User talk:Mursel/Archive 3







Azerbaijan Map
check talk page for my response. MosMusy (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Respond to the map issue, I don't want this to turn into an edit war, but if there is no response than the map will be replaced. MosMusy (talk) 11:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Re:
I've contacted Onnik Krikorian to provide us with more details regarding the circumstances in which that photo was taken. It should be noted that Krikorian is not just a blogger but a photojournalist who has written articles for numerous news agencies and organizations, including the Los Angeles Times, the BBC, and UNICEF (see his profile here), so he qualifies as a reliable source to be providing us with such information.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted my answer on the talkpage of NK war. This is not the place to discuss it.Neftchi (talk) 21:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

the template
ok mate I removed the pictures from the template as you asked me. I think it looks a bit empty now though.--LK (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your swift assistance. Neftchi (talk) 11:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Stepanakert Airport. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Its a fair warning. I posted my answer on the discussion page. Neftchi (talk) 11:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been notified that according to this warning here, which is apparently still in effect, you are not allowed to make more than a single revert on a page per day.
 * Revert 1 as of 16:14, 20 May 2011
 * Revert 2 as of 17:45, 20 May 2011
 * Appears as 1RR violation to me. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear Agada, that warning is no longer in effect. I was placed under 1RR for 4 months on 21 December 2009, see here (just search for my name). That time has long expired. It shows Im not in violation of anything. Neftchi (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarification, no violation then. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 20:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Problem file on Azerbaijan
File:Transheya.jpg on the Azerbaijan article is a a copyrighted image with no fair use rationale for the article. I promoted it to GA without noticing this. Can you fix it? D oh5678 Talk  10:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for your response. I posted my answer on your talkpage so we dont have to jump from pages. Neftchi (talk) 11:16, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Final warning
I think there's no reason for me to remind you of Moreschi's warning that you must desist from making drive-by reverts. And yet, here we are. I never came across your name in the discussion on the talk page of Vank and so I find it rather strange that you just continue to make these drive-by reverts without even adding anything useful (one sentence explainations on the talk page do not count as presenting your arguments) to the talk page. Your most recent edit on the Armenian Highland article was an example of a tendentious interpretation of the sources presented there. I, as well as many other editors and administrators, have indulged in these kind of disruptive edits by you for too long a time but I you are not entitled to a free pass and have no right to make such harmful edits. The next time you make one of these edits, please note that I shall have no qualms in filing an arbitration enforcement case against you. Consider this your final warning.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * And I remind you not to make any further personal threats or ungrounded accusations against me. You have been harrasing me for too much. Enough is enough, or I will report you. The naming of the village has been discussed on the talk page of Vankli. Yet you did it again. You moved the Vankli page eventhough you were fully aware of the discussions and the reached consensus. So I moved the page back, nothing special here. It is in fact you, who is out of line. As I pointed out earlier, you did a sneaky move without discussion or whatsoever. Such edits are not acceptable, and you know this.
 * As for the Armenian highland, it is obvious to everybody that NKR does not belong in the infobox. It is not as independent state as the others. You also havent added other seperatist states as Ossetia and Abkhazia to the list. Also none of the sources support the mention of NKR nor is NKR even mentioned in the text body of the article. It goes to show that this is your personal opinion. But such POV pushing is not acceptable in wikipedia. Neftchi (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

re Levon Ter-Petrossian sentence in NK war
I don't see how this is a situation that needs either administrative or outside assistance. Move it if he's correct, discuss it if he's not. --Golbez (talk) 20:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan article
I added links from the Milli Məclisi website regarding the arms and flag of Azerbaijan. I remember the last time I went to FAC, they wanted a link showing the flag and arms are correct (but not sure about detailed specifications). If anyone does ask, the law published on the Milli Məclisi website has specifications and there is a document called "AZS 001-2006. Azərbaycan Respublikasının Dövlət Bayrağı. Texniki şərtlər." from http://www.azstand.gov.az/index.php?id=29&sub_id=47&stid=1&lang=3 that I been trying to get for a while now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan improvements
Hey, I'd be happy to assist on improving Azerbaijan further. I'm actually working on my own country article at the moment, Malaysia. Anyway, as far as I can tell, Azerbaijan has a large amount of very good information on it. What needs to be done in my opinion, is the turning of this vast amount of good information and refining it into a concise amount of pertinent information. The main issue for many articles is following the Manual of Style. It's long and complicated, but stick to Manual of Style, Manual of Style, and Manual of Style and you'll basically meet it in my opinion. Anyway, you've opened a peer review, so perhaps I'll take that up, later, but if not, I'll be happy to help later anyway. Check out current FA's for a benchmark, but don't put to much stock by them; many are very old promotions. Indonesia is one I find is a good one though. Cheers, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Surakhani
Hi, thanks for the comments. As you know already, just because two people are from a country does not mean they agree with every point or etc. I try to just simply go by the most reliable expert sources on any issue., Else we are cheating the readers.

