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The article PennyTel has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article seemed to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.

Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and for specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for musicians, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki 00:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Schoolhouse (software)
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Queen of the Netherlands (ship)
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AfD nomination of Queen of the Netherlands (ship)
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Speedy deletion
Regarding the page Image:Xaviercollegelogo.jpg, which you tagged for speedy deletion on the basis of an image or other media file that is a redundant copy, in the same file format, and at the same or lower quality/resolution, of Image:Xaviercollegelogo.png, which is on Wikipedia, and all inward links have been updated, I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This page does not qualify for speedy deletion under that criterion because they are not in the same file format. If you still want the page to be deleted, please re-tag it under a CSD criterion that applies, or list the image at images for deletion. Stifle (talk) 10:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Reasoning
The gourmet thing is so damned subjective I am not opposing your comments - more wondering if there is some boring statistical source that might quantify or qualify your reasoning - the latest cut to the abs means there will be limited info in the future from the abs - but maybe a recent australian year book - and numbers of restaurants might be one thing that can sort of back up - best of luck with the developing the thing anyways - cheers SatuSuro 11:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

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What John Brumby Will Be Remembered For
Some of the biggest achievements of John Brumby and his predecessor Steve Bracks would have to be a huge waste of public funds. Some of the "success" stories would have to be the woeful state of Victoria's traffic network. Public Transport network has suffered delays and unbelievably high expenses just to implement the new ticketing system, so called Myki. Some of the other achievements of John Brumby and former Premier Bracks would have to be the fact that around 10% of total number of Victorian drivers have lost their licences due to huge pressure from the Victorian government to issue speeding fines for even the minor speed limit transgressions. This means that Victoria Police and hundreds of hidden revenue raising cameras issue speeding tickets for speeding below the +10% ADR defined speedometer accuracy limits. This greedy money grab by the Brumby state government ensures that the Victorian State Government expects the speeding ticket revenue to amount to a massive AUD$1500 million over the next 2 years. ]

John Brumby and his Ministers have also implemented a so called tough new so called "anti-hoon" laws. This is a politically driven decision to appease hundreds of worried citizens that have noticed that Brumby and the Victorian state governemnt has not done a thing to improve the roads around the state.

Apologies for an earlier attack mate, I just got peeved off that not so convenient truths are being deleted from the entries regarding our beloved state government and the premiers bio's. I can smell some State Employee rats trawling the cyber space around us removing everything that is well known fact and should be openly stated, removing it because it looks bad. Blackspurboys (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem mate. Good luck with your future edits Mvjs (talk) 07:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've posted my reply on User talk:Orderinchaos. Bidgee (talk) 07:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ha, ha, I'll need some luck, this wiki has so many rules I'm getting lost. Gimme a few weeks before I attempt a new edit ;) Blackspurboys (talk) 09:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Launceston Airport
Hi, just letting you know that Qantas has not flown 737's to LST for over a year now. The only Qantas branded flights are Eastern (Qantaslink) Dash 8's. Check out www.qantas.com.au to confirm.

Cheers. Andrew Tazkal (talk) 12:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Not so fast
You appear to have mis-identified a couple of edits I made as an IP before logging on. They were not vandalism; don't bite the newbies. LOL I see you got the wrong user! Dan100 (Talk) 11:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm just starting out with patrolling recent changes and accidently warned the wrong user while I was reverting vandalism. I hope s/he forgives me! Mvjs (talk) 12:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to Compu-toon
Did you realize that you were restoring vandalism here? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually thought I was reverting vandalism, as above, I'm still acquainting myself with the patrolling process. Sorry for any inconvenience! Mvjs (talk) 00:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured you were probably acting in good faith. Just make sure to give the things you revert while on patrol a bit of a read.  Cheers, and happy editing, Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll certainly give things a deeper read in future. If I had've read past the second line, it was pretty obviously nonsense. Ah well, I guess it's all part of the learning process. Mvjs (talk) 00:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Anelosimus studiosus
I have fixed up this stub you nominated for speedy deletion. Is that better? Bearian (talk) 01:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's certainly an improvement. "identified by Simon" is a bit vague without a last name. I think it's fine with external websites verifying its existence and notability. Mvjs (talk) 01:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Gothenburg Archipelago
Hi! I am struggling to create a new article, as there is a redirection from Gothenburg archipelago to Gothenburg { which prevents me from doing so without problems. I have already translated the Swedish article and saved it in Text mode. Could you please help me solve this problem: How can I delete this undue redirection (that's the reason why the Swedish didn't link their Göteborgs skärgård to the English Göteborg)? I have removed the {db-nocontext}} template. Many thanks forward. ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 11:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, where are you actually trying to establish the article? If you are trying to establish it at Gothenburg archipelago, to edit the page go here. Or would you prefer to move Gothenburg Archipelago to Gothenburg archipelago? That can be done here or if you like I can assist you with that. Let me know if I can be any further help and thanks for your contributions!  Mvjs (talk) 11:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again! Many thanks for your help. But I have a whole lot of problems with my browsers right now (or is it the local network - dunna…) and I'd better wait until tonight or tomorrow to load the new article. I can only write short lines in very short periods as both browsers quit without prior notice (hope it won't do the same before I will have finished this…). Could you please:

