User talk:Murry1975/Archive8

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Hi Murry1975, I had requested that you discuss your edit here. Why did you go ahead and make the change again without consensus and without discussion? its really bad form. I am disputing your edit and your definition of 'same context'. Just discuss, please do not engage in slow edit war.Dubs boy (talk) 13:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:IMOS
As I am sure you are aware Ireland was part of the Union at the time of Lewis's; it was not seperate. I have not removed the link to him being born in Ireland and have therefore not infringed upon WP:IMOS. Your edit removes the link to the political Union that Ireland was once part of and therefore limits the usefulness of the page to those who are not 'clued-up' on British and Irish history and politics. I do hope this is not part of a WP:NOTHERE attempt on your part. Brough87 (talk) 16:25, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no comment whatsoever in the guidline that says that we should not link articles to the political entities in which individuals are born. Mark Twain's birthplace is listed as "Florida, Missouri, U.S.", Daniel O'Connell's links to the "Kingdom of Ireland"; and there are hundreds more examples like these ones. In this case, the Wikipedia Guidelines does not make any reference to the kind of edit I have made to C.S. Lewis's page, nor do the guidelines support your removal of that very edit. My addition adds to the usefulness of the page itself to users while at the same time does not infringe upon the community agreed guidelines for that related topic.
 * Citizenship and Nationality are exactly the same in any context, they both refer to the issue of whether you are part of a particular state or not. I have made those edits on every article I have come across that insists on the utilisation of the phrase "nationality"; that is not an example of WP:NOTHERE, that is simply a correction. Brough87 (talk) 17:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly for you your assertion about Burns does not support your position. In regards to the rest, this is my only account and the only I have ever had; do not trawl through the history of my talk page and then assert that I have another account. It does seem to me that you are now bordering on activism rather than anything beneficial to wikipedia. Brough87 (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Then me leave it on this for you, you're wrong. Brough87 (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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Inappropriate reversions
You deleted significant additions to the article in your reversion, and that is not appropriate. Moreover, there was not "consensus" to use English names. There was not enough discussion to observe "consensus". I agree that there should be more discussion. Please stop picking on Westport and Cathair na Mart. There were plenty of other English and non-English names on that particular page (where is Kemper?), and your reversions belie your own bias here, but you are not being thorough: You are only changing the names of a few books published in one place in Ireland. That is neither polite nor encyclopaedic. Will you agree that this is an issue for the Wikipedia as a whole, and agree that we should together try to achieve actual consensus on this question? In the meantime unless you are going to go clean up EVERY bibliography on the whole WIkipedia perhaps you could agree to leave this one alone until actual discussion and consensus is achieved. Thank you. -- Evertype·✆ 15:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

DTTR
If you don't want templated then don't go around assuming bad faith and making baseless accusations when you haven't even engaged on the articles talkpage. I expected better from you. Mabuska (talk) 11:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And I from you, considering you where one of the first editors I asked thier opinion of on here. I didnt assume bad faith, between yourself and Dubs boy, a misrepresntation of WP:IMOS and WP:MOS has been used to add Republic of Ireland through-out the article. If a list contains states, ie US and Canada, it should not contain regions ie England and NI, its in MOS when I have more time I will give the link to the section bud. As for context use of Ireland, this was well discussed on IMOS after Factocop edited on Odeon cinema, and is the exact same on the Hib article. Also consensus isnt achieved on an article talkpage for guidelines, just exceptions and this isnt one of them, in any context. Murry1975 (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I did nothing wrong. Canterbuty Tail did a partial revert of Dubs boy as he agreed with them that Dubs boy was right in regards to IMOS and looking at it he was after I disagreed with him at the start. The fact only one instance of it was argued over and altered by Dubs boy I found perplexing and made a note of on the articles talk page for the article contained quite a lot of what where thus violations of IMOS that needed amended not just the infobox entry. Thus for consistency I fixed them all for we can't say Republic of Ireland in one instance and Ireland in every other one as it creates confusion between state and island.
 * I'm sure you noticed I originally tried to "angle" (to use your terminology) the article so that Ireland could be used with only the UK being used for places in England and Northern Ireland.
 * In regards to constituent country or sovereign state, for now I will take the experienced viewpoint of the administrator Canterbury Tail in regards to matters of MOS and IMOS, until I'm pointed out otherwise. Mabuska (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I will admit the England/NI versus UK situation and consistency does need to be implemented in the operator locations section as it is inconsistent by using UK where above doesn't. Mabuska (talk) 22:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, the edit Canterbury Tails made to the lead was correct, but the changing en-masse of the style of list and infobox are both against the consensus/norm for these. I was going to pop back to it (but my shadow got there first) and edit it out of US state abbriviations aswell. Murry1975 (talk) 06:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I did originally keep UK at the end of the infobox entries seeing as the Nova Scotia and Massachusetts entries where links that included those states. Mabuska (talk) 10:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And I agree with that edit, it conforms and preforms. Mabuska its the later edits. I will sandbox the way it should look to conform to IMOS and MOS, have a look at when I finish it. Murry1975 (talk) 10:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Stephanie Roche
Hello again Murry1975! re. your edits to the Stephanie Roche article - there is no blanket ban on using tabloid sources in BLPs. WP:BLPSOURCES says "Material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism" which isn't quite the same thing. Now that there is another broadsheet source supporting the material I don't think it is necessary to remove the Daily Mirror interview. I look forward to you putting it back, many thanks Clavdia chauchat (talk) 20:02, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Read the talkpages on the BLP project.Try not to use, its fine the way it is now. Murry1975 (talk) 20:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Unconstructive User
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JMHamo

Any chance he could get a talking to for unconstructive editing, frivolously making page protection requests and ignoring requests to stop edit warring over timestamps?

