User talk:Myk Streja/Archives/Archive 3

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Another orphan
Not that I think you don't have anything better to do, but this could really use your copy editing skills: Shocktoberfest. I have added it to one of our lists. Oddjob84 (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Please take this in the spirit intended, but I have to put it into my to-be-done queue (which is remarkably like a honey-do list). I did look at it, and it's gonna be a time-burner. I'm suprised someone hasn't tried to delete it yet. I'll keep watch to make sure it survives. Just so you know, I've been looking at trimming the Six Flags article and integrating any new sources you noted. — Myk Streja  ( aack! ) 19:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I have it on my watchlist as well, and will invest some time trying to reference it. I will leave the copyedit to you.  Which Six Flags article did you mean?  This one Six Flags or this one Six Flags Fright Fest?  Oddjob84 (talk) 20:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Haunted Castle (Six Flags Great Adventure) I've only just gotten started again. — Myk Streja  ( aack! ) 20:20, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I just finished editing the lead for Shocktoberfest, and a Halloween episode of Bones just came on. Is that an omen? They found a headless Redcoat buried in an iron coffin. — Myk Streja  ( aack! ) 21:07, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Groan. Another day, another orphan.  NYC Halloween Haunted House  Oddjob84 (talk) 19:56, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Before I even tried to start on this one, I would chop out nearly everything below the lead. You can tell this one is chronologically challenged. It needs to be more generic without relying on past laurels. We certainly don't need to know so much about the producers. Would you include an article on Disney in the article about the It's A Small World ride?
 * Just did some quick research on the subject. It doesn't appear to have made it past 2010. Personally, I would tag it for deletion as non-notable. Don't even try: Sometimes euthanasia is necessary. If you can't do it, I will. It might deserve mention as one of the first of the extreme houses in Haunted attraction (simulated). — Myk Streja  ( aack! ) 20:50, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with a mention on Haunted attraction (simulated) as one of the first "extreme" houses, which is probably true. Here is a pretty good ref for that mention: .  I'm also fine with AfDing the main article as not notable.  Oddjob84 (talk) 21:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Edited Haunted attraction (simulated) table to reflect changes. Oddjob84 (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * See talk page for NYC Halloween Haunted House. Is it worth changing the article to Vortex Theatre Company?  Oddjob84 (talk) 21:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Uh, no, I don't think so. See talk page for NYC Halloween Haunted House for my answer why. — Myk Streja ( who,me? ) 04:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

On the other hand... I've decided to make the move. — Myk Streja ( who,me? ) 22:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I see you have met Legacypac. I restored the link to Vortex on the list at Haunted attraction (simulated).  Oddjob84 (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did. Not as bad as I expected. He 'thanked' me for a couple of my edits to the Vortex page, I figure I'll drop in every week for a bit and add to the site. I've got other priorities at the moment. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 19:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop the Vortex Theater Company. I can't find any sources to explain why the building was named the Sanford Meisner Theater, especially in light of the fact that on Meisner's official webpage, there is the claim that the only place to ever officially bear his name was the Sanford Meisner Center in LA. Typical New Yorkers. There is no proof of notability. I'm just going to abandon it. Sorry.


