User talk:Musicfan1812

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 * Hello Musicfan, I'm not the best person to ask on band articles, so I suggest you ask at The Teahouse so as to reach a wider audience. You can pretty much just copy-paste the question you asked me, but don't forget to include a link to your draft so folks you're asking can find it easily in your question. Good luck! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Lulubelle III
Hi. What guideline are you referring to when you say "BBC guidelines for wikipedia articles"? The only Wikipedia guideline I'm aware of when it comes to musical groups is the one called WP:BAND, which has a number of different criteria for inclusion. Being put in regular rotation is one of the criteria, but being played once per week for three weeks doesn't qualifies for this as far as I know. Please check the other criterias in the article I linked to see if there is anything else that might qualify the article for inclusion. Bjelleklang -  talk 08:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for getting in touch. The BBC has band pages when someone is played on air and they use Wikipedia to get biographical info. They have help pages which explain how to do this and one part talks about notability https://sites.google.com/site/bbcartistpages/home/wikipedia About half way down it says

"Notability: Wikipedia summarises its notability guidelines for musicians and ensembles as:

Notability is met if the musician has been the subject of a broadcast by a media network."

This seems to me to be met by the band being played 3 times on national BBC radio, once on BBC local radio and once on Irish national radio in the last six weeks. Last year they were played on BBC local radio and also Irish national radio. The band's artist page at the BBC is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/58572196-2792-4c66-a7f8-985753bc5d17

Musicfan1812 (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi again. To quote the actual policy from Wikipedia: "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network.". Being played on-air a few times isn't enough to be considered notable, the band in question must be a bigger part of a broadcast in some way. Bjelleklang -  talk 16:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I understand you are reluctant to be corrected by the BBC, three plays in three weeks on national radio is substantial, find me an example of a new band with that much coverage. This is a problem with wikipedia, no subject matter experts. I saw Roger Waters perform the Wall in Berlin in 1990, no radio play for that, one concert so not notable? Half Man Half Biscuit have never had a top 40 hit but have an entry on Wikipedia Musicfan1812 (talk) 00:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is, the BBC summary doesn't matter; the only thing that counts is what the Wikipedia guideline says. And it says a band needs to be the subject of a larger segment within a show. Being played isn't enough by itself, the show must also be focused on the band in another way; for example interviewing band members; going through their discography and/or history, etc. But this is just one of 12 alternative criterias listed.


 * As for the other articles you refer to:
 * The Wall Live in Berlin was a huge concert with 450.000 people in the audience. In addition, it was broadcast live to 52 countries and published as a CD and VHS/DVD afterwards. It also recieved a lot of media attention, and as such is satisfies the general notability guideline which says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list."
 * Half Man Half Biscuit also appears to satisfy the general notability guideline mentioned above, and they have also had three singles/tracks on the UK singles chart, three albums on the UK albums chart, and about the same on the UK indie chart.


 * Being played on the radio isn't the only criteria, and if you can find enough information to satisfy any of the others (or the general notability guideline) having an article accepted isn't a problem. I hope this cleared things up a bit, if not please let me know. Bjelleklang -  talk 08:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to reply. One of the BBC shows said they would do an interview if that occurs I'll add it when it broadcasts.Musicfan1812 (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

So far as I can see this band does not meet the criteria. The BBC article about creating Wikipedian pages warns about the notability factor. The citations are of little or no consequence. The BBC page cited says they have no biographical information. That, in itself, speaks volumes about the notability of this band. Kanuk (talk) 22:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation
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