User talk:Mwanner/Archive 11

Hi Mwanner
I have been reading the article on Johannes Roothaan and I see that you are credited with the image (Roothaan.jpg). I was wondering if you could tell me where you found the image originally? Thanks very much! Laura (artist@lauradenhertog.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauradenhertog (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your help!
Just popping in to say Thank you, I am much obliged for the information. Laura

Revised Wikipedia requested photographs in Florida
I saw your name at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Photographers. Please consider adding your name to each county category at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Florida in which you take photos. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 06:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Chemung County and Elmira New York articles
Hello Mwanner. I posted a response to your thoughts on the Chamber of Commerce issue on the Chemung County Talk page.

I also wanted to comment on your removal of the content from www.cityofelmira.net on the Elmira, New York article. I did not add the original content, but I did approve the use of the material. I am the Webmaster of the City of Elmira and developed the content for the city website. As the original author, I have given permission for the republication of this information on Wikipedia. I do think the information is useful, but can understand how some may feel it bogs down the article. This is why I did not add the content back to the Elmira, New York article. So my point is - if the information has been removed because of the copyright violation, then there is none and if I need to do something to explicity permit the use of the info, then I can. If the info was removed to streamline the article, then I have no objection to its removal.

Thanks for your consideration on both issues. Souldrifter (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

West Mifflin, Pennsylvania
I did not understand this edit. How wikimetro is spam?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 10:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Adirondack Park Agency logo.jpg
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Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 15:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

referrel to WP:EL
Thanks. I know where the EL policies are, I just don't know what they all are! Offer of help still appreciated. Bob98133 (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks for pulling out vandalism I accidently restored in Mink article! Bob98133 (talk) 13:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Robert_Livingston_(1708-1790).jpg
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Minnie Dole
Thank you for adding to the article! Jrclark (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC) hey how are u doing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.247.53 (talk) 18:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Plattsburgh NY
Why did you delete the link to PARC? Wikipedia uses many commercial links and its far more important than, say, the plattsburgh volunteer fire department. Btw, this is Clay, I grew up in Saranac Lake, I think I talked to you about your contributions to the S.L. entry a while back. Cs302b (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see your point, but its the only webpage (a sad excuse for one, I know) for PARC and does have something to add to the modern history of the town.. At least more than the plattsburgh volunteer fire department's page does. Strangely the PARC entry (more than a mini-stub) doesn't link to it.. I'll check to see if people had the same reservations you did. I'll do a bit of searching around and thinking on this one before putting it or a better example up. Cs302b (talk) 18:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

awesome photos!
I am very curious to know what kind of camera you are using. Keep up the great work! Kingturtle (talk) 20:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

