User talk:Murtoa

Eden Hills railway station, Adelaide
Thanks for that. I find that really interesting. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wesley College (2)
Thank you for your note. I suppose that it's the nature of a school history that it tends to come from the school itself, or from someone closely associated with it. It's just a pity that yours is called "A Great Australian School", which tends to undermine its credibility. I don't know anything about the Australian education system, but here in the UK all schools are subject to a body called OFSTED (Office for Standards in Education), which reports regularly on schools, these reports being in the public domain. There are also the government's performance league tables, published each year, which rank schools in accordance with their students' exam results - again, I don't know whether this happens in Australia. A school like Wesley College has lots of famous alumni, many of whom will have written memoirs or had biographies written, and these will probably contain information on their schooldays. These are suggestions for getting some more objective comment and/or data into the article - do they make sense to you? Brianboulton (talk) 09:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I realise that you may not be able to do it all in seven days. However, let's see where we stand at the end of the period, and then consider what kind of timeframe may be necessary. (Please note that I have moved our correspondence to the GA review page, and I suggest we continue it there). Brianboulton (talk) 18:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, understood - the reference i found may be useful for referencing that section.:P... Cheers Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for your comments, the section you renamed "proprosed dvelopment" on the Wesley College article i beieve should be reverted to "recent developmets" or "developments" as most of the ones lisited have recently been completed or are underway, therefore not proposed. CheersSheepunderscore (talk) 04:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * i have found some new information on the clunes campus - it may also be useful for referencing things about th clunes campus, however the website is a wesley college website. please look under the Clunes Campus on the wesley@clunes website.Sheepunderscore (talk) 04:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * what i meant was that if you need more references that section of the website may also provide some, however the website is a wesley college managed one. On a different not would adding information similar to some which may be found on other APS school's wikipedia article regarding extra co-curricula information be considered as information whcih is not notable and is not suitable in wikipedia. im also thinking of adding some informaiton about wesley's library services - if i do i will post it on your discussion page so that you can see if its worth adding! Sheepunderscore (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can extend the Hold for a couple of days (but not longer) if you think that will help. If you are unable to do everything you wish, don't worry. The article can still meet the GA criteria. Brianboulton (talk) 22:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the comment i left for Brianboulton: "Firstly Brianboulton thanks for your comments and suggestions, I like Murtoa have had no experience in the GA review process, I agree with Murtoa that there has been a fair attempt to address the concerns expressed in your review. The article has been tidy up and the prose has been adjusted, references have been adjusted, changed and added. I would like to stress the fact that Lemon's book: A Great Australian School: Wesley College is an independent book and has NO affiliations with the College what so ever. We would like to hear from you again, if you and the other contributors dont mind, can you please review it again and provide us with some more suggestions. Thank Your for your efforts! CheersSheepunderscore (talk) 07:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)" From: Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * not sure if this may help but: King's School, Ely is also requesting a GA review... maybe we can work off them as an example to follow/guide us... thoughts???Sheepunderscore (talk) 11:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * i have created a to do list on the discussion page and i have done some of then, Brianboulton has suggested that we merge Performing Arts and Sports with Facilities, do you think that is a good idea? i working on the suggestions, assistance and second opinions would be accepted gratefully :P... Sheepunderscore (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, there are some images on the commons which i think should be in the article, any thought? Is there anything else to do before requesting another GA review???Harro5 insist on removing the gallery, just wondering if its in or out?? Sheepunderscore (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * hi, just letting you know that a copyeditor has read and gone through the article (please refer to ) and that Brainnoulton will be unofficially going through the article again sometime on the 18/19th. I was also wondering what we should do with the suggested merges of the facilities/arts/sport sections.Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, im struggling to see why the olympians i have added to the list of alumni is unnotable, it is not everyday a person becomes an olympic athlete, furthermore ALL of the other schools list: current and former AFL/VFL players, Olympians, commonwealth games representatives, Victorian and Australian cricketers, etc. Also in response to "Re alumni: "Prestigious Melbourne private school" is not neutral POV and is unnecessary frumpery. Just plain "Wesley College, Melbourne" is sufficient", i purely copy and pasted the exact same phase which is present in a lot of other articles about wesley alumni, i was not intending to provide unneutral POV material.Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I think the inclusion of several notable criminals in the list of Alumni would remove any bias. StephenSmith (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that the school had control of the Lemon history, in that they banned his original cover depicting a student wearing the uniform in an untidy state, and they edited content deemed unsuitable. StephenSmith (talk) 10:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

everyday rewards
I noticed that you know and contribute alot to reward/loyalty programs, I was wondering if you can help me with starting an article about safeway/woolworths new everyday rewards credit card...or maybe adding a section to the everyday reward loyalty card page... CheersSheepunderscore (talk) 12:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC) ps well done and thanks for the great effort on the Wesley College article, i apologize if i sometimes get carried away!