He's constantly causing disruptions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.14.15 (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Has your last block expired or are you evading again? JMHamo (talk) 14:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Last frivolous block expired on 2 November. And I didn't even get more than one warning before last frivolous block, which I believe is the normal etiquette. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.14.15 (talk) 14:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I shall ask the blocking Admin to review your block again. JMHamo (talk) 14:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I made the edits from different house/place of work so I am not evading any blocks, unless you want to make up rules to the contrary? I also didn't receive any more than one warning before my last block. I also requested that you stop harassing me on this site (and Facebook) after you found my account on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.14.15 (talk) 15:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

JMHamo is also evasive when I bring up the fact that he is constantly causing disruptions on this site by following every edit I make, reverting edits for no reason http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Damien_Delaney&action=history, edit warring, making unwanted contact, causing dozens of pages to be locked because of his warring with other users..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.14.15 (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry JHamo, I have been and still am busy. I will get back to you on this when I get more time. As for the IP, stay off my page as requested. Murry1975 (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * IP has been block for two weeks, so problem solved for now. JMHamo (talk) 13:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * He will hope, edit like hell at the weekend. I will try to be around for some, cant make promises bud, but its getting beyond a joke with him, it needs long term solving. Murry1975 (talk) 13:58, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I am watching him and will get blocks for every IP if necessary. JMHamo (talk) 14:06, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I am one hundred percent in favour of registrar to edit on here, and this IP is a reason why. I would like to clarify there are thousands of IPs who do gnoming and add some great content on here at the same time, but my person opinion is registration for all. Murry1975 (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

This fucking clown keeps reverting my edits because I update appearances and put in correct timestamp. He's been fucking harassing me for three months. Get a grip of yourselves... fucking idiots.

I'm getting banned because of petty grudges. I'm not the one edit warring and you know it.

deletion of Back2Basics
Hi Murry1975,

Is see the page relating to my radio show was deleted before I had a chance to add insight which is relevant to my case for reinstatement. Mark erroneously called the show a regional one due to the fact that FM frequencies of stations it airs a regional. However, the majority of our listeners are international and through a very successful podcast of the show which is listened to through iTunes.

We've just hit 100,000 listeners per show on iTunes, which makes us one of the biggest dance music shows in the Ireland by listenership. These listeners are worldwide, therefore, we do not see us as a 'regional radio' as outlined in the deletion log. These numbers do not include our live listeners, which we have all over the country and the world via the webfeeds for both the radio stations we feature on. PodBean has this week notified us that is has now made us a featured PodCast and will promote the show in their music category. We've also had a number of national exclusives, such a Nile Rodgers from Chic and LA duo Classixx's first ever Irish interview. I am in the process of undertaking some media coverage in relation to out 100k figures and Podbean announcement, which I hope will help boost our adherence to notability guidelines and increase the references in the article. We are an international radio show that just happens to air on FM locally in Dublin, but most of our listeners are outside Ireland with the US and UK been the most common location. This is the way radio is moving and we are future proofing ourselves. Is it possible we can work on a restoration? Regards, Simon (a presenter on the show)