 * It wasn't "officially" named, it was an homage. For something that doesn't exist, it sure left a lot of breadcrumbs.  I tried searching on the street address to see what turned up. (None of these are great, but maybe a clue....)             Oddjob84 (talk) 19:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * It existed, there is no doubt of that, and it did leave a trail, but neither the theater nor the company exists now, and it didn't leave enough behind to make it notable, which is a shame. They were off-broadway and made a splash in their own circle, which is fine, but the circle didn't leave an impression. All those references don't give enough information or they point out that the building is currently vacant. I'm not sure what to make of Blackout. I couldn't find a year on the pages. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 20:22, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Wakayama Marina City
Myk, I have been adding images. Please adjust as needed. Thanks. Oddjob84 (talk) 15:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Nicely done. The only thing I did was for insurance against future edits. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 18:01, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, I get it (compared revisions). Thanks.  BTW, I just got a scanner for slides and negatives.  Now I have thousands of images to choose from.  Oddjob84 (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I see that you tested my edit. Are you gonna share those images with WikiMedia?  — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 20:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I already have, to some extent. Go to Wakayama Marina City, take the next-to-last link on the left (WikiMedia Commons), then subcategory Porto Europa.  This is how I release my annoyance when blocked by some fool.  Oddjob84 (talk) 00:26, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * What's this? Two stars to the right and straight on till morning? I followed a picture to WikiMedia, but that just showed the pictures in the article. You'll need to hold my hand to lead me where you want me to go. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 20:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Here's the full URL: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wakayama_Marina_City. From there, use the link to Porto Europa. Or, just use this URL:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Porto_Europa, which will take you straight there.  Oddjob84 (talk) 21:43, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Niiice. You've been around, haven't you. Hmm, come to think of it, you might just live in Japan. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 21:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't, but I did. Oddjob84 (talk) 23:56, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I've added a wikilink to "spiriling fog vortex" in the High Dive section of Porto Europa. It's your fault: you mentioned it and I took advantage of it. — Myk Streja ( who,me? ) 21:08, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I saw it. Of course, no problem. You are perfectly correct. Oddjob84 (talk) 21:16, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Part III
Yes, I'm going with that plan, although I will make some effort at trying to properly source this article. Yes, it is notable; I have even found a couple of newspaper reviews comparing it favorably to Halloween Horror Nights. I have finished rough editing up to about 2008, you are welcome to drop in and massage 2000~2008 at User:Oddjob84/sandbox. RE: Sea World Orlando; note the large number of IP edits. That is their Marketing Department. That's why I don't feel bad about trashing their fluff. RE: Prior AfD discussion: We are pretty much doing what everyone suggested, but apparently did not want to invest the time doing. In particular, I am fixing the NOT DIRECTORY problem, which leapt out as over-the-top. Oddjob84 (talk) 14:51, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I've never seen an AfD which ended in a push like that before. Kinda glad the closer decided to let things stand and that nobody tried to follow through. I saw those IP edits in SeaWorld Orlando. IP Lookup says the prefix 2804 is Rio in Brazil; 2602 is the east coast of Florida; 2a02 is Nuremberg in the center of Germany; 47 is the west coast of Florida; 49 is the south coast of Australia... Nope, no pattern, although the two Florida IPs could be connected.
 * I just looked at the history of Howl-O-Scream. We have an admission of original research from a former employee on March 15, 2015. I removed the unusable (but salacious) content from the sandbox.
 * In the sandbox, I didn't want to remove the content because you'll need to find a way to put it in later: This is from the 2007 entry. If these entries had been added sequentially, this entry would be a fine example of precognition. It might be better to say in 2011 that the "Roaming Hordes" were inspired by... You might want to keep that in mind because after this year, it really will be updated like that. Is an editor likely to go back and update old entries?  — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 22:11, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Good catch on the precognition. Oddjob84 (talk) 23:14, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Oddjob. I do what I can. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 01:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The big edit is done, and just went live on the article page. Feel free to visit and work your magic.  I'm going to try to add more references, which it badly needs.  Oddjob84 (talk) 18:40, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The page move is now complete. Use Howl-O-Scream.  Lets' finish this puppy up, and move on.  Oddjob84 (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the delay. Had to go to the hospital with hypertension and a migraine. Spent overnight. I'm gonna be a bit light on the internet until I feel better. No worries, I'll be around a while longer. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 21:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * That couldn't have been fun. Get well.  No worries on WP, it'll still be here when you feel better.  Oddjob84 (talk) 23:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I saw that. What, did you forget to sign in?  — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 21:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I have been on and off line in short spurts because of too many other things competing for my attention. How are you feeling?  Oddjob84 (talk) 23:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm doing okay now, but the headache worried me. I was supposed to go in for an outpatient surgery, but it was cancelled because of my symptoms. Current diagnosis is I picked up an infection. Time will sort me out soon enough. I'm gonna take another whack at Howl-O-Scream and then add some more to Spinning Tunnel. Turns out the damn things are more complex than I thought. And fun. — Myk Streja ( beep ) 02:19, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Halloween
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse: You might go have a look at Halloween. There's an edit war going on, started a few days ago. It seems to be the Christians versus the pagans. Take a look at the edit history. I know you like a good dustup and have some opinions on this. You will note that I placed a reference, which is very good and is authoritative. Also, as concerns our little corner of the Wiki, see Talk:Halloween, I/we have to make good on that sometime. Oddjob84 (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * As of two hours ago (by this message) the IP user vandalizing the page was banned for 31 hours. No matter good intentions, the user chose to remain anonymous and what was done was vandalism, pure and simple. I'm going to ask for semi-protection for the article so that IP users will be denied editing rights to the article. I've seen some decent IP editors out there, but this one is not one of them. I checked the address: it's a mobile phone from Burnaby, British Columbia, or thereabouts. I'll get back to you after I contact an admin about the protection.  — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 02:02, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S. Hmm, why does that book sound familiar?  — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 02:07, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Get ready, Halloween season is upon us. It'll only get worse.  Oddjob84 (talk) 02:43, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I wonder if there's a Samhain page? Oops, I guess there is! Gee, nobody touched that one. I can't wait for Christmas.