Wesley College further comments
I have left some further comments on the Wesley College, Melbourne talkpage which you are welcome to use to help improve the article before reassessment. Brianboulton (talk) 18:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In response to "Campuses: there are lots of routine facts and figures in this section, but more interesting information could be given. In particular, what activities go on at the educational camps? Are they all-year-round, or seasonal? Do all students have time at the camps? Also, on another matter, the city curriculum project needs explaining." i wanted to run by you my thought on perhaps adding more detail to the clunes program and the camps as they in particular the clunes program seem notable. Also in response to ""Structure" may not be the best heading for this brief section, since the title suggests something more than is provided. Think about it - perhaps "organisation" might be better." I believe structure is an appropriate word to use as a heading. I also wanted to point out that from my understanding after reading: it is necessary to have: fees, employment and revenue in the info box, (Information was previously there however it was removed in response to the GA review suggestions) however i may have misunderstood the article.Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I was reading the Caulfield Grammar article today, it has been rated a GA for a while and it was a former featured aticle i was wondering if we should use it as a "base" to work of and perhaps add some material on certain areas like they have, not that i'm implying that the Caulfield Grammar is the best article as it has its own faults, however i jus tthink it might be a godd article to bass the Wesley College article on. Also, the proposed development of facilities is infact actually going ahead, the plans i refered to are plans by the developers which Wesley College have contracted for the developments the fund raising for funding and advertising for those developments have already started, further more i believe potential parents like myself from my point of view would want to know such things, futhermore it is often difficult to look for external sources as citations as rearly do external sources refer to schools, please refer to alot of other school articles. Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you dont mind can you please ask your friend ("know a Wesley councillor") where we may be able to obtain more information on the Wesley College Institute for Innovation in Education, so that we can full fill the GA feedback. Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you have read the above comment yet, but also i was wondering if i may included a short paragraph on the school structure (middle school, senior school, etc.) in the structure section as it seems relevant. Sheepunderscore (talk) 09:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First thing i actually meant if the councillor would know of places we can obtain information, eg. newspaper article, reports, etc. second what i asked Brian Boulton to read through was only to see if thats what he wanted and we have both decided for the time being its not necessary to add anything, futhermore the structure section is rather pointless in my opinion, maybe we should come up with some ideas which we both agree on... Sheepunderscore (talk) 10:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition to the above comment and in response to "Also, I think they are very much crystal ball gazing; ultimately Wesley can state as many plans as it likes but typically they are eked out according to funding." i have sourced out a contact from Wesley College's St. Kilda Road Campus parents association. She has given me a copy of the recent minutes and also a copy of a draft facilities development list which if you want i may send both to you. It states (word for word):
 * Projects currently under deliberation:
 * * Re-configuration / re-development of the Menzies and Holt Wings, St Kilda Road. (Approved)
 * * Construction of a new Sports Pavilion, St Kilda Road. (Approved)
 * * Refurbishment of Chapel, St Kilda Road. (Approved)
 * * Refurbishment of Arts Complexes, All Campuses. (Approved)
 * * Commencement of Sport Facilities Development Stage 2, All Campuses (Started)
 * * Redevelopment of Middle Years classrooms, bathrooms, changing rooms and meeting spaces, Glen Waverley. (Stage 1 Completed)
 * * Development of a Chapel, Glen Waverley. (Approval Needed)
 * * Purchase of land for a Sports Campus (like Carey’s) (N/A)*
 * Note: *This idea is only under consideration and no decision has been made.