"Crazy as a pet raccoon"
(written by Mwanner on DavidOaks' talkpage) A proverb is "a saying popularly known and repeated, which expresses a truth, based on common sense or the practical experience of humanity." "Crazy as a pet raccoon" gets all of 32 google hits, almost entirely from sources such as blogs, forums, etc. And what is the "practical experience of humanity" encoded in the saying? Compare the roughly 100,000 hits for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" or "a stitch in time saves nine." And given that this is an encyclopedia, why is that phrase preferable to simply saying that raccoons, like other wild animals, don't generally make good pets, as suggested by the laws against ownership in many states? -- Mwanner | Talk 22:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Mwanner. Yes, you'd expect the majority of hits to come from informal sites -- after all, the point is to demonstrate that the phrase is proverbial. You get a lot more hits if you use "as a pet coon;" as is regularly seen in proverbs, there's structural substitution at the phrase-level, so that the attribute is usually "crazy" but also "lazy;" I have heard "mean," but it doesn't appear on the web. "Pet coon" may be substituted for other animals with either metrical similarity or at least isochrony in pronunciation (e.g., "shit-house rat") -- still preserving the basic trope of something wild in a domestic environment. Now, this is just a talk-page explanation, and doesn't belong in the main article (where it would be original research; I'm a folklorist, but I haven't published anything on this particular phrase, nor am I aware that anyne else has). The phrase is part of the lore of the raccoon, which seems to me is proper to an ancyclopedia article. As a comparison, is the identification of snakes with the Judeaeo Christian devil proper? Regards DavidOaks (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * My apologies for lecturing to you on the meaning of "proverb"! By all means, restore it to the article.  I would, however, suggest that it might be better as it's own section, under something like "Expressions using 'Raccoon'", and trotting out your original research-- I think the prohibition on OR has more to do with extreme and/or controversial issues than with smallish, non-controversial points within an article. (I could be wrong, of course, and someone could come along and delete it, but I doubt it.  Doing a whole article on it without sources probably would not work out, though.)  In any case, I think the whole lazy/crazy/mean spectrum is interesting in itself, whereas its less interesting used to suggest that keeping pet raccoons is unwise.  Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 17:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Pike County, Pennsylvania
I see that you added the history section in 2005. It appears to be nearly word for word from http://www.discoverpikepa.com/mre/mre_dtl.aspx?id=1 I'm not sure which came first so I thought I should ask you about it. Americasroof (talk) 01:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I must have meant to go back and rewrite, and lost track.  I have done so now, though it needs more work.  I'll get to it this week-- I think today's rewrite is enough to technically avoid a copyright issue.  Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 13:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I appreciate your quick response as well as the other umpteen thousand edits you've done. It's hard to imagine keeping up that same level of energy of 4+ years!  I wandered into Pike County as we are having a convention there.  There's not as much in the history of the county on the web as you might expect.  That's how I found the page.  Thanks again! Americasroof (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Belgium
When I first saw these figure change, I wondered why the rankings didn't also change. I thought that was odd and hinted at unreliable. Do you think this was subtle vandalism or just incomplete sourcing. Just curious. This article gets vandalized ALOT--Buster7 (talk) 12:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Photo Needed
Maybe you can help on another related site. We are having a Major impasse at Talk:Dutch(Ethnic Group) about the image to use in the infobox. Please scan the extensive discussion to get a "feel" for what fellow editors would support. Maybe one of your images would fit the bill. Worth a try!--Buster7 (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK, but ...

 * They are different, but related. The Adirondack Cottage Sanitarium was created by Dr. Trudeau; it was a single institution, though comprised of separate cottages on a single campus.  The Cure Cottages of Saranac Lake were created apart from the sanitorium largely to deal with the large numbers of health-seekers who flocked to Saranac Lake as a result of Trudeau's fame. Some were simply additions to existing houses, some were built from the ground up; they were built by local residents, by speculators, by physicians-- they were not an institution, but a phenomenon.


 * You're right that the latter article needs clarification in this regard. Thanks,  -- Mwanner | Talk 15:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I have added a bit to the lede to indicate that there was not a single institution behind the Cottages. The article did say that, indirectly, in the second paragraph of the "Beginnings" section, but by then one could be forgiven for thinking there was an institutional structure involved.  Let me know if you think it needs further clarification?  Thanks, Mwanner | Talk 15:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Improving cites
Hi, thanks for your efforts at citation improvement. Please note that we don't normally flag a source as language=English on the English wikipedia. It's assumed as a default. Thanks,LeadSongDog (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that the diff you provide above conflates six changes, of which mine was the last, unreleated to citations. The user you want is Kgrr, author of this diff.  Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 20:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So sorry! I should have seen that. LeadSongDog (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Survey request
Hi, Mwanner I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions. Thank You, BCproject (talk) 18:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Pond
Hi Mwanner. I only move protected the page following the move vandalism; it was who semi-protected it. I assume he had his reasons, so it's best if you ask him directly. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  15:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The log here. It's currently not in the history because I deleted the redirect. See also my move log for similarly targeted high-profile pages. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  18:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. :) The log itself was still there, but because the only record that appeared in the page history (ǀ*ǀ...A...G...G...E...R??) had been deleted, it looked as if no move had occurred. All the best, PeterSymonds (talk)  18:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

FL nomination of List of NHLs in NY
Hi. Wow, i really like your pic of the island in Lower Saranac Lake on your userpage!