On the issue of Surakhani, I am on travel this week and I have not looked at this issue in detail. From the gists of the link you showed me, it seems that there is a dispute whether it is Zoroastrian or Hindu. This should be looked at objectively, that is both users bring their sources and then ask for an RfC from an outside party on the issue. Personally, if I was going from an Iranian point of view, I would prefer it to be a Zoroastrian temple as it shows Iranian influence in the area. No doubt Sassanids also build Zoroastrian temples in this area. The names like Baku itself seems to be connected to Zoroastrianism as well (and it is the same root as Bagh in Baghdad). Even, there was news about a recent discovery of a Zoroastrian temple in the republic of Georgia which is further away from the Zoroastrian centers of the Sassanid. But for a moment I think both sides should look at the highest quality WP:RS sources. Either way, wrong information will be excised, if not now, it will in 50 or 100 or 1000 years. Probably google scholar is the best on the issue as google books has a mixture of academic and non-academics author. After glimpsing over the article,, the Sanskrit/Hindi inscription is a strong indicator for the Hindu theory. However, the architecture style in some aspects looks Sassanian or at least in similar style of the Sharvanshahs palace. Here is one source I found on google scholar from a Master's thesis: "The inscriptions on stones set in the walls, made in Sanskrit and Hindi, testify to the  Indian origin of the fire-worshippers' temple at Surakhany. In the course of time, the “eternal fires” of Apsheron ceased to be viewed as divine the bottom of the issue. " I did find a masters thesis on the issue:, but at the same time, there is an old article by Jackson which seems to be describing it as a Zoroastrian temple. Probably, it is best to get a 3rd party viewpoint on this issue, but for me it is logically hard to explain the Sanskrit and Hindi inscriptions for a possible Zoroastrian temple. So we must admit it that at one point it was used as a Hindu temple since Sanskrit/Hindi are unrelated to Zoroastrianism. At the same time, like many mosques which were build over Zoroastrian temples, it does not rule out that the building was used for other purposes prior to its usage as a Hindu temple. Thist is just from a quick glimpse of the article. I think it is best to gather all arguments and discuss it, however, we cannot 100% say it is was always a Zoroastrian temple given the Sanskrit/Hindi inscriptions. Sanskrit/Hindi are part of the Hindu religion not Zoroastrianism. I would seek an RfC on this issue. My opinion is that Zoroastrian which greatly expanded in the Sassanid era, had probably died out in the region by the Safavid era, but then again, I may be wrong. We need more research. I'll try to take a greater look next week. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick response Khodabandeh. All I ask is you look into this because you know much about it and can make a significant contribution to the reliability of the page. I want to make one thing clear. I do not pick a side, whether Hindu or Zoroastrian. I think, as you said, it was used by both sides at a certain time. So all I say is, the origin is heavily disputed and it must be reflected like that in the article. This change by Xashaiar is POV pushing. And he made no attempt to discuss or reach consensus before making this major change. He also made this edit very shortly after. Now I do not want an edit war but Xashaiar's edits are highly controversial and not according to regulations. Neftchi (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. It seems there are arguments about three articles now. Of course no one should edit-war as it is against wikipedia rule and as I said, just because I am from Iran, it does not mean I have a faviorate here.. My personal opinion on the three places. I am inclined to believe from an unbiased viewpoint that the place with the Hindu/Sanskrit inscription (one of the three) was a Hindu temple. I haven't done much research on it, but if a place has a Hindu/Sanskrit inscription, then it is not Zoroastrian (it doesn't mean Zoroastrians might not have used it also, but it is primarily a Hindu place, as Sanskrit has no relavence to Zoroastrianism where-as it is the holy language of Hindus). You would need a source saying it is disputed issue, else the stronger sources (from more expert insitutions and scholars0 should have the final say. Sanskrit for Hindus is like Quranic Arabic for Muslims.  It is the Hindu holy language and nothing to do with Zoroastrianism.   Just like Christrians in Europe for example would not put Quranic Arabic or Sanskrit.  I think the recent master thesis at least bears on this point, but I am not sure about the other two places.  On the other two places, both sides need to bring reliable sources from expert Western scholars on architecture issues.  Else it should be put forward as a hypothesis.  However, as I said, during the Sassanid era, Zoroastrian temples fore sure existed in the area.   --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * additional comment: I think the point about the architectures is sort of shaky... rather what should be done is an extensive article on ZOroastrianism in the Caucasus region (Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia). That is it is better use primary sources rather than point to a specific architecture.  --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

RE:TFA
You did the right thing by contacting Raul to get a TFA at short notice: Raul is the only person who updates the TFAs. I know the requests page can be slightly confusing if you are new to it but a note at the talkpage usually helps and a TFA rgular should be along to help you out. Woody (talk) 22:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

ASAP
Plz tell Y.B to contact me ASAP through wiki email as after google's recent changes I can't join them.--NovaSkola (talk) 13:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to sign up again to Yellow Book. It kicked me out too due to changes in google accounts. Neftchi (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Ask for permission for the photo "Statue of a liberated woman"
Hello,

I am writing on behalf of the Karabakh Foundation, a 501(c)3 cultural charity foundation that preserves and disseminates the cultural heritage and traditions of Azerbaijan, the Caucasus area, and the Karabakh region of Azerbaijan. I would like to request permission to use the photo "statue of liberated woman". Specifically we request to use the images in an online educational exhibition entitled, Azerbaijan Artifacts, which presents information about coins, stamps, rug, architecture, and other artifacts related to Azerbaijan. In addition we would like permission to use the images in publicity related to the exhibition, on www.KarabakhFoundation.org, and eventually perhaps in a physical exhibition.

I am interested in using this images from Wikipedia. This image would perfectly help us convey the story of Azerbaijani woman. If this is acceptable, please let me know how to properly cite(by name, include website also, etc). If possible, I would also appreciate if you could send me high resolution copies of each image.

Best, Crystal