Many thanx forward, again, and excuse me fo writing so quickly… --✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 13:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Put a suitable banner ahead of the Gothenburg Archipelago, indicating that this article will be written shortly;
 * 2) Tell me whether I could transfer the text from Southern Gothenburg Archipelago into Gothenburg Archipelago and delete the former, as there is absolutely no reason to separate both parts.
 * Hi, it is much better to actually move the article (by the move command at the top) than to simply copy paste the text. This preserves the page's history. But since both articles have content on them, the move (or maybe this would be considered a merge) must be completed by an administrator and unfortunately I am not one.  As you requested, I've put an underconstruction notice on the page. Mvjs (talk) 23:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Vito giammetta declined speedy
as it is Italian. Can you translate? At any rate, I marked it for translation and PROD. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  14:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Macht nichts. It was a copyvio. Dloh  cierekim  14:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry I have no knowledge of Italian but regardless looks like the article has been deleted. Mvjs (talk) 23:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

hello
Hi, i just made the disambiguation page of Khatron ke khiladi before, so that i can create an article of the same name Khatron ke Khiladi (TV Series) soon.

Anyway, what do you do? An engineer you are ? --Jayanta (Talk) 04:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, no I am not an engineer. I removed the speedy deletion notice from the page as the article has actually been created. Thanks for your contributions! Namasté Mvjs (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Just got the messages. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Breadandsocks (talk • contribs) 05:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Tehosekoitin
Why do you think the Tehosekoitin article is not wiki relevant. Its a quite famous band in Suomi. There just exists a finnish wiki version but not that many ppl are able to read finnish ;-). A lot of ppl use wikipedia to find more information about a new band they've found. The text info is not that long because they had did not so many mentionable things in Europe except touring some clubs. I created the page because I was right one of these persons who wanted to discover some facts about them. The last.fm page was not very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phryx (talk • contribs) 13:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I wasn't aware that it exists on the Finnish Wikipedia (it's not linked in the other languages section on the side), that certainly could give the article some credence - as it would've been ascertained on the Finnish Wikipedia that the band was notable. If you can add some articles in third party, independent publications, I'm pretty sure that the article will stay.  Just remember to "indicate the importance or significance of the subject" [as per WP:CSD].  Thanks for your contributions! Mvjs (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've linked the Finnish article on the side for you. That should help. Mvjs (talk) 13:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Enough of speedy deletions on pages that are part of projects, please
Mvjs, you have marked a few of my articles this morning for speedy delete. As per their discussion page, they are part of projects. Please stop being so speedy on your speedy deletions, or at least realize that PROJECT PAGES are meant to be there, even if they're just slightly enhanced stubs to begin with. Your overexuberance to delete is NOT a benefit to Wikipedia, and you have merely added MORE time for me (and others) defending articles, and that means less of my precious time is available to CREATE important pages. Thank you in advance Bwilkins (talk) 13:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Bwilkins, could you please explain what Project pages are? Thanks in advance Mvjs (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Go any page I created this morning. Before you mark it for speedy deletion, go to its discussion page. You will see the related projects.  It's one of the first things you learn as a new Page Patroller :) Thanks again in advance Bwilkins (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bwilkins, I'll certainly take this onboard. I might've been a little too eager as its my first really go as a new page patroller.  Thanks for this mentoring and hopefully it makes me a better editor! Mvjs (talk) 13:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If I can please intrude, since I removed the Speedy Delete tags. First, I would ask Bwilkins to please calm down a bit -- I understand your time and emotional investment in the articles, but the articles are now online and I would recommend spending your time improving them.  I would respectfully make two requests. For Bwilkins, please do not add new articles unless you have at least two independent referenced sources linked to the article, as per WP:RS requirements. This will prevent any future misunderstanding.  And for Mvjs, I would respectfully ask that you take a minute to realise that some of these articles are actually works in progress.  This has happened to me a lot -- I put a speedy delete tag up, but minutes later I find a half-dozen references added to the article.  Also, if you have any doubt on a topic, take a minute to do a quick Google search to confirm notability.  I did that with the article on The Flummies, which is why I removed the tag you put there.  I hope my intrusion was not stressful, and let's all work together to improve and expand Wikipedia's coverage.  Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ecoleetage as well. I'll try and give speedys a little more thought in future. Thanks both of you again! Mvjs (talk) 13:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember, that the NPP is a dual purpose endeavour: we are here to get rid of the muck (of which there is plenty), but we are also here to ensure that good articles get their proper foundation. Some articles are ready-to-go, but many need help.  You can help by adding WikiProject templates to Talk Pages, or adding various tags to the article pages (if referencing, expansion, conflicts of interest or wikifying is required).  And, by the way, if you like an article, feel free to leave a message on the article author's talk page.  People love to get words of praise and thanks -- it is therapeutic, truly.  Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)