I will also be contacting her again to see if she knows of any external publications or material is available on the Wesley College Institute. Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, how are you? thank you for your comment, i agree on your question of notability in regards to the upcoming facilities developments, i believe some of the more major developments are notable such as: the undedcided "purchase of land for a sports complex", the refurbishment of the chapel an the menzies and holt wings as these buildings at st. kilda road are apprently herritage listed and are also architecturally notable. in response to "No - this is not saying that I don't believe you and the minutes but this is all the result of your original research, a Wikipedia no-go zone as per WP:OR." recently i went along to WC with my brother in law, as he is considering enrolling his children into WC (thats why i have seen so much of the "not easily" obtainable info) there are actually copies of those minutes published / most recent minutes at the reception. Also do you htink that we are ready submit WC for another offcial review??? can you please look over the new "food Services" section i have added. CheersSheepunderscore (talk) 09:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * on an second reading i too believe most of the food services was unnotable, however i the fruit & veg vending machine and the cashless tag system is notable. as not many places have them, despite the fact that it is internally sourced, now in regards to the developments, the work which i have listed above i believe are architecturally notable as some of it is heritage listed, once more info is released i strongly suggest including some of it.Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * regarding your recent comment, i think we have to agree to disagree, what do you think needs to be worked on in regards to the article, i have been to the local library in search of any publications in regards to the wesley college institute however, being relatively new there wasnt much besides some archive advertisements in regards to its colloquia's.Sheepunderscore (talk) 05:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * was not thinking of expanding any of the sections you have mentioned, in regards to the institute i was referring to the GA comment made by Brian Boulton. May i also ask why you think the GA status should not be further pursued? Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I ageee and i think that we should leave the insitue article alone for awhile until more information appears in due time.Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi murtoa, happy new year!!! i have removed the images as requested by you, i apologize for the taking so long as i only just got back from holidays overseas and the start of this week. Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hays International College
Hi Murtoa, Ive been recently working on a new article (Hays International College), I would be delighted if you would please give me a hand on expanding it. Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Indiscriminate tagging of school sites
In regards to your comment about: "Hi, I'm struggling to see what basis there was for tagging about 25 Melbourne school sites with cleanup/advertisment/no source tags in a seemingly indiscriminate manner, particularly where in nearly all cases there appeared to be little or no basis for doing so. Murtoa (talk) 23:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)", I'm in the process of going through the 25 or so schools and help cleanup, reference, etc. however there are a lot of schools to do in Australia so by tagging them i hope to draw help and assistance from other users. The tags help remind users of the need for references in wikipedia articles. I am NOT trying to discriminate or cause any sort of trouble by adding those tags and from my opinion those tags were used correctly in most cases. Sheepunderscore (talk) 08:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * From my point of view the tags which I added were appropriate for those articles at the time. Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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Centro
Yes i have actually approached Centro and requested permission, for the use of its images and logos in Wikipedia articles. I have gained permission from my cousins wife who is the personal assistant to the head of public relations manager and i got permission from the receptionist who answered the phone...also if you have any time free can you please help and standardize each of the centro shopping centre articles Sheepunderscore (talk) 11:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hardly valid permission .... a PA and a receptionist... ¬¬¬¬ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.175.64 (talk) 11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Censorship ?
Why are you sanitising comments on your TALK page ? 66.226.231.2 (talk) 01:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there, refer WP:CIVIL. That's why I deleted your "contribution".  If you'd like to continue a more civil discussion about my contributions, registering your own user name rather than contributing via various IP addresses would be a good start.  Murtoa (talk) 03:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

There's no requirement to register to contribute. You might want to take my comments to heart. They were not a personal attack, rather a suggestion that you are more balanced. 72.37.134.18 (talk) 09:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I acknowledge that you don't have to register to contribute, but you've chosen to make personal comments about me and my editing style, which naturally I take issue with. I'm prepared to debate this - for example, I could list the articles I've either created or made substantial contributions to - but at the moment you're choosing to comment via various IP addresses, so I don't even have the ability to know whether I'm discussing with a single contributor or not.  If you would take the courtesy of at least registering that would at least provide a platform for a balanced debate, rather than having random, anonymous fire being directed my way. Murtoa (talk) 00:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not interested in having a debate, I've given you feedback, and you can ignore it or consider it - it's up to you. You should consider my feedback based on its merit, not based on my identity. 72.37.134.18 (talk) 18:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Swipecard comments moved below

NAB article edits
your comment that "every company" undertakes copr social resp. initiatives is plain incorrect. Maybe "most coprorates" but not "every company"... Rmarsden (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added on 11:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC).

Ben Whyte Edits
You deleted parts of the Ben Whyte article, alleging that he was 43rd and 48th on the tables that i said he was in the lead of. I have re added the sentences and i ask you to revisit the pages, keeping in mind that this bloke is an Under 17's player, not an A-Grade player. As it is, the statements are accurate, so they should stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acb4341 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Loyalty Program
Hi. Sorry about the "unsourced commercial reference". I'm new at adding info to Wikipedia, and I guess I did it the wrong way. Recently, I've been really amazed recently at the crop of online business services / tools like Basecamp (www.basecamphq.com) who started a whole category now called SaaS ( I think you could also consider the Google Apps or even Flikr as SaaS tools as well, but being more consumer oriented I think they fall more into what's lumped as Web 2.0). So I was going to mention Basecamp and others like Freshbooks or Tick, etc. but they had nothing to do with Loyalty, at the end of the day. (Only StickyStreet was relevant...?) I found out about it through an About.com article: http://sbinfocanada.about.com/b/2008/11/16/cool-tool-of-the-week-stickystreetcom.htm, but a search on google doesn't bring up anything else that could be considered "source material". Would that be enough (the about.com article)? I haven't found any other similar online programs (and I've looked, I own a store and I researched my options before deciding on using them, actually.)  I guess I'll have to go through the learning process with you, if you don't mind. Would a better addition be:

