User talk:Mutt Lunker/Archive 17

173.93.107.4
I found an edit of yours re this IP on my watchlist ... I blocked it and requested a global block on the IP, because of the relevant user's previous cross-wiki abuse. Graham 87 06:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Great stuff, thanks. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * They're back again already, as User:173.93.117.22, an IP they've used before. You couldn't swat this one too could you? Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * FYI I've blocked 173.93.96.0/19 for 6 months.-- Ponyo bons mots 00:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool, I've requested a global block there too. Graham 87 04:32, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Picts
Hey! How's it going?

Just letting you know I'm still working on the Picts article. Reverting all the changes I've made is not constructive. I realize it's a lot of edits but the article needs work. I'm trimming the content down to make it more concise, but I'm leaving everything sourced okay so the article is okay even while I edit. Just give me 24 hours to complete my edits then we can go and take out whatever is not necessary after discussing on the Talk Page.

Thanks :) LightProof1995 (talk) 12:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * One place is enough for this discussion but, suffice to say, that is not how things work here. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please, do not accuse other editors of vandalism, when their edits are clearly not. It's disruptive, it's a provocation that makes it that much more difficult to solve a content dispute and can lead to blocks. Salvio giuliano 16:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can I clarify, are you referring to this? "uw-disruptive4" is what I'd have gone for if such a template was available, "uw-unsourced4" would also be accurate, so the template choice I made could have been better, granted. Disruptive though? Somewhat provocative notion itself. Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Or, you know, you could have left a handwritten warning, templates are fine for newcomers and vandals, but for more established users, talking is better. And yes, accusing other editors who vandalism is disruptive and should be avoided, because it's not civil (WP:ICA)... Salvio giuliano 17:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I made a less-than-careful mischaracterisation of disruptive editing as having been vandalous. I've acknowledged that and refrained from digging.
 * To advance an interpretation of ATWV that to fail is actively disruptive seems less-than careful and an "accusation of impropriety". We're all busy, we all make good faith mistakes. Would we be better with both our spades relinquished? Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

FM / premier
Hey. Just to clarify my edit on this. I was confused by your edits and butchered my edit summary.

The source is not authoritative and does not say that the two are analogous. It's just one speaker in a debate arguing for 'premier', in an obvious political context. Scotland and Canadian provinces are also obviously not directly analogous, and the source doesn't mention South African or Australian examples. // Hippo43 (talk) 01:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

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Please stop reverting my edits and take any accusations you have to an admin
I’m not sure what your problem with me is but I would like to assure you I have not been sockpuppeting whatsoever. I am a genuine user who has been making useful contributions. Therefore if you want to continue to make these false allegations and reverting all my edits I suggest you do so to an admin who could possibly investigate this matter for both of us. Let me know if you would like to discuss whatever problem you may have. BlaineCreek (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Surprise, surprise, the SPI was positive. They never learn, do they? BilCat (talk) 22:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I never get bored of this game. 10mmsocket (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they're a goldfish. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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Duke of Edinburgh
Hello, I don't know which quote you want to use to verify what has been said in the '2023 creation' section, so I provided some possible quotes from The Telegraph article.

"Another thing had also happened in the intervening period: the rise of the Scottish National Party. With the Union hanging in the balance, was it really the right decision to give the Edinburgh dukedom to someone descending fast down the royal ranking? Why not confer the title on the Princess Royal, a trusted royal trouper whose love of Scotland is well known?"

"It should not go unnoticed that this announcement came just weeks after Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s First Minister, announced her resignation. With the prospect of Scottish independence now looking less likely, there is far less risk in making the trusty Wessexes the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh for now, if not forever."

These quotes come from Camilla Tominey.

DDMS123 (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing this, though if you could post it at the talk page itself, that would provide material for further discussion in the appropriate place. It indicates to me that what the article says is somewhat of a misinterpretation of the source. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I transferred the quotes to the actual talk page. DDMS123 (talk) 19:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No w worries. Great, thanks. Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Gaelic
Cheers for stepping in there. There's banter (I do it too) and then there's... that.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  20:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Aye, the only reason for not going for a straight revert was the chance that the incomprehensibility of the last sentence might have been obscuring a valid point. Slim chance, granted. Good point re RGW. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Rudeness is not appreciated
As ever, Mutt, you have come across as rude and passive aggressive with your insults on the Scotland talk page and, for what it's worth, is unappreciated.