Ecoleetage (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, and remember: "All men are created equal, but ambition, or lack of it, soon separates them."Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

That_that_is_is_that_that_is_not_is_not_is_that_it_it_is
By the way, I saw another article that you tagged for Speedy Delete that had the tag removed. I took the article to AfD:. Sometimes, it is better to take articles to AfD -- you get consensus to confirm your instincts. Feel free to weigh in on that AfD discussion. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I am going to add DNA Baser to the AfD slate. Your speedy delete tag on that was removed, though I should say I think that was a mistake. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

RE:Barnstar
Thank you for noticing, although using AWB did help plenty to reduce the pain. ;) Btw, I noticed a few articles still refers to the airport as "Mascot Airport", and I have opted to let the name remain but to link it to Sydney Airport (for eg: R v Burgess; Ex parte Henry). Would do you feel about this, or should it be best to simply update all names to Sydney Airport?--Huaiwei (talk) 13:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's best to standardise all names to Sydney Airport. I think Mascot might even be even more antiquated than Kingsford Smith. I can't see really see any logic in leaving it as Mascot Airport? Mvjs (talk) 13:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm...it may be prudent in history-related articles which are more time-sensitive. Something like how older references to Nanjing is still "Nanking" (Nanking Massacre). The only catch is I am unsure if "Mascot Airport" was an official name back then?--Huaiwei (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think calling it Mascot Airport might be in the same vein as calling Melbourne Airport Tullamarine Airport - by no means the official name, but by some more natural. Mascot Airport might be used to distinguish the airport from Bankstown, but I think these days the name Kingsford Smith would be used. I've never heard of the airport been officially called Mascot Airport, but I may be wrong. Mvjs (talk) 13:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Brisbane image
It is not the trend to keep a map of the city within the infobox, Brisbane should maintain a page similar to that of Sydney and Melbourne which feature picture within the infobox and the map below the infobox. Please keep this photo or replace the photo with a more recent one instead of replacing it with the map. Thank-You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lav90 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lav90, if you take a look at the talk page, you'll see a large discussion regarding this. The image and design of the map are being discussed, so could you please refrain from changing this until it is finalised on the talk page.  I'm not debating whether an image should be in there instead of a map - that's been decided.  What is still being ascertained is exactly where the map should go and what image.  If you take a look at the page history, you'll see this being added and reverted several times: so please add your opinion to the talk page instead of making unconstructive edits. Mvjs (talk) 10:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Worlds Largest Airlines Thanks
I appreciate your help on the Oceania part of Largest airlines.

your help
I am glad someone like yourself is helping. I have been dealing with him for a while. If you could if you feel like everything is correct back me up as you did earlier. Also sorry about the revert. Thanks from Sparrowman980 (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Quantas or Qantas.
I did not vandalise the page, I only added a simple question. All other changes were not mine.--Dmol (talk) 08:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It appeared as if you replaced Talk:Qantas with the contents of Cedar Key. I think that is considered vandalism. Nevertheless, it has since been reverted. Mvjs (talk) 08:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I got the same page coming up here. Fixed now, and re-added my original comments.--Dmol (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Help me please
Hi i uploaded some photos i took but i don't know how to fix them from being deleted. I want to give them normal GNU type license.