"With the rise of Web 2.0 and SaaS online-based services, the cost of entry has been significantly lowered, and even the smallest businesses or organizations can now afford to offer and manage their own loyalty programs. "

Maybe keep it at that? There's other companies that claim the SaaS Loyalty crown, notably Loyalty Lab and RewardStream, but they don't publish their prices, and both, though, are aimed at larger, established companies (and quite expensive... i called them.) I would have expanded on the entry with "the cost of entry has been significantly lowered for _both large and small businesses_" but I can't find any references that indeed this cost has been lowered for larger companies. Which leaves StickyStreet as the only one I've found that can claim the "inexpensive" category and actually publishes their prices on their website, and to illustrate the phenomenon of lowered entry costs for small businesses.

Mainly, as a small business owner, a lot of this information is hard to come by, so much hype and junk in search results (pr, pr, pr...) and I think it would be nice to have a place where the facts are simply stated (hence the addition of "with such companies such as StickyStreet" at the end -- I assume there might be more, (like there were more stores like Kroger or Safeway that also offered loyalty program,) but I can't find any, either.

How would you proceed? Keep the commercial reference out? Add it in? Is the rest of the addition OK though? Let me know. Thanks! EarlGreyMan (talk) 14:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. That sounds like a good resolution. I need to proceed slower, apparently, too: I can't even figure out how to reply to these talk "articles"! (is this the right way? by editing the very same article, rather than "replying" to it? What an "interface displacement" experience!)
 * EarlGreyMan (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Seven Stories
THX for the feedback, most of my work was in stylistic changes, the bulk of the content was already good. Before reading the article I didn't know much about Seven Stories: I'm now better informed.

Future work suggestions:
 * 1) Lead needs a little more beefing up: it should summarise the entire article. Consider adding to the Lead: Founding/mainstay members, most notable song and 'Christian rock' connection.
 * 2) Some CATegory & infobox addition that signifies their 'Christian rock' style would be informative.

I'll leave such considerations to someone more expert in the group, ie you.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

swipecard comments moved below

NAB - source
NAB is (!) the source. It doesn't need to cite another source to be of credible origin. Compared to many other sources cited here, NAB is in the better category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.207.198 (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

NAB - your recent edit
I think you made an error: the sentence you removed is not "duplicated". I have undone your edit, but if I'm missing something, feel free to reply here, of course. (the sentence you removed referred to social media marketing). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.189.107 (talk) 11:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * you were right - my bad. sorry. I have deleted dup sentence again... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.189.107 (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Westminster School Adelaide
Thank you for visiting the Westminster School Adelaide article. Contributions to the Westminster article come from a number of sources, usually from responsible members of our School community, and, as a school, we try and regularly check the content. The article was recently vandalised and we took the opportunity to repair and update. I noticed your edits and comments that followed our actions. While I have no issue with your edits per se and the end result, I would appreciate understanding what official role, if any, you have at Wikipedia ie are you an editor following their 'style' guide or is this a personal interest you have undertaken? Are you in fact a member of the Westminster School community (eg Old Scholar) who has taken the Westminster article to heart? While I respect your right to privacy, some general comments to help me understand this process would be welcome. Regards, Peter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WestDevOffice (talk • contribs) 07:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Swipecard
Interesting post i beleive MURTOA should do the research before deleting posts, as he also has deleted every post i have made in referance to a company which HAS launched and HAS clients. i suggest that MURTOA stay and edit items in his own country rather than trying to be an expert in everyone elses country. FACTS are FACTS. that loyalty company has 2 of the biggest nz clients onboard. it is an operator so it can be detailed as such! stop being such a prude~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swipecard (talk • contribs) 21:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against the company in question. I would like nothing more than the "facts" you have claimed to be substantiated by reference to reliable independent sources. This isn't "my" requirement - it's accepted Wikipedia policy and convention. At present, not even the Swipecard website actually states that the program has been launched.  Unfortunately the Loyalty program article you edited is subject to self-promotion by would-be programs. I'd welcome confirmation via verifiable sources that this is not the case in this instance.Murtoa (talk) 05:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