 * The request for protection has been logged. I just checked and the page is protected indefinitely from IP users and 10-day wonders.


 * As for the Haunted Attractions section, all that I can see it needs is an update. The latest ref is for 2008. I'm sure some things have changed. If you'd like, I can take that on (it needs to stay short and vague). I've even created a sandbox for it: Myk Streja/sandbox3. If you got refs to share for that, leave 'em on Myk Streja/sandbox3. If you do, you'll get to break the seal on it. I figure the MoD deserves a mention there and I think the prediction about the peak of Halloween may have been premature. — Myk Streja  ( who,me? ) 03:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, I played in your sand. Oddjob84 (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

(moved discussion to Talk:Halloween)

Section tags on Ted Kaczynski
Hi! I noticed you removed the cleanup tags I put on some sections of Ted Kaczynski without any discussion. That's not appropriate; your rationale (that it was overtagged and that there was a WP:RFC in progress) weren't valid reasons - see WP:WTRMT for a guideline of when it is appropriate to remove tags like those. For the record, I don't consider these tags to be solely connected to the RFC, and even if the RFC closes without a clear consensus I will of course expect the tags to stay while we discuss how to address the numerous serious issues the section has. --Aquillion (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


 * This is the reason I don't get more involved. I get lectured by guys whose claim to fame is longevity on Wikipedia. How about longevity in real life? Seriously, in the middle of a campaign to keep a GA rated article intact, which has already passed review, johnny-jumpups started quoting policy and running around with blackboard erasers in their grubby little paws ... ahem, well, I could be kinder but then I'd be lying. The only reason they got involved is because Eric and Hrodvarsson put in some much needed work, bringing the article closer to FA status, while I kept vandal watch. *BANG* The termites come crawling out of the woodwork, nibbling away ... Okay, my nurse has brought me a cup of warm milk. I think I'll go snuggle with my electric blankey now.  If they spent as much time writing articles as they did mugging defenseless articles...


 * BTW, why was it appropriate to overtag the sections in the first place? Where was the discussion for that? It was done without prior mention in either topic on the talk page. The existing tags was plenty informative. Talk about passive-aggressive. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 05:44, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Don't fix the blame, fix the problem. -Japanese Proverb Or stated another way, if you have time to prowl around placing maintenance tags, why not just solve the problem you found, and forget the tag?  Oddjob84 (talk) 12:54, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the support, but what this guy did is add three tags to an existing tag and inflate the nature of the problem to sway opinion. I did the right thing and called for a consensus. I made my case so now we see what happens. (You can't intervene this time, Odd. Sorry.) — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 19:42, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The content has changed a lot now so this discussion does not have much practical value, but I agree with you on the overtagging issue. It was not necessary considering the active debate on the talk page at the time. Hrodvarsson (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. And thank you for trying to support my take on the sections. I think it's nearly time to apply for FA status for the page, but this storm must pass first. Your work has been essential to that effort. As you could see, I was getting frustrated with the whole thing. Ah, well. Again, thank you. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 19:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem. I agreed with you and would have made similar arguments. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Man, I feel foolish for asking, but what is a "clean up tag". I think I know.  I feel like I set something off on the Unabomber page.  It was just about my first go at contributing.  Page looks great.  Hope all is well  ChicagoEric (talk) 19:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * It's only foolish to not ask. Go to Template_messages/Cleanup to see what that is. Take a little time to read the top part on how to use them properly, then use that as a guideline on how to abuse them. Especially overtagging. I'm sure you've seen the banner at the top of the Unabomber page. That's a cleanup tag or just plain tag. There's another in the section about the Manifesto. That section has changed quite a bit and hopefully the banner there will be gone soon. The Manifesto is what started all this, not you. I found out that there are "tools" that allow editors to see what articles have been edited recently. Some editors use this to push their POV on others... never mind. Just don't take this all too seriously or you'll start ranting like me. If you want an example of pigheaded, look at the talk page, especially the Request for Comment. It got ugly.