FYI, I nominated List of NHLs in NY for Featured List. Please watch, please feel free to add to discussion at Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York. Cheers, doncram (talk) 23:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

RHP lists in NY
Hey, i am thrilled that you are fixing up various county lists of RHPs in NY. As tallied in a table now at List of RHPs in NY, there are about 5000 RHPs in the state with county lists ranging from having only 13 or so up to 503 in New York County. So far List of Registered Historic Places in Franklin County, New York, which you fixed up, is the biggest one fixed up enough to justify dropping the previous list entries. Fixing them up that way is taking a lot of effort, checking to see if all the previous list entries' pipelinks are copied, and checking whether all other info in the previous lists is fully captured without introducing new errors. Thanks! doncram (talk) 20:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Great that you've gone far with Essex, too. I'm not completely sure whether Delaware and Hudson Depot-Ticonderoga is a legitimate entry for List of Registered Historic Places in Essex County, New York, because it was not part of the Elkman-county-table-generator output (based on NRIS) and I can't find it by any search within NRIS itself.  Elkman's generator is not working right now so i can't check it there right now.  I do see the original entry for it was added to the page by this edit by DTD.  And I see it is listed in NRHP.COM's Essex county list, which was based on NRIS as of a certain date (probably the source for DTD, as NRHP.COM was used a lot back then).  Could it have been delisted?  Perhaps I should add this to the anomalies page, wp:NRIS info issues?


 * About renumbering, it is Sanfranman59 who has a semi-automated way to do renumbering apparently, and he has offered to do any list-article needing it.


 * About low readership numbers, well, 58 hits back in May was low. Or I don't know if they are that low; 58 visits by persons interested in a relatively obscure county's historic sites, when there was not much material available, might not be so bad.  List of NHLs in NY got 2820 hits that month.  With more development, and more links in, yes, there will be some more hits per month, but these will never be high readership.  They will be at the top of Google searches, for the specific places covered, though.  Cheers, doncram (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually i am more with you about keeping it in. You linked to the Port Henry depot document rather than the Ticonderoga one, but i see the Ticonderoga depot document at NYS here.  This is a lot of cumulative evidence that it is an NRHP, and there is little evidence that it is not.  It seems the anomaly is in the Elkman-county-table-generator, to be investigated.  I'm sure that's what will be determined.  Thanks for pointing out the issue so we can sort it out with Elkman! doncram (talk) 00:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) Hey, I keep seeing that you are adding more pics and otherwise improving List of Registered Historic Places in Franklin County, New York and others. I created semi-shortcut List of RHPs in Franklin for that, just now. In Franklin, it looks like you have 51 or so photos of the 68 that would be required to make it one of wp:NRHP's fully illustrated lists. I look forward to its addition to the honor roll at WikiProject National Register of Historic Places.... :) I'm sure there are still some difficult-to-access places on the Franklin list, but at least there are no undisclosed-location archeological sites.  BTW, currently photo for row #20 is same as for #19, which looks like a mistake.  Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, odds are you'll get to Malone, and you'll canoe to that camp on a lake, before anyone else does. :) Yes, i noticed your adding the footnotes.  That's a fine way to go, I guess, although it potentially creates an overwhelming amount of footnotes for the list-article.  Those footnotes should definitely appear in the individual articles about the places, when they are created, of course.  In my view, if there is an article on the individual place already, with such a footnote, then you don't need to footnote the individual summary in the list-article.  The summary is supported by the actual article, which is well supported.  You could provide a footnote to the column title, explaining that the source for the summaries is the various NRHP documents, all available at the New York State website that you can link.  That was my tactic for List of NHLs in NY, anyhow.  See its footnote #4 on the corresponding column-title pointing to the general availability of NHL webpages, but not citing each one.  That tactic has not been contested in the ongoing Featured Article review.  Anyhow, adding the footnotes as you are doing is fine also and is especially helpful for the places that do not yet have articles. doncram (talk) 00:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Neither List of RHPs in Essex nor List of RHPs in Franklin is too big to be a list on its own for reasons of hitting 100k, they are far from that. DanTD and perhaps others are pointing out that List of Registered Historic Places in Suffolk County, New York is overly big, but it has 265 or so RHPs and is 82k or so, which loads slowly for some internet connections.  But others like Daniel Case are preferring to split off towns like Poughkeepsie and Yonkers from their county lists, for other reasons that i don't entirely understand.  And now that you point it out, i count about 66(?) Saranac Lake ones in the two counties, i think more than in either Poughkeepsie or Yonkers.  Those could certainly be put aside in a separate list if you think that would be better.  Perhaps it is weird to have Saranac Lake split into two county lists.  About articles for cure cottages, they can be really short articles, just holding the individual NRHP infoboxes and a link to the separate nomination document for each one, and one or two sentences.  I think that would be better than having red-links. Or, i suppose you could just link from the list-article of RHPs to a section for each one, or for groups of them, in the article on cure cottages.  They don't have to be separate articles, although then you aren't using the available infoboxes and references, but that is okay, too.  I think whichever way you want to go, as long it provides a finished effect without red-links, is probably okay. doncram (talk) 07:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Multiple county for New York Central Railroad Adirondack Division Historic District
Good catch, thanks for pointing it out. You've found another NRIS error: NRIS should identify it in each of the 6 counties, but apparently does not, so the Elkman-generated table only places it in one as well. There are many other multiple county historic districts, such as the Delaware and Hudson Canal, Adirondack Park, and Palisades Interstate Park all in New York State and all NHLs. For these, NRIS lists all the counties and the corresponding Elkman-generated tables catch them all, I believe. See how those are covered in List of NHLs in NY.