How do i do it?

See my talk page for the warnings. ThanksBrisbane Man (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Brisbane Man, I'm not too sure on why these bots are bringing up your images but these people could definitely help you Media copyright questions. Cheers. Mvjs (talk) 08:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Qantas Flight 30: AfD rationale
Greetings. Can you please fully explain the rationale of the AfD notice for the article, Qantas Flight 30. Thank you for your attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardchu (talk • contribs) 20:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, as I have posted under your message at Talk:Qantas Flight 30, an AfD tag should only be removed when a consensus is achieved at Articles for deletion/Qantas Flight 30. There is much discussion there about why the article should be kept/deleted.  Please feel free to add in your thoughts there. Thanks! Mvjs (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I've made my comment and motion to keep the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Qantas_Flight_30#Qantas_Flight_30 {Howardchu (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)}
 * Thanks! Mvjs (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Launceston Airport
I've noticed a bit of an Edit war between you and Aaroncrick on the Launceston Airport page. While i do not dispute your information (as it clearly sourced), i would suggest explaining the last part of the sentence FY 2019-20, as it is not easily understandable. I would also suggest you seek advice from an Administrator in regards to the edit war in progress, as it is not a good matter to have ongoing on the article. Kind regards Wiki ian 07:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I've expanded FY --> Fiscal Year and I've made a note on the talk page.  Hopefully all should be OK. Mvjs (talk) 07:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

2028 Olympics
I removed the section about the Melbourne and Perth bids. The references you provided were either not a valid link or mentioned nothing at all about the 2028 Olympics or even the Olympics in general. Please do not add them again unless there are valid references that specifically state 2028 or refer to 2028 (e.g. a bid sometime in the next 20 years). Refer to the other bid references as examples of strong documented references to possible bids.--TruckOttr (talk) 06:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Need Help - Moorabbin Airport
Hi! Firstly, thanks for the welcome on my talk page, I appreciate it. You may've looked at my contributions and seen I've been editing a lot of airports. I came across the page for Moorabbin Airport and noticed it was unusually short, given its history and significance in the local aviation community. The Moorabbin Airport Corporations website has a great history section, conplete with photographs, which would be perfect for the article, but I don't know anything about the copyright or GFDL in relation to using that source. What should I do? \ / (talk) 02:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi mate, rule of thumb is, unless it specifically states otherwise, the work is under copyright and can not be used on Wikipedia. You could seek permission from Moorabbin Airports Corporation to use the content, but otherwise, unfortunately, it's a no go. Take a look at Copyright problems for some more information regarding this.  Thanks for your contributions and again, welcome to Wikipedia. Mvjs (talk) 03:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've sent an email to the contact address on that website, detailing the situation and asking for permission, but I am not exactly optimistic. I will let you know if I get a reply. \ / (talk) 12:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Kudos to you for not just blindly copy and pasting the content and uploading the images like some new editors seem to do. It's great to see some more editors working on Australian airports! Mvjs (talk) 12:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have received permission from the Australian National Aviation Museum to use some of their work, including images, in the Moorabbin and any other ANAM related use. How do I upload it with appropriate copyright tags? \ / (talk) 05:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, I'm not certain on the exact procedure that must take place to make known that you have the copyright owner's permission. I think Wikipedia_talk:Copyright problems might be a good place to confirm some of these rules. But it seems you must get the owner to release it under the GFDL. Again, you should confirm some of these procedures with the link I gave you - these people are much more knowledgeable than me about this! Cheers. Mvjs (talk) 07:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No response from the Moorabbin Airport Corporation - hardly a surprise. Ah well. \ / (talk) 12:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne Airport - Accidents and Incidents
Hello Again! It seems the location of the accidents and incidents isn't consistent. I've looked a lot more at American Airports, such as JFK, ATL and LAX. But, the status quo seems to be better - I don't feel like there is a real need for it to be moved, I just did it for consistency. Thanks :) \ / (talk) 11:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi mate, yeah, Wikipedia isn't always as consistent as it ought to be. Sorry for probably not leading you in the complete right direction in regards to the copyrighted content. It sounds like you've got to go through some other rigmarole now. Hopefully all goes well. Thanks for all your contributions to Australian airports, you've done some superb work. Mvjs (talk) 11:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Help Needed
Hello again! I noticed some vandalism on the Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965, and although I undid the first edit, he has since made 4 more and I don't know the proper procedure. Are you able to do something? \ / (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've rolled back the edits using Twinkle (which is a nice anti-vandalism tool btw) and have warned the user using the warnings at WP:WARN. If the vandalism continues, a level two warning can be issued, a level three and so on. Thanks for your copyediting on Melbourne Airport as well! 11:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Tiger
I have replied on the article talk page --Matilda talk 21:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi - I can see yo are in the middle of the revision - I think it is a good idea. I just note that  according to WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide cities and destinations should not be linked - the airports should --Matilda talk 06:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear you like it. The policy you seem to be referring to applies to airport articles and I don't think that applies to airline destination lists. I know it's not good to bring up this but cities are linked on pretty much all airline destination lists - take a look at a few. Cheers. Mvjs (talk) 06:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm - I see what you mean - it is a rather confusing style guide but I can see that the subpoint about not listing cities is under the airports subhead.  Still to me I hate overlinking: if only the airport is linked it stands out  a bit more, at the moment it is a bit of a sea of blue - I am not very fussed though! and I am pleased to see the dates not linked. I think focusing on the two hubs is good and makes more sense than before Regards --Matilda talk 07:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne population projections
Hi Mvjs, I notice your recent edit in the Melbourne article regarding population projections. While I think that your change to alter the phrase "media speculation" to "demographic study" was a good edit, I think your changes to the rest of that paragraph have actually made it less clear. I would hope to change this part back to my original wording, but I wanted to explain/discuss it with you first, since the edit summary box is too small and - I know we reverted each other's edits in this area a couple of months ago - I don't want to give the impression that I am being unfriendly towards you personally. Speaking of which, I'm sorry if my edit summary back then seemed hostile towards you at the time; my frustration was at the journalist who wrote the figure, not you, and I guess it was the end of a long day.

