User talk:MusikAnimal/Archive 19

AFD
Hi MusikAnimal, Hope all's well, Umm basically I've the exact same issue as what you had here, I closed Ruth Kearney as Redirect to Primeval but somehow it ended up also redirecting Priveval to Primeval and until I was reverted  I was completely oblivious to it so was wondering if anything could be done ?

Seeing as ZMan's never on and you're a wizz at technical stuff I thought I'd ask you, Perhaps I should ask at WP:VPT ?

Anyway thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 02:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Going to try to take a look. Seems like it would as simple as checking if there's a redirect, and if so, well, not redirecting! Always easier said than done, of course, but I'm willing to give it a try :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:34, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah brilliant thanks so much and good luck - You'll probably need it lol . – Davey 2010 Talk 02:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see exactly what's causing it... it's passing redirects=1 to the API when fetching info about the page to delete. That parameter tells the API to resolve any redirects, and fetch info about the target of the redirect rather than the page we asked to get info about. I can only assume there was a reason Mr.Z added that. Can you think of any scenario where you would want it to redirect? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  03:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Disregard the above... First let me get down what the problem is. In my case there was a redirect in place on the article that was the subject of the AfD. When I closed it as redirect it followed the redirect to the target page, which happened to be the page I wanted to redirect to. So, it blanked it and redirected to itself. That all sounds really confusing, I know... but anyway in your case there wasn't already a redirect in place, right? So seems like the bug is not the bug I thought it was &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  03:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup it's most definitely confusing lol, Nope don't think so - Basically I wanted Ruth Kearney redirected to Primeval and Primeval was already an article before closure and should've been after (Sorry If I'm sounding dumb but I'm trying not be confusing lol), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 04:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Indyrolexalms
Thanks for your email. I didn't include the reasons as I didn't know how to describe them. I will try and do so here. First - two of the cited articles are not valid/available #14 and #15. Second - I believe it is abnormal and unfair to post info relating to probations and peer criticism - for any driver - including Milka Duno. Many IndyCar drivers have been placed on probation during their career - some several times - and these include Indy 500 winners and also IndyCar Series champions - but there is no mention of this on any of their wiki pages. Perhaps they have been posted there at some time - but if so, someone has removed them. I would say that for IndyCar drivers - many have received probations - but none show up on their wiki - and I don't think Milka Duno should be singled out for it. On the topic of peer criticism - drivers criticizing other drivers in media occurs very often - and there are literally hundreds and hundreds of examples of this - and some of the drivers that have criticized Milka Duno have also criticized many other drivers - and have also been the subject of criticism from other drivers themselves. But none of that appears on any of their wiki pages. As probations and or peer criticisms of other drivers are not mentioned on their wiki pages it is incredibly unfair - abnormal - not the "standard" as far as IndyCar driver wiki pages - and it is unfair for Milka Duno, or any other driver, to be singled out for this. Indyrolexalms (talk) 16:11, 28 August 2015 (UTC) Would you be willing to describe to me in what way I can condense all of the above into a reason for the edit - so that the edit sticks?
 * This seems like reasonable rationale to remove the content, you just need to state why when you do it. Otherwise it looks like vandalism. I have to ask... when you first hit save, did you not get an automated message telling you to use an edit summary? I genuinely want to know if you saw it, and it's okay if you didn't. Anyway, feel free to remove the content again, and try to briefly state why this time. If you're unable to be concise, consider saying "see talk page" and then put your rationale on the article talk page. Hope this helps, and sorry this process was not more clear to you &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - I will try that.Indyrolexalms (talk) 17:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, but back to my question... did you see the automated message? I'm not ridiculing you or anything, just trying to find out how effective that message is, as I created it. If you don't mind me asking, what was the experience like? Did you think "oh the save just didn't work, let me try again", and perhaps the message was not prominent enough? Or did you see the message and not understand what it meant? If you did see the message and still chose not use an edit summary that is OK. I'm not criticizing, just want your valuable input. Thank you for your help as I try to make this process more user-friendly for newcomers! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