 * If you want to see what an article looks like that's been abandoned and then saved, look at Spinning tunnel. Heh, it has a different type of maintenance tag on it. Click on the  tab and scroll down to March 14, 2017. Click on prev then scroll down the page to see a fine example of overtagging. The one about the lead section is just plain silly. The tags take up more room than the original article! And here I go lecturing again.  To sum up, no foolish questions, you are not responsible for those editors swarming, and thanks, I hope all is well with you too.  — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 01:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Merton College, Oxford
Do you think anyone would be mad if I refactored User_talk:Oshwah so that the two sections are one? They're the same name anyhow. — Myk Streja ( beep ) 20:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No, of course I wouldn't- but to be fair, it isn't my page! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  20:42, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't want to bug Oshwah if it was a bad idea to even ask. I figured you'd let me know if it was a bad idea. So, Oshwah, would you mind? — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 21:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Myk Streja - Have at it lol ;-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   00:33, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, Why were you so kind? I wouldn't have cried vandal, but AGF is not in the cards. We know who did that, and he will try at least one more time.  — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 02:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, Myk Streja, what's going on? &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  10:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The IP you reverted in this diff made an edit similar to this diff a couple-three days ago. There was some communicating about it on Oshwah's page at User_talk:Oshwah. I think you saw it. The guy's name was IldertonJ. We might need to semiprotect the article for a week to settle this down. I tried to lighten it up a bit and stay within the source, but you know that there is no pleasing some people. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 17:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes of course, thanks for that. Hummph, well, we don't usually like linking IP addresses to registered editors (a form of outing, I believe?) but since this was clearly an editor who had accidentally forgotten to log-on, you are almost certainly right. Cheers! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  17:39, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, he outed himself by laying claim to the edits in his message to Oshwah. He also declared his COI in the same message. The first IP address is his, but he didn't create the username until he went to the talk page two hours later. The other IP tried it later that afternoon (UTC). One's in Spain, the other Great Britain. I'm guessing they're both students and in contact with each other. If they leave it alone, they're good. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 21:15, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Myk Streja: You're dead right, and I apologize for implying you meant otherwise. So: watch this space, from the west, up the east, eh? &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  22:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Part I
Hi, Myk. I'm back. And I found another orphan. Cutting Edge Haunted House really needs help. I will start on it tomorrow, unless you beat me to it. Oddjob84 (talk) 00:21, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, Welcome back. Get a tan?


 * < > Really?!? The lead is so badly written, it must have been written by the guy that posted it first. The rest looks like a pamphlet advertising the park. Okay, I'll take run at it. This is what I've been working on and defending while you were gone: Thirteen Reasons Why. It looks like we might have reached a consensus at Unabomber, so that'll be out of my hair. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 00:40, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * No tan, Myk. We went to a place called the Desolation Wilderness, at about the 6,500 foot level.  It does get warm in the daytime, but at that altitude you burn very quickly.  Desolation Wilderness is sort of a double negative, isn't it?  It is appropriate though.  There are a few sketchy foot trails, no roads, no cell service, no people.  Nice place.  I looked at Thirteen Reasons Why and Unibomber, both look like they are well in hand.


 * I found Cutting Edge when I got back and had to repair Haunted attraction (simulated). An IP editor had added a house and screwed up the table.  I left him a note on the Talk page.  While trying to verify the Guinness claim in the notes column, I found Cutting Edge as the longest indoor maze, but the other house (Pure Terror Screampark) is claiming the longest outdoor maze, which doesn't show up in a quick search.