With the projected populations, the ABS actually publishes figures for 72 different data series, each one based on a different combination of factors such as future rates of fertility, internal and external migration, etc. What I mean is that each of these individual factors might be low, medium or high (3 options) or possibly just low or high (2 options), and the expected population has been calculated, for each year, for all 72 possible combinations. 72 is 2x2x2x3x3 so I'm guessing there are 5 different factors considered. (I've lost the link to the actual page in the ABS website where this is all properly explained.) You can find all 72 series in the data cubes available for download on the website. Now out of those 72 possible combinations, 3 of them have been selected as examples on the summary page and labelled A, B and C. Series A and C are basically the 'extreme' examples, where the contributing factors are 'all high', or 'all low' respectively, whereas series B is in the middle of the range. I think that Series B is intended to be used as the ABS's 'main' prediction, eg when a reporter wants to simply say "The ABS predicts the population will be XXXX" they would use the series B figure, whereas A and C help to show how widely the reality could potentially diverge from the main prediction, if future trends turn out to be very different from the current ones.

Of course it would be far too much to try to explain all of that in the article itself, so what I have tried to do is to emphasise the main thrust of the ABS figures, which is that the bureau's 'best' prediction (series B) shows that Melbourne will not overtake Sydney before 2056 but will narrow the gap quite a bit. And, even the more 'pessimistic' projections (such as series C) still show the gap a little smaller in absolute terms than it currently is, whereas a few of the more 'optimistic' projections, (such as series A) show Melbourne actually overtaking Sydney before the 2050s. I tried to be as correct and concise with this as I could be, mentioning the sorts of factors that lead to this more 'optimistic' scenario, without getting bogged down in letters and percentages.

But I think that this part of the paragraph has lost its original meaning with your changes, which seem to imply that there were three equally likely projections made, and I think the way you have introduced the word 'scenarios' at the beginning of the sentence would confuse a reader who reads the whole paragraph from the top. Therefore, I think the wording was better the way I had it originally.