No problem asking - I didn't see it the first time. But I understand that reasons for edits are requested and informative - but I just didn't know how to condense my reasoning. Many thanks again for your suggestions and advice - I really appreciate it.Indyrolexalms (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, so the message is not prominent enough I guess. I will work on it. Thank you! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

edit counter
You're listed on the bottom of the edit counter (e.g. ). I'm seeing " 일반 문서 " for the mainspace label. NE Ent
 * It's a known issue, evidently with the translation service. We're not sure how to fix it. Sorry &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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2015 BWF Super Series
The 2015 BWF Super Series is a page where is created long time ago, how you possible delete a page under criteria of G7? --Aleen f 1  12:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm looks the page was moved to 2015 BWF Superseries, then restarted 2015 BWF Super Series. Three revisions later they blanked the page, and it was deleted under G7. 2015 BWF Superseries was then moved back to its original home 2015 BWF Super Series. So it looks like I deleted that one but in fact I only deleted four revisions, all that were made in the same day. I've locked the page from further moves &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  14:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you just block me from editing, i'm sick of his behaviour, just look to his contributions, he moving a mass of page without any discussion. He force me to be move warring. --Aleen f  1  15:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Still the same, i think he like work on his own, no discussion, and only want his way, still moving a page based on his like. --Aleen f 1  13:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Crossed out revisions
Why are some revisions on articles crossed out? See Jake the Peg. Pickuptha&#39;Musket (talk) 09:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The revisions were deleted from view. This is reserved for removing severely inappropriate content, see WP:CRD. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Jarmur
I've created page of 2015 BWF Superseries Finals but someone tried to move/delete my page and I just want to revert my page that I created. Why did you also revert my page to their action? Thx Jarmur (talk) 23:50, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This doesn't seem worthy of a standalone article. Why not include the information about the finals on the main 2015 BWF Super Series page? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

The article of 2015 BWF Superseries Finals is different with 2015 BWF Super Series, 2015 BWF Superseries Finals is a part of 2015 BWF Super Series which is same like others 2015 BWF Superseries tournaments such as Indonesia Open, Malaysia Open etc. 2015 BWF Superseries Finals is final tournament of BWF Superseries every year. I think you are not badminton lover so you don't know about this. :)) I suggest you to visit www.bwfbadminton.org. But it's OK, I can create the new one :)) RegardsJarmur (talk) 14:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand it the finals are a part of 2015 BWF Super Series, that is precisely my point. There's no need for them to be separate articles unless you have substantial content to accompany it, otherwise you can just make the finals it's own section within 2015 BWF Super Series &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, but you can not move/redirect it to 2015 BWF Super Series, just make it link to. This is because later this article will have substantial content. Thx Jarmur (talk) 15:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You just cannot workout with other Wikipedian, you are not the one who solely contributing here, change a page title need a discussion, and what the heck you going to create 2016 tournament while dates still far away? --Aleen f 1  15:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, MusikAnimal, that is beyond the boundaries, this user is spoiled the consistency of the tournament, can you or some others work something? --Aleen f 1  15:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I just followed the update from Badminton World Federation (BWF), if BWF has released new tournament calendar I will also update it even until 2017 tournament calendar because it's from the official Association. I will not follow you of course and will follow you if your modify based on BWF standard. Very sorry, regards Jarmur (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Music bot
Hi, regarding my bot request, please feel free to ask me for any clarification or details. It would be great if you could put this new bot together, and I'm glad to help any way I can. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Next on my list :) It's going to be a long holiday weekend here in the US but you'll hear from me next week &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'm in Massachusetts, and so will be vacationing too.Anythingyouwant (talk) 11:56, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Gotha etc
I think Special:Contributions/5.69.65.122 this IP may be Gotha evading their block, since they have restored most of the stuff by them that was deleted. Thanks. -- ‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel  ‖ 14:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello from GatorGirl88
Hello,

I hope you're doing well. I wanted to reach out in reference to a page you had previously taken down. I am planning on uploading a Wikipedia page on TechnologyAdvice. Here is a link to the updated copy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/152uhhyCR1uu6J4rgRqZ2N4iS5IG-sxq0il2JWLPHzfQ/edit?usp=sharing. A previous Wikipedia editor had uploaded a page about TechnologyAdvice outside of the editorial process and since her editorship was terminated, the page was taken down. The editors we corresponded with immediately afterwards said to continue trying to submit the page. Please let me know if you have any feedback, edits, or suggestions. I want to make sure I go through the proper channels and ensure that each step in the process is completed correctly. I appreciate your insight! GatorGirl88 (talk) 12:34, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out to me! I deleted TechnologyAdvice not because the author blanked it, qualifying it for G7 speedy deletion. They were subsequently blocked for other unrelated matters. Your article at first glance looks good, but you should get on-wiki. Moving forward when you want to create a "draft" article, you can do so right here, at Draft:TechnologyAdvice, for instance. Then when you're done you can move the page to TechnologyAdvice. If you want a thorough review of your work before publishing it, I recommend going through our Articles for Creation program. To do this, create your draft using the article wizard, and then paste your content in, clean up any formatting as needed, then submit it for review. Hope this helps &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI, this was an orangemoody page --Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  01:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow... I just read the article in the BBC. Funny that I unknowingly deleted one of their articles :) Glad you guys figured that out. Quite a discovery! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the helpful information! I really appreciate it! GatorGirl88 (talk) 23:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You bet! Once you really get into this business you'll learn to take no offense, and shrug it off as pure adolescent nonsense ;) If anything, I think it means you're doing a great job fighting vandalism yourself. Keep it up, and many many thanks for the shiny barnstar! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:51, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