 * Nice job thrashing through Cutting Edge. I'll see what I can add today.  Oddjob84 (talk) 13:16, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * A wilderness is anywhere untouched by civilization or allowed to reach that state again, so, the name fits. Thanks for the link, and I can tell you that you will never catch me there, not on purpose anyway. As for Unabomber, another idiot has joined the fray and he's attacking the current main editor (not me) < >


 * I don't know how I missed the IP on Ha(s). Sorry about that. As for the Guinness stuff at Cutting Edge, I removed some text that had dead unrecoverable links to 2009 and 2011. They may have been true but I couldn't prove it. The text was ambiguous too. I may be done with Thirteen Reasons Why. I have to tell you that the whole thing is a bit distressing. I keep wanting to cry for Hannah. So much shit for one so young. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 15:34, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, I have been to Cutting Edge, did some cleanup and found a few references (see Talk). I found one for 2009, but also found three more of the existing references are bad.  Placed a new infobox.  Oddjob84 (talk) 20:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, Myk... there has been an IP editor on Cutting Edge... I know your affinity for a good smackdown. Do you want to do it, or should I?  I'm going to go edit Shocktoberfest, which is another needy child.  I'll be online for a while.  Feel free to join me there, as well.  Oddjob84 (talk) 18:26, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * On my way! — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 21:05, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And I'm back. The guy has only ever made two edits in his career, both on Cutting Edge. The first one was in 2014 and he added citations to the awards section. Not very well, but he tried. I was gentle with him. Or her. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 21:11, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The section titled History is a cut&paste from the official website. I think I trimmed it enough to pass, but it will need a rewrite if I can find the refs. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 21:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I just created the History section from something that was already there, plus some information I got from the official website. That's why I used the primary source reference. I did alter the text, but assumed either you or I would further rewrite it. Here's the actual "cut" from the website (move it to a sandbox if you like).