I just recorded the NRIS issue for this, crediting you, at wp:NRIS info issues; feel free to modify/expand there. That's to raise with the National Register eventually along with other issues.

For the wikipedia, can you please go ahead and add the needed row into each of the other 5 county tables? Or let me know and i will. You don't have to renumber the tables affected if you don't want to, you can just insert at 32.5 or whatever inbetween number.

About which coordinate to show, well, it is not really wrong to show the given Hamilton county coordinate for the railroad, in the other county tables. It clarifies for readers that the district runs out of the other county, certainly, not a bad thing. I haven't much come across this coordinates issue before, about which coordinates to show in each county, as we are only now really getting into the mapping and checking coordinates. The one similar coordinates situation that i handled recently was for Riverside Park and Drive district that runs from 72nd St to 129th St in NYC, hence appears in both List of Registered Historic Places in Manhattan from 59th to 110th Streets and List of Registered Historic Places in Manhattan above 110th Street. It doesn't bother me that the coords given in both are for a point below 110th Street. I do mention that the district runs above (below) 110th street in the draft description for the below (above) one in the tables. But on the other hand, those two articles are not developed as far as yours is.

Hope this helps, again let me know if you will add the rows at least to other counties. Thanks! doncram (talk) 00:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

coordinates off systematically
See User talk:Doncram, where LeheckaG explains what is going on. I had informed him that many NRIS coordinates were obtained originally by tracing out the locations of places on USGS quadrant maps. In Virginia and some other state files the quadrant maps with the tracings are included in the scanned NRHP nomination documents. He knew that the old quadrant maps themselves are off slightly relative to the current GPS system, which explains a drift. Check out the map of the U.S. showing where in the country there is more or less drift. doncram (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

new peer review for List of NHLs in NY
Perhaps you could comment and watch Peer review/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York/archive2, where i have asked for a new peer review of List of NHLs in NY. I am hoping that low-key discussion can help address issues raised in the FL review that failed, address other issues suggested but not detailed, and otherwise improve the article for FL renom. doncram (talk) 00:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Bad Messages To Me All Of A Sudden
Today I have received these three messages (below). I have only ever made 2 edits. One was a date of an ancestor of mine. Something like 1518 I changed to 1581. And one other about an actor on Gilligan's Island (I think). A couple years ago. Since I am on Dial-Up I doubt my cats could have done all this editing by sitting on my keyboard while I was out of the room. Also, since I am on Dial-Up, I don't have time to go around the system and learn how to send this message to you properly. And I have to also contact the other two. I have never received a message from WIKI before. Now in one day I have three!!! I don't know anything about Progesterone.