IP user at it again
Earlier today, you blocked Special:contributions/83.220.237.214. I believe that Special:contributions/83.220.238.191 is likely the same person, and has violated a separate level 4 warning. Reason for this belief is because the editor made changes on several of the same pages and exhibits a similar style of vandalism. In any case, the level 4 warning was given for vandalizing user talk:ClueBot Commons and the user subsequently vandalized cactus (disambiguation). (The violation of the level 4 warning is itself sufficient to take action, of course, but I'm mentioning the link in case this would affect any sanctions you might impose.) Etamni &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 19:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't get to this message sooner, looks like they've moved on so I won't proceed with a block. Definitely the same user, I'd say. Based on the nature of the edits and obvious familiarity with how things work internally, I believe this to block evasion or sockpuppetry of sorts, probably of a long-term abuser. Thanks for keeping an eye out! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:11, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. I have watches on both talk pages and will immediately notice if additional warnings show up. Etamni &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 21:34, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from D0kkaebi
Hello, Thank you for the edit war advise. It was also advised by Jaaron95 to fill-in a noticeboard for editwar so I opened it here and gave all the elements to judge. If you can protect the page in the meantime, it would be wonderful. D0kkaebi (talk) 23:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi
I am not sure you will do anything, but I just would like for you to take a look at the continued edit-warring at Murder of Anni Dewani. It is the same two users going at it again and again, even after warnings. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fully protected... again. Next time will surely involve blocks if the same users continue to edit war &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. You seem to be the person who locked the page?  You'll note on the talk page of that article I suggested that be done last week.  And that any subsequent changes only be made by consensus.  The other editors- who then continued to make considerable changes to the article- declined.


 * I made no changes at all since that time. However as the article became increasingly advocatory and rhetorical I changed, after one week, one particularly egregious paragraph.  So changing one paragraph over the course of one week you consider "edit warring"?Lane99 (talk) 08:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not making any judgement but this combative comment might interest you MusikAnimal. --BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Wikibaba1977
sorry but I wanted to let you know that i didnt contributed to List of Indian comedy films. May be its because of shared IP.Wikibaba1977 (talk) 04:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I reverted some vandalism there several months ago, maybe the IP belonged to you. Not sure, but you have nothing worry about &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Nmk12
Hi MusikAnimal, I've seen two SPIs recently opened (above is one of them) that are not structured properly. I'm assuming they were opened using Twinkle, and I wondered if you could look at it. This edit shows you what was missing from the case. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 08:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Bbb23! Are we sure they used Twinkle? If they did the edit summary should read something like "creating report for User:Example", as opposed to the wikitext. I'm about to sign off for the weekend (for the most part), but am happy to take a closer look Monday. Cheers &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently not. Looks like they opened it at WP:SPI the old-fashioned way but something went wrong. Should have been done in one edit, but it took them four. #2 and #3 they were trying to fix whatever went wrong, and #4 they gave up and did it by hand but incorrectly. Sorry. I should have looked before posting here. Have a great weekend!--Bbb23 (talk) 21:15, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Snicol2
Please don't bite newbies as you did at User:Snicol2! Please assume good faith, and give them a chance to make contributions rather than immediately deleting their user page. I've restored their page for now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll admit I was quick to delete it, in what was perhaps a momentary lapse of judgement, but I think it clearly meets U5 speedy deletion criteria. Rest assured I'm not a biter! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:23, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, some of the edits to the user page were made from an IP address that does have a contribution history going back several months. I suspect the IP user has simply decided to create an account, and has been around long enough to see that many users have user pages with some info about the users.  While the page may technically meet the speedy deletion criteria, the IP user's history should be taken into consideration, and the user needs to be given a chance to contribute. Etamni &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 22:33, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The IP belongs to a university so is very likely shared, but agreed I think the issue was jumping to CSD rather than letting it play out to what could be a meaningful contributor, invalidating the U5 criteria. It certainly comes off bitey deleting that quickly, but understand this wasn't my intention. Thanks to you both for your critique and I'll surely be more careful moving forward. I appreciate any room for improvement being brought to my attention. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:37, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the contemplative response! It would definitely have been better to have avoided jumping directly to CSD - a note of warning on their talk page might have been a good approach to take here. For background info: they registered during a Wikipedia training session (GLAM/MGS/Events_and_Workshops/UoE_training_02.09.15), and getting people to edit their user pages as their first edits is a standard way of introducing new users to wikitext without running into problems in mainspace (new articles being CSD'd, first few edits being reverted, etc.), while also making useful edits (rather than editing a sandbox, they're telling other users a bit about their background on their userpage). This doesn't usually run into problems with CSD:U5... They usually go on to make some edits under their account afterwards; it looks like they got logged out here and didn't realise it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the restoration of the page, and the responses here - I was the trainer involved in the session mentioned above. Useful to see this discussion, thanks! Lirazelf (talk) 16:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/User:MusikAnimal/TestPage
I just noticed that the above is listed just above Articles for deletion/Log/2015 August 28 (scroll up) and at Articles for deletion. Other than recreating Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/User:MusikAnimal/TestPage and then closing it I wasn't sure how to get rid of it. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Some help
Hi MusikAnimal, I hope you had a good couple of days off. Could you please take a look at this thread? As you can see, I've made zero headway in resolving the problem. You're smart about these things (blatant buttering up), and I was hoping you might have suggestions as to what to do. The problem continues unabated, and it drives me crazy. There are many repetitive things I do at Wikipedia where body habits kick in. When it first started happening, I kept screwing up (usually my mouse hand). Now I force myself to wait before I click, but it slows me down, and I'm not the most patient guy in the world. Thanks very much for whatever you can do.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied there :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  23:12, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