 * 1991 Patrick Konopelski along with family and friends create a simple Haunted Hayride called Maniac Mountain.
 * 1994	The hayride changed its name to Field of Screams.
 * 1997 A second attraction was added called The Toxic Asylum Haunted House.
 * 1997	Events name was changed to Shocktoberfest to convey that it was a much larger event and not just a hayride.
 * 1998	Shocktoberfest helps the US Postal Service unveil five new postage stamps honoring Frankenstein, Wolf man, the Mummy, and Phantom of the Opera. The stamps also had an exclusive Shocktoberfest cancelation mark in the shape of skull.
 * 2000	The first sound stage was built on the hayride called Shocker’s Den which contained large scale animatronics. These drive-through buildings gave the creative team the ability to control 100% of the environment allowing them to manipulate all aspects of the show. These buildings are controlled by the same technology used at major theme parks allowing the identical show to repeat every two minutes.
 * 2001	Introduced the RIP Pass one of the first express pass systems in the haunt industry.
 * 2001	Designed and built the Biochemical Plant a $100,000 scene on the hayride featuring a two story custom built animatronic mother worm and eight of her babies. The scene only lasts 2 minutes. This level of investment was unheard of at the time and began to set the bar in haunted hayrides.
 * 2002	Introduced the Water Treatment Station to the haunted hayride that featured a massive hydraulic system large enough to move a full wagon that simulates the earth shaking.
 * 2002	Construction of the Prison of the Dead mega haunt began.
 * 2003	Off season and off location, the design team at Shocktoberfest created a laser shooting horror dark ride on the Wildwood Boardwalk called Zombie World.
 * 2004	The Prison of the Dead was unveiled. Two years in the making, Shocktoberfest’s designers and builders created the massive 50,000 sq. ft. Prison of the Dead haunted house compound making it one of the largest haunted houses on the East Coast. (Most haunted houses are 2,500 sq. ft. to 5,000 sq. ft.)
 * 2005	The Toxic Asylum was upgraded and transformed into the Toxic Asylum 3D Extreme. This very unique Haunted House was painted utilizing ultra violet paint giving the illusion of 3D when guests wore special 3D glasses. While there were other haunted houses using this technique, the experience was mostly paint on flat walls. What made this new attraction so unique was it was actually a three dimensional haunted house painted 100% in 3D UV paint!
 * 2006	Shocktoberfest is selected as one of the Top 13 Haunted Attractions in the Country by Haunt World Magazine.
 * 2007 Our haunted night club called Club Shock was introduced.
 * 2007	Created TXT2 Scream and iScare U mobile apps that allowed our customers to scare other customers by controlling animatronics with their mobile devices.
 * 2009	Shocktoberfest was voted #1 Must See Haunted Attraction in America by Haunted Attraction Magazine
 * 2010	Chosen by the Travel Channel as one of the Scariest Places on Earth.
 * 2011	Created the Unknown Haunted House that utilizes our proprietary 3D video technology that interacts seamlessly with real world environments.
 * 2011	Following the lead of major amusement parks, Shocktoberfest built Pre-Show buildings that allows customers to be fully immersed with the back story of our attractions.
 * 2012	Shocktoberfest was the first Haunted Scream Park to create The Zombie Mud Run, an obstacle course mud run that incorporates zombies chasing you as they attempt to infect you with the living dead virus.
 * 2013	Shocktoberfest was selected as Top Choice Haunted Attraction by Fright Times Magazine
 * 2013	Created the Zombie Experience where customers get transformed into a zombie and are taken to the Prison of the Dead to scare other customers. The only attraction of its kind.
 * 2013	Voted Hayride of the Year by Frighttour.com
 * 2013 Created the Naked and Scared Challenge Extreme Haunted House Experience. The first haunted house to ever allow guests the choice to experience a haunted house totally nude or prude (wearing nothing but their underwear). This was recognized on all major news outlets, TV networks, radio stations and in countries all over the world.
 * 2013	One of the Haunted Attractions featured in Time Magazine.
 * 2014	Created one of the first haunted hayrides that incorporated an option to shoot live Zombies with paintballs within the traditional haunted hayride experience.
 * 2014	Introduced another Shocktoberfest first: The Zombie Night Run to Shocktoberfest’s lineup of attractions that allows guests to run the one mile hayride trail trying to survive the attacking zombies.
 * 2014	Voted Hayride of the Year by Frighttour.com
 * 2015	Voted Third Best Extreme Haunted Attraction by USA Today
 * 2015	Voted Hayride of the Year by Frighttour.com
 * 2015	Ranked as One of the Spookiest Haunted Houses in Philadelphia – Philadelphia Magazine. 5 Poo’s out of 5 on the Scare-O-Meter.
 * 2015	Designed the Prison of the Dead Escape an escape room experience. Shocktoberfest was one of the first haunted attractions to incorporate an escape room inside a haunted house. Even more impressive, this escape room actually encompasses 8 rooms!
 * 2015	Shocktoberfest was transformed into Zombie World, a zombie theme park.
 * 2015	Rated One of America's Top Haunts in the Country by the Haunted Attraction Association.
 * 2016	Created Ground Assault: Zombie Laser Tag, one of the first ever Laser Tag experience operated on a scream park that allows customers to shoot each other and zombies. Even more impressive, it utilizes state of the art tactical laser guns that communicate using Wi-Fi thereby eliminating any wires or vests.
 * 2016 One of America’s Favorite Haunted Attractions by Americasfavoritehauntedattractions.com
 * 2016	YorkFrightReviewSquad.com Rated Shocktoberfest 9 out of 10.
 * 2016	Shocktober Music Fest is created featuring an all day music festival with an extensive line up of 8 bands.
 * 2016 Unveils upscale food options with the creation of Shocktober Feast and Shocker’s Café which offers culinary delights from Fat Jack’s BBQ, Jump in the Boat Seafood, Flava Fries, Warm your Tummy Coffee, & Death by Desserts, all inspired by today’s very popular Food Truck cuisine.
 * 2016 Inducted into the Haunt Rater's Association Hall of Scares.
 * 2016 Rated One of America's Top Haunts in the Country by the Haunted Attraction Association.
 * 2017 Introduces BlackOut and The Hooded Hayride. The first hayride of its kind anywhere in the world!

Oddjob84 (talk) 22:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Part II

 * Oops, sorry... I conflated Cutting Edge with Shocktoberfest. It was Shocktoberfest History I worked on, all I did to Cutting Edge was change the title of the section and add a reference.  Oddjob84 (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I figured out the conflation pretty quick. Plenty to work with if we can source it. I've been researching the Half Acre of Hell for Cutting Edge. Gonna be tough tying it in, but I think I found the meat plant. The Half Acre was Fort Worth's redzone back in the late 1800s.