We may have disagreements on which image is best, but I do not appreciate your choice of words when using the term "idiosyncratic preferences" and would ask you to consider reflecting on this and refrain for using personal insults in the future.

Wikipedia is a community built on common understanding and respect for everyone, yes, we may not always get it right and agree, but try and show some respect as you are not the only one around here with a point of view. Under no circumstances should any user, you or anyone else, ever feel the need to use rudeness when users are trying to improve articles in good faith. I would kindly ask you to consider this and reflect on your choice of language and actions, as I am sure you are aware of Wikipedia's policies. Goodreg3 (talk) 23:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Badass, Gravure Idol, Salaryman and Host Club
Aren't those four words American terms that are not used in British English?

At least Host Clubs and Gravure Idols are completely unheard of in Europe. 2.44.107.155 (talk) 19:42, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If this refers to a previous edit or engagement, you'll have to remind me with details but the latter three are Japanese. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:54, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It refers to a previous edit. 2.44.107.155 (talk) 19:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * But you won't be revealing which one because my answer above suffices? Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The second to last edit in "american terms not used in british english" where I put "gravure idol". 2.44.107.155 (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * To which my response was that the "Term is Japanese"? Also, per my response above. The term is Japanese. Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:10, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also Wiener, as in "penis" is a term that is an americanism not used in the UK. Wiktionary itself states "wiener" as in "penis" to be only used in the US and Canada
 * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wiener#:~:text=(Canada%2C%20US%2C%20colloquial),to%20partake%20in%20certain%20activities. 93.144.189.243 (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Response. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Socks
Thanks for keeping an eye on the NOTBROKEN socks. I'm not sure whether they've become more prolific or you're finding new accounts that we'd overlooked, but either way it's a valuable contribution. Certes (talk) 09:38, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * On this topic, if you come across User:Kung Hibbe socks, feel free to ping me. I'm also familiar with their work and am willing to block the accounts. Canterbury Tail talk 06:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on The Hershey Company
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It has been a while...
- what do you think? I have almost missed him it's been so long! 10mmsocket (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sportspeople from Valleyfield, Fife


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Notbroken
A recent edit to WP:Oversight aroused my suspicions. Is Kung Hibbe back? Both accounts' home wiki is Swedish. Interaction is fairly strong considering the new account's low edit count, but there are only a couple of Canada edits and nothing Scottish. What do you think? Certes (talk) 16:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good spot; I'd say the connection is highly likely with the style of edits, type of topics covered, Swedish connection and creation within a few days of the blocking of their previous sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the second opinion. Reported to SPI. Certes (talk) 21:12, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, certain now. This change is a signature one. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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About Scots Inglis
So, hypothetically if I re-add it, but instead of using Inglis use English so it's Scots English instead of Scots Inglis could it stay BigFoxGaming (talk) 00:15, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

28 Roseangle
Something I have been looking at in the last few months is 28 Roseangle (not to be confused with the murder house) which there is quite a bit online about the history due to the compulsory purchase etc. I have created a draft at User:Crouch, Swale/28 Roseangle which you could look at if you want. I'm not sure it would pass the notability guidelines as its only category C and without a name but there may be enough coverage. I just though you might be interested as you seem to be interested in the Fife area, thanks.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there, looks like a quirky wee building but not sure anything leaps out to fulfil WP:NBUILD: "may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability". I've only skimmed the refs though. Anything therein that point to the criteria? Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would point out that WP:GEOFEAT suggests listed buildings are notable but given its only Category C without a name and a private building I'd argue that we shouldn't presume its notable, see Articles for deletion/172 High Street, Elstow (2nd nomination). All the other coverage seems to be about the fact its a neglected listed building but I'm not sure if that would pass GNG. We do have List of listed buildings in Dundee/4 that mentions it already.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I must be missing the mention of listed buildings at GEOFEAT, unless you are extrapolating to "architectural importance", per my quote above? Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Artificial geographical features that are officially assigned the status of cultural heritage or national heritage, or of any other protected status on a national level and for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available, are presumed to be notable.". The Category A, B and C listings are national heritage (as opposed to say a locally listed building) and the listing does seem to provide more information beyond simple statistics.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)