Sorry if that was a bit long but I hope I've expressed my thoughts clearly here, and haven't come across as hostile. Let me know if you have any have any thoughts on any of this. Cheers, Easel3 (talk) 14:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You seem to know a lot more about this than I do! I'd be inclined to list the B "standard" scenario as you said, in that paragraph but also mention that the ABS have an "optimistic" scenario predicting Melbourne's population to exceed Sydney's in 2039. Otherwise, I think stating "the ABS predict that Melbourne won't exceed Sydney's population before 2056" is a bit misleading. What would your thoughts on that be? Mvjs (talk) 06:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Links to commons galleries
Please stop deleting links to commons galleries from the Sydney article. The galleries are all relevant to the article and provide more info than other galleries. The commons link you put in doesn't cover a fraction of the galleries on Sydney subjects. One point of commons galleries is that they can be linked to relevant articles and expand the coverage of that article. That's what these galleries do, so please stop deleting them. If I were putting my galleries in the article itself, you would have a point, but I'm not and you don't, so please stop deleting the links. Do I have to take this to mediation?

Sardaka (talk) 10:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry mate. I removed the link to the Sydney Architecture Commons gallery once as it was my impression that the pictures in that were already in the Sydney one, as I explained in the edit summary some thirty days ago. Obviously I was wrong. I removed this one link once in good faith and I apologise for any inconvenience this caused you. Mvjs (talk) 11:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Country Club Casino
It's not some little country club as you have wrongly stated. It's Australia's only Country Club Casino and one of the first casino's to be built in Australia. Country Club Tasmania also recently won the Best Entertainment Venue in Australia at the 2008 Australian Hotel Association National Awards for Excellence. It includes; a 18 hole championship golf course, Driving range (the only one in Launceston), Health Centre, Tennis and squash Courts, trout fishing, Horse Riding and Wildlife. Not to mention it also hosts major events in Launceston. By the way it also won Tasmania's Best Entertainment Venue at the AHA Awards for Excellence, 2007. Beating Wrest Point Casino in Hobart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaroncrick (talk • contribs) 01:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * All words and no sources. 18 hole golf courses are not notable in it's own right (Takes a lot for it to be notable), Driving range again not notable (So what if it's the only one in Launceston), Health Centre also not notable. Infact I could right a long list of not notables from the above. Bidgee (talk) 01:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I know it's not on it's own right, but put into together it is. So your saying a casino is not notable?? Have you been there to know? Aaroncrick (talk) 03:27, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne Airport, are you thinking of an FAC?
Hello, I was recently tagging some aviation articles when I came upon this article on accident. have you considered putting this up for FAC, because I was shocked at the quality of this article. This is indeed one of the finest airport articles I have ever seen, love the detailed info on terminals, and the A380. If you plan on putting this up to FAC then I would love to do some independent copy editing, but in a nutshell I just wanted to congratulate you and others on a great article I will try to base future airport articles off of. -Marcusmax (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Marcus! Putting this article up for FA status was brought up when this article received GA status and I am still very much enthusiastic about taking it there. I would be thrilled if you could give Melbourne Airport a nice solid copy edit and I think we'd be extremely close to FA then. If you could provide any further suggestions on getting this article to GA status, they'd be much appreciated. Mvjs (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, I would once again want to say this is by far one of the best Airport Articles I have ever seen, perhaps better then any Category:FA-Class aviation articles we currently have. 117 refs, wow thats probably about 12 times more then other GA's. The many tables are very smart, we should probably start adding them into Canadian and American airports as well, once again this article is ahead of the game. There are some WP:MOS issues in terms of structure, but these will be easily taken care of during my copyedit. Your Accidents and incidents is in the wrong spot, but I will easily move that during my copyedit also. When an airport article is up for FAC, many of the users who review the article are unfamiliar with the way we structure airport articles. I review articles all day, ever since I took my Coordinator role seriously and this airport article has no major structure issues. Otherwise WP:LEAD looks met and there should be no major issues after I do the copyedit work sometime in the next few hours. I would love to feature this in the Portal once it is FA. -Marcusmax (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, I am very much looking forward to this copy edit. Another editor actually requested a copy edit from one of the applicable editors but it never seemed to eventuate. Another concern there may be is the amount of photos. I have no objections to you removing any, or changing any to others at the linked Commonscat. There was a nice terminal map of the airport in the article until only a few days ago, it was deleted as it included nonfree logos. I've contacted the user who made the file and requested one without the nonfree logos but he hasn't responded. Hopefully we can get it back in the article as it would certainly strengthen the FA case. Your praise means a lot to me (as I'm sure it does to the other handful of editors who have worked on this page). Let me know if you need any help whatsoever and I'll be glad to. Mvjs (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did a minor move of the Accidents and incidents, but before I do a copyedit or someone else does, I would advise moving the pictures around like has been done in Chicago Midway International Airport. Put some on the left side and yes some diagrams would be great. -Marcusmax (talk) 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, will do that now. In regards to the terminal diagram, I actually saved a copy of it. Would it be acceptable for me to remove the nonfree images and re-upload it to Wikipedia? Mvjs (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It depends if the diagram is just a standard thing I could make on my computer, that happens to have some groups logo on it then removing the logo would probably work. But, if this diagram is unique and would be real hard for you and me to make, chances are it is also under copyright so no it is still unfree. It is real confusing, any idea where the original source is. -Marcusmax (talk) 01:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The diagram is pretty standard and something pretty easily done in Photoshop by anyone with the knowledge and skills. I've knocked up a quick and dirty non-free logo free version now. Several different versions were uploaded by User:EuroKick which have all been deleted. The user seems to have disappeared as a note on his talk page has gone unanswered. Mvjs (talk) 01:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I would advise uploading it to either here or commons whatever you use, and before posting it in the article let me check it out. -Marcusmax (talk) 01:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What licence