AGAIN i see deleting posts before doing the reserch.. comeon mate.. people put time into this.. as do you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swipecard (talk • contribs) 21:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The research I've done shows one reliable source from the New Zealand Herald that states the Swipecard program was planning to recruit retailers and launch. I cannot find one source - not even the Swipecard website itself - that asserts that the program has actually launched, has actually recruited retailers or indeed allows would-be members to join.  Until those things happen, and the program recruits a critical mass of members and becomes notable in New Zealand, then claims otherwise are subject to scrutiny. Murtoa (talk) 06:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I for one ask any and all to vote that MURTOA be removed from editing. As the time spent and quality of documents that are written from users in their own time are being re-written. Companys who have the support of others who make posts are just wasting time. From Schools to loyalty to other such subjects this person seems to be the orb of correctness. Please vote for this person to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.134.133 (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that my edits of your Swipecard comments in the loyalty programs article have upset you. This is not about "correctness".  Wikipedia is a forum where users comments are subject to editing by others.  As stated in my edit comments on the relevant article, you have asserted claims about Swipecard which simply aren't backed up by independent, verifiable sources.  These aren't my rules, they're a convention established by millions of Wikipedia contributors.  Not even the Swipecard website states that the program has been launched.  If and when the notability of Swipecard has been established, I will have no problem in it featuring on the article in question.  But until then, your edits could be viewed as self-promotion.  By the way, it's not possible to "vote" editors off Wikipedia.  If you have a problem, the administrators are the ones who can act.  They're the ones who blocked the username Swipecard recently, who I assume you're familiar with. Murtoa (talk) 05:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Yarra Trams
Hi Murtoa,

Please contribute to the Yarra Trams and KDR Melbourne proposed article merger discussion here.

Thank You and Regards, Sheepunderscore (talk) 04:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Wesley Crest & Motto
Hi Murtoa,

I just wanted to say that I prefer my first edit with the dot points as I find it easier to read, I suggest that we use your wording in a dot point style.

Also Im planning on adding something like this to the motto section (with references):

The motto Sapere Aude appeared in the first college prospectus in 1866 and is translated from Latin as Dare To Be Wise. The origin of this motto may be traced back to Epistularum liber primus a work written by Horace in 20 BC. The motto may be derrived from Line 40 of Epistle II of Epistularum liber primus which says "Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet. Sapere Aude" ("He that begins has half done. Dare to be wise.").

What do you think? Thanks, Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Chum Creek
Hi there, I have noticed that you removed "and is the oldest compulsory school camp in Victoria." from the wesley college page as you couldnt find a source well it is clearly stated on the wesley college website that "Chum Creek is the oldest compulsory school camp in Victoria and its history dates back over 50 years.". this was found through a simple google search which suggest you conduct before remving historical information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.161.145 (talk) 12:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would welcome verification of this from independent sources. The independent source I have quoted stated (among several pages on Chum Creek's establishment) that it was opened at the same time as Timbertop, placing some doubt on Wesley's claim. Murtoa (talk) 22:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Ive left a reply on my talk page in response to your messege.

Thanks Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

NAB
Just because some info on NAB is positive doesn't mean it's "advertorial". If you think so, pls provide some reason. It's not like space is limited... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmarsden (talk • contribs) 03:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Jacquelin Magnay
Isn't the point of Wikipedia to inform a balanced view of all issues? Given your latest edit I have serious questions about the vision of Jimmy Wales and your opposing edits. The unabated and litigious nature of Ms Magnay on feminist issues is (in your view) not balanced by informing anyone of her girlish and romantic behaviour. Does this not give the reader an insight and balance her feminist views as a human being?? Apparently not in your view.....just irrelevant talk. That really harnessing the experience and facts of people who have know her throughout her life. Well done Murtoa, you should consider a job at a Cigarette company —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.23.131 (talk) 23:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You contributed "Magnay was living with an elite cyclist Andrew Logan at the time. Despite her feminist writings she would leave love letters in his bike shoes." I deleted on the basis of such information being unnotable and unsourced.  In my view, you need to substantiate that the statement is relevant to an encyclopaedic view of Magnay (refer WP:BIO particularly).  Magnay's private life is surely irrelevant to her professional career and the article at present makes no explicit comment on her feminist views one way or another. Anyway, happy to hear others views. Murtoa (talk) 03:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

David Southwick
FYI David Southwick got elected in 2010 - are you going to restore his article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.18.30 (talk) 02:58, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For the record (1) I didn't take part in the deletion debate (2) David Southwick article has been "restored" since December 2010 (3) I thought you quit Wikipedia :) Cheers Murtoa (talk) 06:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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