histlegend
Re:, what's not working with the tool? Legoktm (talk) 04:33, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't working at the time, and for a few days prior. I guess Sigma was following the same thread on the xtools mailing list and gave it a nudge. With or without WikiHistory is fine by me. Sigma's is more full-featured I think, but WikiHistory is easier on the eyes some may say. I'm truly impartial, not trying to shut any service out of the picture. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:04, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
All i can say is thanks from you and one other for helping me. Actually you should block me too for my edit warring, i misbehaving also, and i just couldn't keep calm from him. Anyway, i don't plan to move the article for future tournaments until it should be, and i'm unsure whether he will back with his "great" attitude again, so i'm just don't waste time for now. Anyway, if i need your help, i'm will looking to you again, such as category that need sysop to move. It is a regretful to use up your time to counter this issue. Pnce again, thanks. --Aleen f 1  13:49, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Qwertyuiop223
Hi I want to thank you for editing my post because I wanted to prove that the wiki is a useful place to gather information and is not full of misinformation. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyuiop223 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank very kindly! And also thank YOU for your hard work! I see your dedication is paying off and lest you be concerned it is not going unnoticed :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:52, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hi. Thank you for your partial support. A look at this list of editors would tell non admin users like IJBall what they really need to know, but it still won't clue them up and it raises the question what they are wanting by taking the upper hand in such discussions. There's nothing much I don't know about our minor users rights - I introduced some of them. But again, one can't expect those non-admins who haunt the drama boards to do any real research or even launch a proper RfC. In the normal run of things I should be taking him to ANI and not vice versa, but I do believe in my entire career as an admin that I have never once brought a case to that page. It's not the way I work. But I do like protocol and clarity. Thanks again, and thanks BTW, for your excellent bot at PERM. It still hasn't got rid of all the wannabes who try to clerk the pages, but we'll get there in the end - if I don't retire fist due to the climate around here ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well thank you Kudpung! I fully get where you were coming from, but I do think IJBall was trying to make a change in good-faith, and would have at least posted at WT:PERM had they known to. Frankly, I might have missed an RfC posted at WP:CD as well, it's only through WT:PERM would I have noticed. If you've gone this long without starting an AN/I thread, I certainly wouldn't start now :) And rest assured I don't think anyone is truly questioning your adminship. Also very happy to see you have taken a liking to my bot. My goal was basically to do all the stuff people come around and do, and there's still an outstanding feature request to have it say "this user has recently requested this permission [link] and that permission [link]", etc, to lend clarity of any hat-collecting, as the other relevant requests might have recently been archived. Cheers Kudpung, hope the weather improves for you! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  13:35, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Mass-message sender
Thanks for granting me the mass-message sender permission even though I didn't submit a 2nd request. MrWooHoo (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This gives me an unrelated thought. MusikAnimal, should we mass-message all the EFMs asking them to subscribe to the mailing list if they're interested? I think that might pick up a bit more interest in it than we'd get otherwise. Sam Walton (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, just needed to see that you knew how to properly construct the request. The need for the user right was already established :) I *just* boldly expanded on the MMS guideline, but the bit about "only message those who are likely to be interested" was already there and very sensible. This is clearly one of those situations, so I'd so go for it. We could use this list to get the relevant users. I'm willing to bet that a large number of those admins have never touched an edit filter and just added it to their user groups because they could, but we have no right to assume that =P Meanwhile Category:Wikipedia edit filter managers is generated by the userbox, which obviously plenty of EFMs don't have in the userspace, and apparently a few non-EFMs decided they wanted to pretend they were one. I can help construct the mailing if you'd like. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:56, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool, I have no idea how mass messaging works but I'll get a draft message started at User:Samwalton9/EFMessage. Sam Walton (talk) 08:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Should have said, feel free to edit that and we can go ahead and send it. Sam Walton (talk) 14:47, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks great! I just added our signatures (hopefully ok that I added mine, given I didn't write anything :). I can send this out now &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:54, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yeah that's fine, wasn't sure how signatures worked with mass messages. Sending now seems fine! Sam Walton (talk) 14:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to subscribe to the edit filter mailing list
Hi, as a user in the edit filter manager user group we wanted to let you know about the new wikipedia-en-editfilters mailing list. As part of our recent efforts to improve the use of edit filters on the English Wikipedia it has been established as a venue for internal discussion by edit filter managers regarding private filters (those only viewable by administrators and edit filter managers) and also as a means by which non-admins can ask questions about hidden filters that wouldn't be appropriate to discuss on-wiki. As an edit filter manager we encourage you to subscribe; the more users we have in the mailing list the more useful it will be to the community. If you subscribe we will send a short email to you through Wikipedia to confirm your subscription, but let us know if you'd prefer another method of verification. I'd also like to take the opportunity to invite you to contribute to the proposed guideline for edit filter use at WP:Edit filter/Draft and the associated talk page. Thank you! Sam Walton (talk) and  MusikAnimal  talk  18:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