Metro Transit

Hi! Out of curiousity, where'd you find the years of construction of the Halifax and Dartmouth III ferries? I couldn't find it anywhere online, and Metro Transit never emailed me back. Ouuplas 05:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Progesterone. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Mwanner | Talk 13:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September 2008

Your recent edit in Rush (band) is considered vandalism and has been undone. Further edits such as these will lead to you being blocked from editing. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18myrtle (talk • contribs)

Oh heavens I'm trying to sign it 18myrtle (talk) 20:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)18myrtle

I just talked to -Fnlayson and you can see further discussion there. Nutshell: I created the 18myrtle account specifically to tell all three of you that you have to dig deeper to find out who is vandalizing your articles. I am not interested in editing. The WIKI messages were sent to my IP address. My notes to all three of you were done after I created an account in order to do so. - Sandy   .... oh yes, sign it ... 18myrtle (talk) 22:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)18myrtle

Cheetah Motorsports
Yeah, I picked up on what you did. The Scooter article was littered with references to Cheetah, not a notable brand... a company that imports no-name scooters from China. I have tagged all the articles as you can now see and I'm watching all the articles. Someone is now logging on under new names to delete the tags. Can we get these articles flagged for removal? 842U (talk) 12:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Wilderness Diarrhea Getting Killed
Mwanner:
 * Dunno, but from some of your Wikipedia work, it seems remotely possible you'd be interested in this. Wilderness Diarrhea is getting merged into Travelers Diarrhea by a couple of zealots who seem to have no concept of outdoor interests.

I get around a lot in the outdoors and rarely treat water, but WD article had some good stuff.


 * After a couple of weeks of calm discussion, I went ballistic and no longer want to participate. Rational voices might help.

These guys have irrationally convinced themselves that WD isn't a legitimate topic for a Wikipedia article.


 * I've pointed out several bomb-proof arguements to no avail. I'd say the strongest is the vast number of published articles that discuss WD as a separate concern from TD. They are both environmental health topics, and obviously the context of each are far different.

Calamitybrook (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Nott Hall pic
Yeah, I had noticed that too, more a function of where I was standing when I took it (I had to wait for some people to get out of the way). I figured I'd correct it later, but I'm glad you beat me to it. Thanks (Do you think I should try to warm it up a bit, too? It's a bit more bluish than I remember it being that morning). Daniel Case (talk) 13:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't exactly remember why that happened. The roof is predominantly a purplish color, and tweaking around the levels and whatnot tended to ruin that so I probably decided to keep it. Perhaps I should put one together with layers and get rid of the noise as well (If I could do that, maybe we're looking at a possible FP candidate since it's an unusual enough building and a rather striking image). But that's not something I will be able to do anytime soon. Daniel Case (talk) 13:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I know they do; that's why I'd be cleaning it up a lot. And thank God for that ... sometimes I think that FP on the English Wikipedia has the highest standards of any featured-content area. Compare the Commons FPC and you'll see what I mean. Daniel Case (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Assistance requested
I realize what I am asking you will not occur until February, but since you live closer to the Lake Placid bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton track than I do, would you mind taking pictures of the FIL World Luge Championships 2009 (February 2-8) and the FIBT World Championships 2009 (February 18-March 1). Both events mentioned will take place at the track. I would like to have these images posted in their respective articles in Wikipedia if you do not mind. Chris (talk) 23:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to forward this to Duke, then do so. If not I will do it tomorrow morning. Thanks. Chris (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Chris (talk) 00:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I may try WikiProject New York State and see if I get some takers on it as well. Chris (talk) 23:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ronduck
Thanks for the welcome you left on my page. Ronduck (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