should I use, since it actually isn't entirely my own work? Mvjs (talk) 01:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually A few brief comments, I checked the original users talk page and it appears the only reason they were unfree is because he failed to add full source info. Well if it is indeed his work than use the same licence he used. If it belongs to an organization you might want to use the logo licence, as there is a way to use this for diagrams once I find where I saw that. -Marcusmax (talk) 01:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The logos are certainly more pleasing on the eye, so if possible it'd be better to use those. Mvjs (talk) 01:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just checked the deletion log, for the image and it appears he made it himself. However this user appears to have a long history of uploading copyrighted images and claiming he made them. I am going to head over to my commons account and look for a proper lisence tag. -Marcusmax (talk) 01:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, looks like you can't use the logos in the diagram. If I am correct it had airline logos and then the Airport Logo, if this is the case they cannot be used. The Diagram should still work without logos if this user just pasted the logos on it. -Marcusmax (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That is correct, had the airport's logo as well as the applicable airline's logo. I'm about to upload a logo-free image now. Mvjs (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good I'll try to stick around for that. -Marcusmax (talk) 02:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm no Photoshop Pro but I've managed to do it. Is that fine? Ready to put into the article? Mvjs (talk) 02:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looked on google.com.au and google.com images and nothing like it, I would think it is safe to use. this is a pdf of what the airport website's terminal maps look like, you can check to make sure it is not found there. Otherwise go right ahead and post it. Anyway, it is getting late here for me if you plan on doing more today the guys at WP:AVIATION are often there to help. -Marcusmax (talk) 02:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. I'll re-add it to the article now. Looking forward to that copyedit! Mvjs (talk) 02:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Great I will get to the copyedit very soon, I would advise once I do mine you get a 2nd one done. That way all problems you have with cr.1 should be fixed. -Marcusmax (talk) 02:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to put through the FAC now. I think the prose is pretty firm now, as we already had a copyedit before yours. Hopefully the FAC goes well! Thanks for all your help thus far. Mvjs (talk) 23:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you need help with right now, I will be on for at least 4 more hours and will be here to aid with any fixes or WP:ACCESS works. -Marcusmax (talk) 23:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't respond any earlier, was out. Anyway, I've asked a few people if they could do a copyedit of the article, hopefully at least one of them will. I'm just going to implement the rest of the suggestions in the FAC nomination - if you could do any, that'd be great! Otherwise, if you know anyone who copyedits and you could rally them, that'd be fantastic. Mvjs (talk) 04:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's amazing it needs this much copyediting, you'll have to find a real veteran to get all the reviewers want done in one copyedit. Otherwise, I am constantly watching the article and the FAC on my watchlist and will butt in if something goes bad or another large fix is needed. -Marcusmax (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The lasts jobs so far in the nomination I'm pretty sure are fixing any overlinking and implementing the last of Tony's suggestions (the ones at the bottom of the nomination). If you could do either of those, that'd be fantastic. Mvjs (talk) 01:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Mvjs. I'm back from holiday - if you need any help at the page give me a buzz. \ / (talk) 11:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like we were thinking the same thing! If you could do any more copyediting whatsoever or implementing any more suggestions from the nomination, it'd be greatly appreciated. Mvjs (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Launceston Airport
Why has it gone all weird in the passenger stats section? sportsdude (talk) 00:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry. sportsdude (talk) 02:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Federal Airports Corporation
I guess you found this article - now we just need to find the 22 airports they controlled and link them all back to it! Wongm (talk) 08:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep! I'll have a look around. Thanks for your help with the citations on Melbourne Airport, by the way. Mvjs (talk) 08:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit for Melb Airport
I really like the article. Sourcing is immaculate and the English prose lucid, with compressed energy. Outstanding. I'd like to rework the order of the ideas and the sentence breaks in the lead. I'll try to get that done this afternoon. Other sections should be easier and faster, perhaps I'll get those done too. I'm somewhat busy atm, but this article looks very much worth supporting, and I can only see minor, non time consuming possibilities for smoothing. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Fantastic! Looking forward to this very much. Let me know if you need anything. Mvjs (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Some background questions have struck me while tinkering with the lead. Regarding "home base" for various airlines, does Melb airport host the administrative offices of those airlines, hanger their fleets, or both? I'm presuming both, though style would be helped by slightly more specific information. In the same vein, a date for the demise of Ansett would help style and specificity.
 * These points, and any minor changes I've made are all pretty much matters of taste. I think I'm representing fairly standard "fussinesses" in the changes I've suggested, but you can't please all the people all the time. Feel free to revert any bits and pieces or the whole lot if you like.
 * There is a wealth of info in the article, very clearly expressed. Well done to all concerned. I've got more tinkering to do yet, but it's really easy text to work with because it's so good. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 04:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers mate for the work you've done so far. In regards to "home base", it usually simply designates the main airport for the airline, usually housing the majority of the fleet, maintenance, crew, etc. In the US, main hub is usually used because flights operate under the hub and spoke model. Though, I am not certain if Jetstar's administrative offices are actually at the airport or in the city. One thing though, as fresh eyes can make a better determination of this, how do you feel the article sits in terms of the featured article criteria? Do you feel it meets the criteria or still has a way to go prose-wise? Mvjs (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully Tony can be swayed now.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 05:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much YellowMonkey for your brilliant work! Hopefully the article will be up to his expectations. Mvjs (talk) 05:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Spelling
Firefox spell-checker is American English. . . My bad :) -- Flewis (talk) 03:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem mate! Keep up the good work. Mvjs (talk) 03:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Atlas Air
Hi Mvjs,