MusikBot
Do you mind if I fork/clone your repo and make some changes on my own fork? I'll drop a request, and you can pull it back to the main branch if you feel necessary. --JustBerry (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what open source projects are for! Pull requests welcomed :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:40, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, just wanted to double-check to make sure it's all right with you. Will do when I get a chance. Thanks for the swift reply. --JustBerry (talk) 02:52, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * Belarusian-Taraškievica Wikipedia was moved from be-x-old.wikipedia.org to be-tarask.wikipedia.org. This caused some issues, but most of them were resolved.
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 * There was a problem when editing International Standard Book Numbers in Visual Editor. This has now been fixed.
 * The Wikimedia mailing lists should have been upgraded on September 9. It didn't work as planned and will now happen later.
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Thanks
Just wanted to say thanks for stepping in to block the nasty edit warring at Glyphosate. There is a reason why the involved parties are at ArbCom, and I suspect both sides will have to modify their behavior if they are to remain active participants at WP. Jtrevor99 (talk) 22:21, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

MusikBot archiving
Just going to ping you here as I saw where my bot was pinged here... MusikBot archives when the last comment made for a request is over hours old, as specified by User:MusikBot/PermClerk/Archive/Offset. More at User:MusikBot/PermClerk/Archive. Cheers! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  07:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the insight. Also, nice usage of Template:yo, never realized that even existed. On a similar note, I'm wondering if you might know the answers to the questions I posed here. I'd appreciate if you could yo/ping me, so I know you've replied. --JustBerry (talk) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks for the followup. Welcome back too! S warm   ♠  00:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

User:MusikAnimal/MoreMenu.js
Hi Musik, is there any chance I could con you into adding WP:SPI to the list of drop-down links in your drop-down link utility? The ones I see so far are WP:AIV, WP:ANEW, WP:PERM, WP:RFPP, and WP:UAA. SPI seems intuitive to include as does the unblock requests page. Just a thought. If you don't wanna, I won't hold it against ya. :) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm did you mean User:MusikAnimal/responseHelper instead of MoreMenu? MoreMenu does have a link to SPIs, e.g. browse to User:Orangemoody and note there's an SPI link under User > RfXs. For responseHelper, the links you see in the sidebar are noticeboards for which the script supports. SPI is not one of them, but you know what, it should be... as there's a bunch of indicator templates admins/clerks use. I'll look into it! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  07:00, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cyphoidbomb, if you're using the same script I am, you can add your own links. Example. --Neil N  <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If there's one thing I'm comfortable admitting, fellas, it's that I am not good with the technical stuff. I appreciate the info. Thanks Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

