothing will come from the time you have put in here.
 * Read the links here and on your talkpage and sit out the rest of your block and when you come back edit in a productive way in collaboration with the other editors on here. Murry1975 (talk) 15:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Glasgow edit
I have no issue with describing County Donegal, in the Industrialisation section of the Glasgow article, as being in Ireland, which, of course, it is. I only used Ulster just to be a bit more specific. I would suggest, however, that 'Ireland' (as in the entire country) be used here instead of either 'Ireland' or 'Republic of Ireland' as most of these Donegal people emigrated to Glasgow before the new Irish state came into being in December 1922. Certainly, most had emigrated to the city before the Republic of Ireland came into being in April 1949. (Laggan Boy (talk) 17:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC))
 * I think reading over it that Donegal was added by someone as original research. Ulster is not specific its POV, you done it as an IP, you are still doing it. I will look into who added it, it might need to be removed. Murry1975 (talk) 17:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah yes I have found it WP:OR from 109.77.59.192 [here and here. I wonder who done that? Stop doing it. Stop adding OR and your POV and opinions to articles. [[User:Murry1975|Murry1975]] (talk) 17:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And dont deny it "Aye, I agree with the above comment. County Donegal is as much a part of Ulster as Belfast is! And that's from me, a native of East Donegal!" Murry1975 (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The Library is blocked for two years. And I raised your IPs on WP:IMOS before, well some of them. Stick to the guidelines. Murry1975 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Crikey! I did'nt mean to be so troublesome! I sincerely apologise. Will try to improve. Sorry once again. Laggan Boy (talk) 20:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL Laggan Boy, just stick within the guidelines. Its not that we know its what know its what we can show. You may have great knowledge of your area, but unless it can be referenced it shouldnt be added. Just remember that and the guidelines linked on your talkpage. You have been around long enough to know how it works and are showing a good ablity to interact and discuss now. Murry1975 (talk) 20:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Aye, true enough. Will definately try to improve. Laggan Boy (talk) 09:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Laggan Boy, the books you have on a wide range of history can be use to reference additions. This should be right up your street. The knowledge you have is a great asset on here as long as you can show where it came from. Your local knowledge can be good if you and only if you can source it. Just stick to the guidelines bud, use your historic books and enjoy the project you will get on very well here. Murry1975 (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, 'Mr. Murry', just 'checking in' to say 'Hello'!! I hope I'm managing to keep to the Wikipedia guidelines? I'm certainly making every effort to. Hope all is well with you, and thanks again for all your advice. I truely appreciate it. As I said before, it was never my intention to be so troublesome. I've certainly learned my lesson as regards the 'Ireland' v 'Ireland' issue! Whether I agree with it or not, I'm doing my very best to comply! Hope you are enjoyin' the great weather here at the mo? Very unusual for Ireland (all 32 counties)!! Talk to yah soon. (Laggan Boy (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC))

Ray Stevenson (actor)
I just looked at that article. I've never edited it, logged on or logged off. Van Speijk (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks for admitting you edit logged out. Its not against rules. Murry1975 (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Source it. Its that simple. Murry1975 (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * (ec)You must stop (mis)interpreting other people's comments. Oh, you mean like it's sourced now? Van Speijk (talk) 23:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Its sourced, if you believe badly I have no objections to better sources whether they agree with mine or not, as I said on the talkpage. Murry1975 (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

(ec):::Actually I'm not interested in the subject of Anglo/Irish actors so I won't be editing the article, but seriously, if it's an article you're interested in you should look for better sources. The ones being used right now are not good. Van Speijk (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not interested in? That says it all. Murry1975 (talk) 00:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:DICK
Hello Murry1975. left a comment on my page last week (here) asking for assistance regarding an exchange you had. I appreciate those particular discussions are stale, and I'm certainly not wishing to reignite anything. I don't do much administrative work these days, but having read through your comments I feel it is merited to leave a polite note requesting you to please refrain for using WP:DICK in reference to other people in future. The essay itself is very clear that there isn't any justification to use that link to hide a personal attack. You are certainly appear eloquent enough and experienced enough to discuss issues without resorting to name-calling, which simply inflames other editors. If you have issues with John particularly, there are other avenues to address them. I can certainly help you with those if need be. Thanks for your consideration. Rockpock e  t  11:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Rockpocket, it wasnt intended as a PA, as I stated at the the time. I felt he was being one, continually ignoring my comments, and misquuting me. He didnt read the discussions on the subject, the discussion thread he joined in on was on one example of IMOS and where it should be used, yet John misread it as a discussion on the legitimacy of it. As I asked on the talk page of Eoin Colfer, "I think from reading your comment you didnt know the difference between the name of the country and the name of the article of the country?", to which no reply came. Rockpocket IMO, anyone who ignores, points made to them, misqoutes and doesnt answer questions while being an experienced editor with over one hundreed thousand edits in six years is indeed being a WP:DICK. And no I dont think its an insult to remind anyone how they should behave on here. I hope that clears up the already stated fact that it wasnt a PA. Murry1975 (talk) 17:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I suspect John would have a different interpretation of those events, but its not my job to decide who is in the right or wrong over content disputes. I'll take you at your word that no personal attack was meant. However, I just think citing WP:DICK is never a good idea when refering to another editor, irrespective of motivation, as it very much comes across as a comment on the person (as John indicated). It really would be in everyone's interest in a collaborative project if that essay was deleted (or we all agreed to stop citing it). But no need to labour the point - I've said my bit and I'll leave you to your editing. Rockpock  e  t  11:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Murry1975 (talk) 16:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Your IP friend
Always hard to be certain that IPs are the same person, and "hopping" IPs is not a deliberate act, as many ISPs, evidently including Eircom, issue dynamic IPs.

You might be interested in user:86 D, a.k.a. user:Dermot 80, who has operated from IPs in the same range (86.44.69.166 and 86.46.23.24 at least), and edit in a similar mode. Kevin McE (talk) 08:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)