 * I'm going in for surgery Friday morning. I lost half my left foot to frostbite and gangrene and they're supposed to finish closing things off. I may be out for a few days. I'll give you a holler when I get back. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 02:48, 25 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Relax and get well. We'll all be here when you get back.  I remember you mentioned a handicap early on, but I didn't want to pry, so I left it.  I didn't realize it was relatively recent.  Do make a speedy recovery; I hope this issue is something which doesn't slow you down too much in the end.  Best wishes.  Oddjob84 (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, but unfortunately someone screwed up my meds and the surgery had to be cancelled. I' ll try not to take out my frustration on anyone here, but you know how that goes. Maybe I'll go beat up on Cutting Edge for a while. That should help. I'm off to check my watchlist for vandals. Back in the morning. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 03:10, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear about the cancellation. You would probably like to have been done with it.  I placed WikiProject Amusement Park banners on the talk pages of Cutting Edge and Shocktoberfest.  An editor visited and populated both with "stub" and "low importance" ratings.  While I agree with the "low importance" part, and they will probably never rise above that, I would question "stub".  The stubs I have seen are much worse.  However, we might as well see what we can accomplish with them, and then get them re-rated or re-rate them ourselves.  I will probably proceed with Shocktoberfest this afternoon.  You are welcome to take a pass through it tonight if you are around.  Oddjob84 (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm guessing since you dropped out of sight, they rescheduled your surgery. If so, get well. I will be gone a few days, I'll talk to you later. BTW, if you get a chance, please look in on this: User talk:Elisfkc/Archive 4.

A Dobos torte for you!
(moved to userpage)

WP:Copying within Wikipedia
Attribution in an edit summary and/or the talk page is customry. And good form. Cheers. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:54, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * 7&6=thirteen First you give me Wikilove, then you reprimand me? I am fully aware that an edit summary is customary, and I have my preference set so that I can't close out the edit window without entering an edit summary.


 * Please tell me why I got the torte, and then give me an example for the unaccepted reprimand. If I made a mistake, I need to know where it is. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 19:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Please, a correction. No reprimand was intended.  We all can learn and improve if we are given direction.  This is a big encyclopedia, and we all can learn, and we all run afoul of mores and folkways, even though we are well-intended.
 * FYI, you added the butterfly. It came from somewhere.  I copied it from someone else, and maybe you copied it from me.   You would know.
 * Please accept this in the benevolent spirit in which it is intended. Cheers.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:05, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * FYI, I encountered some of your work (and your User page, and thought you deserved some appreciation. One of my pet peeves is that we Wikipedians are close-fisted with positive reinforcement, and tend to use reprimands and punishment.  IMO, it is one of the root causes of our editor retention problem.  So take it all in good spirits and well-wishes.  Bon ami!  {:>{)>  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * 7&6=thirteen Doh! < > I had that code stashed in a doc file. I don't remember where I got it from but seeing it on your page reminded me, so... I guess I could have said it was you, but I know it wasn't (your page is fascinating and I got lost following links). I was sure I had copied content from somewhere and used it in an article and forgot the attribution. I glad that wasn't the case.


 * As for the torte, thank you. I'll give it a place of honor on my userpage beneath my barnstar. For my part, I tend to hit the thank link when I see an editor make a good edit. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 03:25, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * As I said, I borrowed the butterfly, too. Sorry for any untoward assumptions by me; coincidences happen.  Keep up the good work.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎</b>) 12:05, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Batman
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Halloween Orphans, the Epic
In an effort to make sure we had covered all the Wikilinks needed on Haunted attraction (simulated), I ran a search to find attractions which should be on our tables. Needless to say, I found some; a couple good, several bad, and one or two ugly. I have placed all of them in the tables or the article, but several really need rescue. I will be gone a few days, but if you get a chance, you might start on them if you are inclined. Oddjob84 (talk) 18:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

>>>>Orphans moved to my talk page<<<< Oddjob84 (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Because of my current medical issues which are becoming a pain in the ass, I will be taking time off for a bit to get my sh- stuff together and clear my head. I hate doctors. — Myk Streja  ( beep ) 20:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries. See you when you feel better.  Get Well.  (By the way, I'm back).  Oddjob84 (talk) 16:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Recent Years
I will try to answer your question here, if I can. There is far too much disruption at that talk page. Basically, there is a rule with the effect of policy which says that there have to be nine non-English Wikipedia articles at the time of the subject's death. More were created after news of his death, bringing it up to about fifteen last time I looked. There are those (myself included) who believe that this is not only cumbersome, but makes English Wikipedia's content dependent upon how complete other-language Wikipedias are. I hope this information helps - Happy Editing!  Scr ★ pIron IV 15:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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