 * My pleasure, as I said it was a fun project. Thank you for the barnstar :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Developer Summit 2016
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Wrong version
Hi MusikAnimal. I agree that Glyphosate needed protecting, but the current version is substantially different to the previous version and there was seemingly no consensus on the talk page that the sandbox was ready to be moved to mainspace e.g.. Inclusion of a review by Seralini after the Séralini affair is a major facepalm. Would you consider restoring the previous version? (I am slightly involved in this area, but thankfully not sufficiently to be at ArbCom). Thanks SmartSE (talk) 22:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see any major concerns with the current version, such as BLP violations, so per WP:PREFER and also that I don't want to invest the time into it, I'm going to leave it as-is. The experts are available to review it if you make a protected edit request. As I'm sure you know, us admins always protect the the wrong version :) Sorry I could not be of more help &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok fair enough. And yes I know we're always wrong ;) SmartSE (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Response Helper
Hi,

Has Response Helper stopped working? Only I'm not getting it showing any more.--5 albert square (talk) 00:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... none of the user scripts are working...? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing is showing on the sidebar. I'm on a Chromebook so using Google Chrome as my browser in case that helps.--5 albert square (talk) 00:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Check WP:TECHPUMP, known issue. All user scripts are broken :( &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, damn. That means I'll have to actually learn and type out the template parameters. Just like you geezer admins had to do. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks MusikAnimal, mine appears to be back now so you might be ok :).  Guess it might just be a bit up and down for the minute :)--5 albert square (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Saved! --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:36, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! And I didn't have to do anything to fix it &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought you waved a magic wand :)--5 albert square (talk) 00:52, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Kaushals Kross
Yesterday you and declined create protection and he is back. Now you agree i was right? -- Action Hero   Shoot!  06:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * He made it case sensitive by Kaushals kross making the k small instead of K. this must be salted too. -- Action Hero   Shoot!  10:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
User:Kaushals Cross is a sock of User:Kaushals Kross. Action Hero  Shoot!  10:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The sock has already been blocked, and I have salted Kaushals kross putting in my admin notes the title of the original page.--5 albert square (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi from X japan article
They played very rough performance and fight against audience and so on.Bars around livehouse Prohibited them entering.--Takahiro4 (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This edit is clearly not constructive &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Hostile IP user
Hello MusikAnimal. Can you please kindly explain to 104.179.109.150 that it is much better to accept my invitation to discuss Slayer's discography rather than revert me three times when I told him to discuss the issue in hand? Thanks in advance.--Retrohead (talk) 18:21, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Warned about edit warring. Seems like a legitimate content dispute &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Please block Vandal only account User:2607:FB90:2E00:DE84:0:1:D3E1:4B01
Could you please now block the vandal-only account User:2607:FB90:2E00:DE84:0:1:D3E1:4B01 who you earlier felt had been warned insufficiently? More vandalism and warnings are piling up. I come to your page as a courtesy rather than take this back to the noticeboard. Thanks. Jus da  fax   21:56, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Never mind, thanks. He's blocked. Jus  da  fax   22:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

XTools
Hey, MusikAnimal, I think XTools may need another "reboot" – it seems to be down again. Just so you know! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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The Helping Hand Barnstar

 * My absolute pleasure! It's been great fun and I look forward to the more improvements you have to offer the edit filter management community :) You sort of beat me to the barnstar issuing thing... but that's okay... I just hope any praise you receive will not loose it's luster as a result ;) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:57, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