SLHS
Thanks for updating the H.S. page, I took a glance at their website but didn't think it held much information I could reference. I should've looked closer. I come across, here and there, pages that are basically "This is our club (or church, or community arts program.. etc..) without much verifiable information. Its good you were able to dig some up. Cs302b (talk) 09:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Concern at the Village Pump
I'm concerned about your remarks at WP:Village pump (policy). Please review WP:BITE and WP:AGF and remember how you felt when you were new to wikipedia, and try to keep this in mind when dealing with "spammers" (which he will no doubt interpret as name calling, and not the way you intended). Its better to be wrong 100 times in a row (by assuming good faith) than to singly prevent a newbie from becoming an editor. Hope you'll check out the guidelines and take this opportunity to grow stronger as a wikipedian. I have reviewed your edit history and you have done great work in preventing spam and fixing vandalism, but it may have affected your judgment in dealing with Mike Brieding. Sentriclecub (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in New York
Thanks for adding pics to National Register of Historic Places listings in New York. I went to delete the row numbers, per your suggestion, but then I see/recall that Dutchess, Manhattan, and other counties are subdivided so there are rows 14.1, 14.2, etc. The numbering sorts them into that. There needs to be some more complicated format used so that the Dutchess ones stay together and/or you can get back to that, if you sort by count. Need to find some format examples from some wp:FL Featured Lists, perhaps.

Did you notice this List of RHPs in NY is being discussed somewhat at wt:NRHP? Either way, I appreciate your trying to make it look better. Do let's improve it. To continue, let's talk further at its Talk page.... I'll copy some of this comment to there. Thanks. doncram (talk) 17:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Cabinet Making
I saw you added a link to mission furniture and it got me inspired to add more links to other articles. I noticed that many of the styles of design that I have added to the article do not have their own articles or are stubs. (I think a stub is an article that is just begining). Anyway, I was wondering if you would like to add anything else that you might know about furniture design to the article. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Mwanner, thank you for all of your advice on my talk page. I was wondering what to put on that edit summary page. That really makes sense now. I am going to take a stab at making mission furniture into an article at some point. I think I want to get a little more comfortable first. I tried an article before and someone re-directed is. I see that it takes some effort to do it right. When I am finding the time to get on Wikipedia, I am having fun. Thank you Again for the support! Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Deland FL
Hello. Could you please explain why you deleted the item that I added regarding the filming of the movie Ghost Story on the campus of Stetson University. I went back to add a link to that movie's page and the entry was already gone. In the paragraph above where my entry was there is a very similar entry about an HBO series also being filmed on campus. My entry is just as legitimate as the other one, as Stetson is an integral part of Deland. Dk100 (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding. I'm new at this so just learning the protocol. Do you, and/or other editors, monitor all posts to the site? I think having the entry in both articles wouldn't hurt but I see your point. That section about movies in DeLand could be organized a bit better, maybe I'll give it a shot when I have time.Dk100 (talk) 22:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Harvey Ellis
Just a note about Harvey Ellis -- well done, and if nobody's thanked you lately for your high-quality contributions to wikipedia, let me do that. All best to you. --Lockley (talk) 00:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Adirondack Scenic Railroad
How did you eliminate the contents box o Adirondack Scenic Railroad; there are 4 sections but no contents box. I, Daniel Christensen (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC), have made several pages on which I do not find the contents box necessary, but it appears automatically when there are 4 or more sections. Daniel Christensen (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Robert Louis Stevenson
Answered on my talk page. N p holmes (talk) 16:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Golf Courses
Thank you for your input on Daytona Beach Golf Course. I would like to add some other golf courses located in my area and am working on the info in my Sandbox. I would appreciate your input/feedback before I create new articles. Gamweb (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

license deprecation
I see that some of your images have gone into license deprecation (such as Image:Long Key.jpg). You may way to review your images and update their licenses. Signed, one of your biggest fans, Kingturtle (talk) 14:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Ketchup
Can you head over to Talk:Ketchup, and comment on the discussion I'm having with Zsero? We're at loggerheads over the application of WP:EL. Thank you. Carl.bunderson (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:AdirondackGuide.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:AdirondackGuide.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 17:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. dave pape (talk) 17:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. If you're confident that it's from before 1923 (I didn't feel I could guess the date for sure myself), please retag it as PD-US.  The PD-old license is for photos where the photographer died more than 100 years ago, and there's no information like that at the source site.  --dave pape (talk) 18:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Bridges, rivers and parents
Yeah, I noticed some of your edits in that direction. As far as bridges go, it's policy at the bridges project to use both a parent state-level cat and a lower-level cat. See WP:BRIDGES. The idea is to make the categories easier to navigate for (I guess) someone not familiar with the state in question and its counties (I mean, I can say without reservation that the Mackinac Bridge is in Michigan but I don't know which two counties it connects without clicking on the article).