I would like to see Atlas Air and Air New Zealand Cargo merged and setup to be similar to Our Airline on the Brisbane Airport webpage. Air New Zealand Cargo does not operate its own dedicated freighter aircraft and uses the services of Atlas. Conversely, Atlas Air does not operate scheduled services in a similar fashion to Cargolux, as it leases out its aircraft to airlines such as Emirates and Qantas.

I am proposing Atlas Air be left on the left hand side, with Air New Zealand Cargo being incorporated into the airline box - see what I mean here - http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f56/qantasflyer/?action=view&current=AA.jpg

There is no evidence to that I have come across to suggest Atlas Air operate services to MEL in their own right.

I think the matter needs to be cleared up.

VHOEJ (talk) 09:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks VHOEJ for this note. I wasn't actually certain if ANZ Cargo operated their own metal into the airport or not. Thanks for clearing it up. Traditionally, I would go with your intended suggestion of bulleting ANZ cargo under Atlas Air but I have been made aware that it is WP:AIRPORTS practice to list it like this: Air New Zealand Cargo operated by Atlas Air. I've changed format around to this for Norfolk Air and I'll get around to doing it on SYD and BNE too (bit busy at the moment with the MEL FAC) otherwise feel free to implement it yourself. Sorry if there was any confusion, whenever content is removed without an explanation it's always a bit tedious. Also, are you aware of any other airlines that use Atlas Air metal at the airport? Thanks for bringing this up. Mvjs (talk) 09:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)