RfA Report Xtools
Not working. Link can be found [here]... Wikimedia xtools. The site says you're one of the operators, so I thought I'd contact you. Please ping me or leave me a talkback on my talk page. --JustBerry (talk) 02:24, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * All good. Apologies, I still haven't gotten around to writing that bash script to auto-restart the webservice &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:44, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, all right. Let me know if you need help writing stuff. It's in bash? Where is being run from? Ping me. --JustBerry (talk) 02:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Protecting the Pálinka Article
Hi MusikAnimal, you have recently semi-protected the Pálinka article based on persistent disruptive editing (thanks for that, btw). However, now that the protection is gone, the same IPs continue their disruptive editing (still without replying to Talk page comments). Protecting the article again may be an option, or what do you suggest we should do? <font color="DarkSlateGray">K<font color="Teal">&oelig;rte F <font color="Teal">a <font color="DarkSlateGray">{<font color="Teal">ταλκ'' }  21:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd like to defer this to another admin this time around if that's alright. Seems like a legitimate content dispute, but obviously there issues with the IP editor not engaging in discussion. Historically they are editing from multiple IPs so protection is probably still the best route (as opposed to blocking). Please request at WP:RFPP, thanks! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, no worries, and thanks for your prompt response. <font color="DarkSlateGray">K<font color="Teal">&oelig;rte F <font color="Teal">a <font color="DarkSlateGray">{<font color="Teal">ταλκ'' }  21:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Qwertyuiop223
hi i just want to thank u for proving my point about how wikipedia is a use and cucumber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyuiop223 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-39
<section begin="technews-2015-W39"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is now an experimental Wikimedia maps service. You can give feedback here.
 * Last week a few issues with UploadWizard were fixed. Before this was done, UploadWizard would stop you from uploading your files if something went wrong.
 * More Wikipedias can now use information from any Wikidata item in any Wikipedia article. Previously they could only use the Wikidata item that matched the subject of the article.
 * The VisualEditor welcome dialogue has been changed. The intention is to make it more helpful for new users.

Problems
 * Wikimedia Labs' HTTPS certificate expired for most of Tuesday 15 September. To reach Wikimedia Labs and Tool Labs securely you had to ignore your browser's security error message. There was no risk to data security during this time.
 * Last week the notification system was split into two parts. This was temporarily undone because of a bug and performance concerns. It will return to two parts this week.
 * UploadWizard couldn't upload files larger than 5 MB when using chunked uploads. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from September 22. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from September 23. It will be on all Wikipedias from September 24 (calendar).
 * The page move tool has been switched over to the new standard look for forms.
 * You can now choose whether to extend a link or not when editing one in VisualEditor. This means it is easier to choose how much of what you type before and after the link is part of it.
 * Wikibooks can now use data from Wikidata.

Meetings
 * You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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 * You can register to the Wikimedia Developer Summit 2016 in San Francisco 4–6 January 2016. Gadget, template, bot, and tool developers are welcome as well. Call for participation and travel sponsorship requests are open until 2 October.

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Email panic time
Imagine my confusion when I get an email that says "Your user rights have changed on Wikipedia / Your user rights were changed by MusikAnimal. You are now a member of this group: Administrators."

It's like "What? I didn't know I was an administrator!"

Later I read the "earlier" message that said you'd made me an administrator and I figured out that this was about the test: Wikipedia, not en:. Whew.

In any case, I'm glad you were able to get the job done without me, I've been kind of busy off-wiki the last few days. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  18:30, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha yes that must have been an alarming thing to see! Anyway I read into it and I guess testwiki is really reserved for development-related purposes. For this reason I removed the admin bit, so sorry about that. There are numerous wikis available to test out sysop tools, see testwiki:Wikipedia:Requests/Tools. You might also get away with adminship at test2 wiki but I am not a bureaucrat there. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:35, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

WWE Network information
Hello MusikAnimal, I edited the WWE Network page to add information about the newest WWE Network programming featuring WWE's newest tattoo show on the WWE Network which is WWE Superstar Ink, and I also added the official description of WWE's newest show, "The WWE List".

Can you please keep my edit up as I am not trolling and they are all legitimate? Thank you.

Vxmoore (talk) 19:56, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I see now that you were editing in good-faith. The descriptions you used are what made it appear unconstructive, and in fact they still are. We shouldn't use the promotional-sounding official taglines of the programmes, instead use a brief description that you yourself wrote to accurately and neutrally describe the show. Hopefully that makes sense, and let me know if you need help! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