 * "We are an international radio show that just happens to air on FM locally in Dublin", its statements like that- these need references, qoutations - WP:RS is used for these. Also WP:COI, conflict of interest- you as a presenter should not be editing an article to do with yourself- your own article on here or the B2B one. It was a soft delete, adding the information to back the statements in the article would be good, but remember this is an encyclopedia not a newspaper or essay, and should only state clear unbiased referenced facts, not open statements and remarks, see WP:PUFF and WP:WEASEL WORDS. Murry1975 (talk) 16:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Outrageous.
Hello Murry1975, I note that there is no new nationality row started up yet. Wikipedia really has gone down the pan. Also, I saw your rant here so just thought I would come along and congratulate you on it ;). I'm also wondering why the last two archives aren't showing up on Talk:Northern Ireland...--Somchai Sun (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Somchai Sun, some have dipped thier toes in, but nothing yet (POV-pushers usually cant read well, so lets give them a day or two to figure out its not this guy). I was just wandering, which rant? lol. I have manually indexed the last two archives, dont know why they didnt get created by the bot. Murry1975 (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Was the water too cold for them? Without a full-blown talk page rant it seems a little halfhearted to be honest...poor POV pushers, not being able to read the giant wall of text on some talk pages is just beyond them. Ha, that Bacon...I may be related to him. Anyway, that rant would be...ah yes, (sorry, you've had a few!) the one in reply to the Indian-IP about how much of a British chauvinistic, neo-imperialistic article Northern Ireland is. He called the British Fish-and-Chip people, but I always prefer Chinese :( (And thanks for the fix) --Somchai Sun (talk) 10:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * lol, it is a fairly good article because its on so many watchlist and no BS or POV gets added- that one, yeah it was one of my more "loud" ones. Related to the other Bacon, sweet. Indian IPs pop up every now and again on here- cant remember which actor one IP want to say he was Irish, because in an interview he mentioned he was "half-Irish" or the like, fairly well know English actor- born breed and proud, yet this POV IP wanted to say he was Irish aswell, couldnt take the hint. RPP. "What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men". Murry1975 (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Every time I see an anonymous or new-user edit on any of the pages which have experienced raging nationality debates, I automatically think "Uhu, I bet I know what that edit was about"...Your rant was epic. Can I call (these editors in question) them for what they are? Please? Pretty please? Plastic P*****s. Sorry, terrible saying. This actor, I wonder who? No wait, the Uttar Pradesh IP? I know that one... I dread to think of what these people are like in person, if you dare bring up a topic they're sensitive to. Ha, rant over, sorry. That was a bit pointless. That's a good saying. --Somchai Sun (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Somchai Sun/Nationality It shall grow. --Somchai Sun (talk) 19:54, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Spike Milligan? lol Murry1975 (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * NO! NOT SPIKE! Please not Spike...why... (I wasn't aware of this one...)...Stop, let us pray! (that this madness will end...)--Somchai Sun (talk) 20:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What have the British ever done for us? Murry1975 (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Legobot archived the talkpage today. So I presume it worked. Murry1975 (talk) 11:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We gave you...er...TWO MEMBERS OF U2! Yeah that's it. And that's good, everyone can see your rants now in pristine archived form :P --Somchai Sun (talk) 14:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And we gave you one member of 1 direction, 1 member of Girls Aloud, sorry about that.... lol Murry1975 (talk) 14:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh God, please please PLEASE take them back. Actually my cousin won't let us, she's a huge one direction fan...--Somchai Sun (talk) 20:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The Family Rain
Noticed that the first reference on the Family Rain has "mysteriously" gone dead. Luck would have it that the page is archived

https://web.archive.org/web/20100709074804/http://www.tourdates.co.uk/rock-pirates

And luckily, whoever keeps trying to remove this information from the internet isn't able to control this archive entry!

Just noticed they have managed to get the text removed from the Classic Rock reference, which is also luckily archived

https://web.archive.org/web/20130718104739/http://archive.classicrockmagazine.com/view/february-2010/48/dark-horse

I personally don't understand why none of this persons accounts have been blocked? The proof is there that they have opened several Wiki account with the same requests to remove referenced facts, and are actively trying to get the references removed from the internet. It seems they made a request recently somewhere other than the talk page of the article, which resulted in someone removing the text yesterday without checking the hstory of the article - they must have made yet another account to do that.

92.8.25.152 (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

County Donegal
Hi, thanks for your message and, mea colpa!, I assumed that as the content had been there for quite some it was ok and I also assumed that Irish people didn't consider their near neighbours as true foreigners. Sorry. Denisarona (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes.
I am deeply proud of the article I skillfully created the other day, thanking you (hurrr, on a side note, I work with a very sharp Irish woman! Hooray! Oh and "guess" the part of Ireland she comes from ;)) --Somchai Sun (talk) 20:58, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Laughed when I say your edit summary. Murry1975 (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking back, I can see why. *AHEM*.--Somchai Sun (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Michael Fassbender's Independent Spirit Award
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/11/26/independent-spirit-awards-12-years-a-slave-and-nebraska-lead-nominations/

If you won't let me edit it, please do it yourself because it's all ready confirmed that Fassbender received the nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alternative595 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Its not pending then its nominated, pending would mean he is going to win it. And some other person has made the same mistake. Murry1975 (talk) 19:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

All you had to do was correct my mistake, deleting it was completely useless. And I put down pending because the winner has not yet been announced and it COULD very well be Michael Fassbender.
 * "deleting it was completely useless", read WP:BLP, if it aint cited it should be removed, also read WP:CRYSTAL, he might win it, but might not, so PENDING was totally wrong, so your edit was poor in more ways than one. Murry1975 (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

The hell?
I just noticed the silliness with that IP is continuing! Can you go down to Dublin and buy him/her a pint so they'll chill out??!! Take them to the "Leprechaun museum" too.--Somchai Sun (talk) 19:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * lol That "museum". I think I might have missed his, and it is a he, most recent ones, nothing major has showed up on my watch list. Murry1975 (talk) 19:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * My brother once bought a "Leprechaun in a can" from Co. Wicklow... Well, that's fortunate...or maybe not, as this IP is way out of line (and acts with a serious "I didn't hear that" attitude!). Also this is infuriating! I wonder if it's the singer in question..?--Somchai Sun (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Dougweller (talk) 05:30, 30 December 2013 (UTC)