As for rivers, I don't know why. Perhaps someone just assumed it carried over from WP:BRIDGES. Certainly nothing on the project page supports that. I suppose it also comports with the rationale at WP:SUBCAT. Daniel Case (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, to me, this passage — "For example: all the bridges in Category:Toll bridges in New York and Category:Bridges in New York City will be included in Category:Bridges in New York" — suggests that it would apply to county-level bridge cats in NY as well (although I'm not sure they ever envisioned anything other than an NYC subcat being created at that time). You're right ... let's clarify this on the project talk pages. Daniel Case (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks
Hi Mwanner, Many thanks for your message and very helpful tips on placement of background information. Much appreciated. cheers, Jonathan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathandore (talk • contribs) 13:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Rosenblum
Just curious as to why you took it upon yourself to delete most of the entry on the reference page under my name? After repeated vandalism, I tried to correct it, only to have it vandalized again and again. I was hoping that this would be the end of it, but now I see you have truncated it to next to nothing. I give up. Let it fall where it may, but it is annoying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelrosenblum (talk • contribs) 04:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the bulk of the text from Michael Rosenblum because it had been copied directly from two websites: http://www.rosenblumtv.com/biography.shtml and http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Rosenblum_Michael_15914305.aspx; as this appears to be copyrighted material, it is a violation of that copyright for it to appear on Wikipedia. To be used verbatim, it would need to be released under a free license.  It could be paraphrased, but, as it is not a reliable source, it really shouldn't be used as a basis for an article here at all, which, as Andy Mabbett points out, shouldn't be written by you. -- Mwanner | Talk 12:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Saranac Lake page
I really like a lot of the photos you've taken for the page, but some are out of context or unrelated to the subject at hand. One (which wasn't taken by you) is the Beaver Park image.. I personally don't think its flattering or relevant. The Broadway shot is great, but in demographics? Could we replace, maybe, the Knollwood club image with it? Cs302b (talk) 04:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

11-28-08
Hi Mwanner. I didn't know who wrote the vandalism edit until I discovered it was you. Please refrain from testing on my talk page or you might be blocked from editing. If you think I did vandalize, please point out the edit that was vandalism. Thanks. MH LU talk 00:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's okay. Many people do that in my community. MH  LU talk 14:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

your copyright question
I see that you are into Adirondack - cool! My sister lives there. You asked about copyright. Of course, you realize that your question calls for the legal opinion of a qualified intellectal property lawyer. Since you asked me, it seems you were unable to resolve your question by reading the relevant Wikipedia articles. All I could add to that would be this: the whole idea of copyright is the right of a creator to control what happens to his work. It isn't about money, so it's not correct to assume that something can be used for free if it was found for free on the Internet, or it was open for public display. In your situation, the creator of the work allowed an organization to use a photo for free, but you did not say that the creator gave all rights to the organization. If the organization goes outside the scope of the permission (the "license"), it's asking for trouble. A written agreement would have clarified things, of course, but the fact that the agreement was oral does not give the organization free rein to change the agreement and do whatever it wants with the photo. Now, if you want to know what would happen in court, if push came to shove, you have to talk to a lawyer. I have no idea what courts these days would do, which is of course the ultimate question. We can sit in our armchairs all day and agree about what the law says or does not say, and that organization is free to agree or disagree. But if the creator of the photo wants to stop them from throwing the photo around, and they won't listen to reason, then there's no option but to see what teeth can be put into the discussion. And for that, you need a lawyer, and not just someone like me who has been out of the business for years. I hope this helps you, but if you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Good luck! --Cbdorsett (talk) 06:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)