List of previous Days of Our Lives cast members
Hi, MusikAnimal! I see you protected the Days of Our Lives cast members page and was wondering if you could do the same with the "previous" cast page. The same 142-IP editor has been making the same nonsense edits on that page as well. Thanks in advance if you can help with this.Cebr1979 (talk) 04:10, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't have a question mark
When I tried to delete Timothy "Mckenna" Sivore, it jumped to Timothy. As you can see from the history, I moved the article to my userspace without leaving a redirect and then deleted the moved article from my userspace. So, master, what's the reason for this gem? Aren't you glad you're a guru?--Bbb23 (talk) 04:50, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like I fixed it the last time we had an issue (16 September) but forgot to copy it over to MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus-vector.js. Whoops! Should be good now :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:09, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The fix you linked to doesn't help because I can't follow it. What exactly about this page prevented me from deleting it normally (I was able to delete other pages at the same time as I couldn't delete this one)?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That link was just to prove to you that I had fixed it the last time around (as evidenced by the timestamp) :) The double quotes are what was causing the link to break. The JavaScript uses a string to generate the link, and the URL is wrapped in double quotes, so if there are double quotes in the page name the string is improperly truncated. Easily fixed by escaping the string. I'm going to create a bunch of test pages with all sorts of weird characters to make sure we're covering all scenarios, so that stuff like this this won't happen again. But mind you this is all a result of a bug in the MediaWiki JavaScript API! Not a bug in the script written by yours truly! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha! I even understand all that you said. So, the truncation left it with Timothy, the page it jumped to. But - there's always a but with Mr. Quibbler - why did it jump rather than just do nothing (as it did with the ?), or bring up the delete template for Timothy?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The parameters that tell the software what you're trying to do follow the ? character, as with . Here since the double-quotes cut it off the   part was never applied, instead we ended up with   which is the same as   (view the page). It's been so long I don't remember what the issue was the ? that you originally encountered. Either way that makes at least two bugs that you have identified! Keep it coming :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  01:35, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Your wish is my command. Mehranhamza(moonhamza) gets this error message: The requested page title contains invalid characters: "%28". --Bbb23 (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like lots of special characters don't work now. I'm gonna stop patrolling CSD until you fix it - too much bother. See Cho'zyn boy.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Coincidentally I am working on kinking out these bugs right now! You'll see I just deleted it, so I have a fix :) Let me fix everything (all freakin' links) once and for all then I will update the gadget. Take a look at User:MusikAnimal/Test pages. I think that covers most everything, if you think of some other kind of title that might break the script let me know or create it as a subpage of User:MusikAnimal/Test pages. Sorry for all the bugs!!! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Okee doke, I've update the delete/protect/edit intro links, they worked on all of my test pages. Give it a try at Cho'zyn boy. I'm going to continue to make sure the external tools links work, as some of them require things to be encoded differently. Anyway you should be good to continue with your patrolling! Sorry again for the trouble! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Works now on Cho'zyn boy, thanks! There's an upside to the bugs. I have an excuse for not working as hard.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you MusikAnimal for your advice about getting me here. Much appreciated! --A.S. Brown (talk) 00:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Mail call
Dropped you a line <b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">Worm</b>TT(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 13:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello from 96.5.121.250
In advance, any dumb posts you get from here are from complete idiots. Hence my recent edit to Digital Harbor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.5.121.250 (talk) 14:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from YPT50
Hello - I was hoping you could tell me the status of Young People's Theatre, which I have been blocked from editing. I understand where I went wrong in copying certain text from www.youngpeoplestheatre.ca (of which I am an employee). Is there a way for me to continue editing the page now? - Clare, Sept. 23, 2015 YPT50 (talk) 17:22, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Clare. First and foremost: It is a major concern that you are editing on behalf of your organization. The fact that you are an employee of the subject makes you subject to a conflict of interest. Generally it's best that you do not write about subjects you are affiliated with, as it can be difficult to maintain a neutral tone and/or unbiased approach to your writing. You should disclose your affiliation anywhere a discussion takes place about the Young People's Theater.As for the copyright concerns, this involves legal matters so we are very strict about it. You cannot copy and paste content from other sources unless it is released under a license compatible with Wikipedia. You could try to get the text properly relicensed, but sometimes it's easier to just put it in your own words. More on that at WP:DONATETEXT.Again I strongly discourage you from editing about Young People's Theater. If you do, please review Conflict of interest to understand why this is a problem, specifically WP:DISCLOSURE so that it is clear to you that you should disclose your connection. Thanks and sorry my assistance could not be more favourable &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help - I have familiarized myself with all the guidelines and rules now. My first concern is to have the Young People's Theatre page unblocked for regular readers to view. What do I have to do in order for this to happen?YPT50 (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you mean Young People's Theatre? I removed the copyright information and the template that hid the text. It is fully viewable now. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:39, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * He may have meant User:Young People's Theatre. See related discussion at the bottom of User talk:Young People's Theatre (as of 22:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)) started by this editor and which involved edits by . davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  22:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

extending protection from disruption?
Hi, you recently semi protected Subhas Chandra Bose due to persistent disruption by IPs. As soon as they realize Death of Subhas Chandra Bose exists, the trouble will just move there. can you extend the protection to include the spin out article?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:04, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well we generally do not protect preemptively. The protection there just expired, let's wait and see what happens. We can always restore the pretection if needed. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

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