User talk:MvibezG

Nomination of Mksmth for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mksmth is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Mksmth until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Tomi Jenkins article
Tomi's article needs some major edits. The biggest issue is that you shouldn't repeat the accomplishments of Cameo, but instead should describe Tomi's own notability as it relates to the band, with third-party sources discussing the importance of his influence. Otherwise, editors will make the argument that while Cameo, and some of the songs he co-wrote, are notable, he individually is not. In your research, were you able to find sources that discussed him as an artist, and the contributions he made to the band? That type of material is what will provide him with notability, a pre-requisite for having an article in Wikipedia. Here are some sources that will help you tweak this article to meet the notability standards: WP:MUSICBIO, WP:COMPOSER, WP:ARTIST. Does that make sense? If you have any questions, you can ask on my talk page, or just post below this comment and I'll see it.  Orville1974  (talk) 06:04, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Orville1974, can I leave in all the information about Cameo that pertains to the songs he co-wrote? I also added in two more references that highlight Tomi's notability to the group, spoken from secondary sources. I have also referenced his Allmusic.com page which has a biography about him, written by a secondary author. Is this enough? Tomi has been with Cameo since he was 18 years old so a lot of his achievements revolve around the band. I will also trim down the lead section and move that information to his "Music Career" section. Thank you for the feedback and please let me know if there is any other way to improve this page. (talk) 11:11, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. I went in and re-arranged the article contents.  I also removed the links to other Wikipedia articles.  It still needs non-Wikipedia sources (you should be able to easily find them in the Cameo article as footnotes).  Those will support the now unsourced material that you had pulled from the Cameo Wikipedia page.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Orville1974. For the article contents which you removed, is that due to lack of sourcing or lack of relevance? Just so I know not to re-add anything similar. I will visit Cameo's footnotes for more sourcing. Thank a lot!
 * I agree with Orville1974 above – there is literally just one sentence in the entire article that is not related to Cameo. As you note, Jenkins has been with Cameo his whole working life, but that just makes it even more likely that this will be nominated for merging to the Cameo article sooner rather than later. Richard3120 (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey Richard3120, some points about Tomi's work outside of Cameo have been removed: the movie he is working on, the novels he has published, other songs which have been released solo, etc. Should I re add to help keep this page separate from Cameo's?
 * Well, I'm sure this has already been mentioned to you, but you should only add them if they can be cited from sources that conform to WP:RS – no blogs, no official websites or social media that are related to the artist himself, and no using other Wikipedia pages as a reference, as this violates WP:CIRCULAR. Richard3120 (talk) 15:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi again MvibezG, I see Richard3120 has already answered a few of your questions. Your primary focus should be on citing independent, third-party WP:RS sources that talk about Tomi Jenkins' influence, abilities, talent, etc. specifically.  Orville1974  (talk) 20:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)